House passes health care bill on 220-215 vote

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.
And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

This is ridiculous. Get sober or take a valium before you come on line. What an emotional trainwreck.

fired up and ready togo wrote:

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If you're rushed to an ER in a semi-conscious state as a result of an auto accident or any other life threatening event do you really want the doc to find out if you have insurance BEFORE he treats you? You'll be dead by the time he locates all the info.
I don't know of any ER/physician who would refuse to treat someone after a serious accident (or anything else) because they couldn't locate their insurance card. They pledge the Hippocratic Oath and cannot refuse treatment because of a citizenship issue.

So in other words those your heart bleeds for already recieve the healthcare they are unwilling to pay for and this Obamacare is un-necessary?

Non Sequitor wrote:

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This is ridiculous. Get sober or take a valium before you come on line. What an emotional trainwreck.

Not my fault you refuse to see how the lack of healthcare costs everyone either through taxes of insurance premiums. Interesting you couldn't debunk the logic or the FACT the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.
And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

fired up and ready togo wrote:

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If you're rushed to an ER in a semi-conscious state as a result of an auto accident or any other life threatening event do you really want the doc to find out if you have insurance BEFORE he treats you? You'll be dead by the time he locates all the info.
I don't know of any ER/physician who would refuse to treat someone after a serious accident (or anything else) because they couldn't locate their insurance card. They pledge the Hippocratic Oath and cannot refuse treatment because of a citizenship issue.

Additionally if we were talking about collision/comp insurance, after the wreck, there is a free market. If you have no insurance you can shop around for the body shop you want to use, if you can't afford to fix the car but it is still road worthy, you can still drive it. If you have the ability, you can fix it yourself. Pretty damn hard itf yo suffer a broken arm.

There's not a damn thing about healthcare that is 'free market.'

Chicago Guy wrote:

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Wouldn't it be nice if people were as self-motivated and clever as you. I mean, if only they would follow your advice, then EVERYBODY in America would have a great job, an advanced degree, and would probably earn $100K a year! People like:
fast food employees
ditch diggers
gardeners
fruit pickers
window washers
house painters
I mean, if we ALL just showed a little moxie, we'd ALL be rich enough to support healthcare, right????
What a genius you are!

ChicagoGuy, you should be happy with yourself, no matter what you do or are. Bur, you should also live within your means. I know some(house painters) that make some pretty good money. The others, I can't comment on. But, again ChicagoGuy, BE GLAD!

I went to one of those Govt health clinic with a friend to take his wife lunch. Bless their hearts , from what I witnessed those nurses and the recepitionist were working their butts off and moving people in and out , A top of the line staff , I was Impressed compared to some of the places I go with my great insurance . But I do have to admit it, even thou I hate to admit it but the people there that were the rudest and letting their kids run wild causing more stress on folks waiting to be seen and staff were the people that didn't speak any English. We need to fix this , Im not busting my butt for immirgrant rights for this. Theirs still too much Euro Blood in some of our people and we need to let the Mexican Flu run its course.

Chicago Guy -
Or that they never have an illness that is now a pre-existing condition that makes it impossible to get insurance.

Of lose that job and try to buy the insurance out of their unemployment check. Or be a stupid young kid who knows he is invisible and is in an accident.

Or the young college student who has 'outgrown' her parents insurance and is getting through school on loans and part time job and is shot while exercising or beaten while being raped.

But I know the only reason people don't have insurance is because they choose to spend their meager earnings on 52" big screens and welfare Cadillac. Druggie and the other hate merchants tell me so on 800+ radio station 24/7.

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Not my fault you refuse to see how the lack of healthcare costs everyone either through taxes of insurance premiums. Interesting you couldn't debunk the logic or the FACT the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.
The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.
And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

"medial expenses"?? Would those be average expenses?

PlacitassRoy, you are the most brainwashed individual ever to post on Topix. Your cracker barrel philosophies, poor analogies, incorrect metaphors, horrible spelling skills (medial???), hate for anyone not of your ideology, hypocrisy, and outright lies are unmatched.

Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?

Did your Congressman/Congresswoman vote for the health care bill?

Here is the list of those who voted 'Aye":
Vote these stinking socialist bums out.

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baldwin
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boswell
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Cao
Capps
Capuano
Cardoza
Carnahan
Carney
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Chu
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly (VA)
Conyers
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Courtney
Crowley
Cuellar
Cummings
Dahlkemper
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly (IN)
Doyle
Driehaus
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Ellsworth
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Foster
Frank (MA)
Fudge
Garamendi
Giffords
Gonzalez
Grayson
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Hall (NY)
Halvorson
Hare
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Heinrich
Higgins
Hill
Himes
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kagen
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kilroy
Kind
Kirkpatrick (AZ)
Klein (FL)
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee (CA)
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Luján
Lynch
Maffei
Maloney
Markey (MA)
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McNerney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mitchell
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murtha
Nadler (NY)
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor (AZ)
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Perriello
Peters
Pingree (ME)
Polis (CO)
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Quigley
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Richardson
Rodriguez
Rothman (NJ)
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schauer
Schiff
Schrader
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stark
Stupak
Sutton
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Titus
Tonko
Towns
Tsongas
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth

Say bye bye to your cushy jobs.

Just a little factoid:
'NO' VOTES ON HEALTH CARE BILL RECEIVED $2.3 MILLION MORE FROM HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY

Members of Congress who noted "no" on health care reform legislation late Saturday night have received $2.3 million more in campaign donations from health insurance interests than those who voted in favor of the legislation to overhaul of the nation's health care system, according to an analysis released by a coalition of campaign reform groups.

jimbob wrote:

<quoted text>"medial expenses"?? Would those be average expenses?
PlacitassRoy, you are the most brainwashed individual ever to post on Topix. Your **** barrel philosophies, poor analogies, incorrect metaphors, horrible spelling skills (medial???), hate for anyone not of your ideology, hypocrisy, and outright lies are unmatched.
Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?

Nope he is simply a m o r o n.

jimbob wrote:

<quoted text>"medial expenses"?? Would those be average expenses?
PlacitassRoy, you are the most brainwashed individual ever to post on Topix. Your cracker barrel philosophies, poor analogies, incorrect metaphors, horrible spelling skills (medial???), hate for anyone not of your ideology, hypocrisy, and outright lies are unmatched.
Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?

Gee - thanks for catching that. The corrected is below.

"Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? " Not one friggin' bit.

"Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?" Not a friggin' bit.

And of course you can't debunk the comment.

Here it is revised. Does that pass the grammar and spelling test?

Not my fault you refuse to see how the lack of healthcare costs everyone either through taxes of insurance premiums. Interesting you couldn't debunk the logic or the FACT the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.

And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medical insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

Bird wrote:

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So in other words those your heart bleeds for already recieve the healthcare they are unwilling to pay for and this Obamacare is un-necessary?

My heart bleeds for no one accept our AMERICAN citizens who lost their health insurance because they lost their jobs or cannot afford to pay for HI for any number of reasons.
Get real here and stop talking in circles.
This is the crux of the matter and issue at hand.

PlacitasRoy wrote:

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Gee - thanks for catching that. The corrected is below.
"Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? " Not one friggin' bit.
"Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?" Not a friggin' bit.
And of course you can't debunk the comment.
Here it is revised. Does that pass the grammar and spelling test?
Not my fault you refuse to see how the lack of healthcare costs everyone either through taxes of insurance premiums. Interesting you couldn't debunk the logic or the FACT the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.
The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.
And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medical insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

"Does that pass the grammar and spelling test?" Nope, you still screwed it up. So either keep posting your drivel until you get all the words spelled correctly or continue looking like the m0r0n that you are. The Vegas oddsmakers are putting 10:1 odds on the latter over the former.

Bird wrote:

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So in other words those your heart bleeds for already recieve the healthcare they are unwilling to pay for and this Obamacare is un-necessary?

BTW, WE are the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28 industrialized nations have single payer universal health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer universal health care system like President Clinton proposed for the United States.
Even Iraq has free health care.

fired up and ready togo wrote:

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BTW, WE are the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28 industrialized nations have single payer universal health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer universal health care system like President Clinton proposed for the United States.
Even Iraq has free health care.

These country's do have health care, but, why do they come here to the US when they are in need of medical attenrion??????????

jimbob wrote:

<quoted text>"Does that pass the grammar and spelling test?" Nope, you still screwed it up. So either keep posting your drivel until you get all the words spelled correctly or continue looking like the m0r0n that you are. The Vegas oddsmakers are putting 10:1 odds on the latter over the former.

You forgot to point the mistake out and I can't find it without your help. The spellchecker only flagged healthcare which is used frequently with that spelling. The only other one was your 'unadmitted.'
So here it is again for your editing pleasure.

Gee - thanks for catching that. The corrected is below.
"Are you still feeling guilty about letting your niece go bankrupt because she didn't share your political views? " Not one friggin' bit.

"Or is it your unadmitted fear of Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy that has you concentrating on the word BANKRUPT?" Not a friggin' bit.

And of course you can't debunk the comment.

Here it is revised. Does that pass the grammar and spelling test?
Not my fault you refuse to see how the lack of healthcare costs everyone either through taxes of insurance premiums. Interesting you couldn't debunk the logic or the FACT the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medial insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

The analogy to auto liability insurance is EXACTLY applicable to health insurance. Everyone who is unable to pay and goes bankrupt, costs everyone in the form of taxes and high insurance premiums.

And it is damn interesting the US is the only country in the industrialized world where medial expenses for even those WITH medical insurance one is the leading cause of bankruptcy.

TRICARE, health care insurance provided to the Military by the Government, is currently "not working", and I can't pick up my perscription.

I wish I was kidding.

Kathy Daw wrote:

<quoted text>These country's do have health care, but, why do they come here to the US when they are in need of medical attenrion??????????

I don't know of any Brit, Swede, German,Frenchman, etc.(name your country) who comes here for health care!

Kathy Daw wrote:

<quoted text>These country's do have health care, but, why do they come here to the US when they are in need of medical attenrion??????????

Even Farrah Fawcett traveled to Germany to be treated for her cancer. Europeans appear to have the latest cancer treatment choices available, albeit somewhat on the alternative end.