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City woman
Saint Paul, MN
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Patricia Gould wrote: City woman,
You don't seem to have a very good opinion of your mother. She couldn't have been what you say because when she conceived life, she did not end it which is what you advocate for others. Do you believe you are more important than anyone else whose life you choose to end or counsel to put an end to? Although, I most certainly disagree with your posts, I am happy your mother was at least pro-life. All you are is a big live lump of cells now, and so what is the difference from when you were first conceived? Oh, you're one of those people who thinks that being pro-choice means you ALWAYS have to choose abortion, huh? I'll have to tell that to all of my friends who are pro-choice moms. And to my mom, who was, is, and always will be pro-choice, although she CHOSE to have several children herself. News flash - being pro-choice means that you think a woman can decide if she wants to bring a pregnancy to term, put her baby up for adoption, or have an abortion. All of those are options for her - she doesn't have to choose abortion. And frankly, I'd hope that more women would avoid getting pregnant in the first place, so they don't have to make that choice. I would never counsel someone to have an abortion, or to make any other choice - that's their decision, not mine and not yours. Being pro-choice means I support the right to choose among all of those options, not that I think someone always has to choose to end a pregnancy.
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City woman
Saint Paul, MN
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Patricia Gould wrote: Thank you for admitting that Planned Parentless and people like you use rape and financial destitution as emotional powers to manipulate others to continue the millions and millions and millions of murders. Are you also suggesting that people should not be emotional as human beings and should not protect others? Nice twisting of my words. I use medical, legal and scientific arguments to form my opinion that an embryo is not a living being; you prefer emotionally manipulative arguments that involve focusing on the handful of late-term abortions and describing them in graphic detail, so that we'll feel sorry for those "babies." It's the pro-life faction that tends to be the most emotional & manipulative on this issue, not the largely rational pro-choicers. Don't know where the 'rape and financial destitution' argument came from...certainly not from anything I said. Sorry to break it to you, but abortion is legal, and it is not murder.
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shoot
United States
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readreliably wrote: <quoted text>
If you google abortiion 9 out of ten sites will be sponsored or orchestrated by pro-life organizations which are clearly biased. As a clinical assistant I have witnessed several early-term abortions, the only kind most abortion clinics provide, and they are no larger then the tip of a pen. The pictures you see on google images are typically miscarraiges or still-borns. I can also say that these women seeking abortions are not killers nor are they pleasantly strolling into the clinic. They are women that come from every walk of life; women who cannot, for whatever reason, handle raising a child. Remember that we need to recognize, as citizens of the United States, that there is a constitutional separation of church and state. The pro-life position pushes a religious agenda. Gee, I know a woman who could easily handle raising her 2 aborted babies. She lived in a nice house, ran a daycare, had 2 children, and so was already a mother. It was "inconvenient", however, because they were her boyfriend's children, and she was not divorced from her husband at the time. I am far from religious, but I recognize convenient murder when I see it. My abhorence of the murder of innocent, helpless, CHOICELESS children has NOTHING to do with religion.
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Peter
Houston, TX
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City woman wrote: <quoted text>
Oh, you're one of those people who thinks that being pro-choice means you ALWAYS have to choose abortion, huh? I'll have to tell that to all of my friends who are pro-choice moms. And to my mom, who was, is, and always will be pro-choice, although she CHOSE to have several children herself.
News flash - being pro-choice means that you think a woman can decide if she wants to bring a pregnancy to term, put her baby up for adoption, or have an abortion. All of those are options for her - she doesn't have to choose abortion. And frankly, I'd hope that more women would avoid getting pregnant in the first place, so they don't have to make that choice. I would never counsel someone to have an abortion, or to make any other choice - that's their decision, not mine and not yours. Being pro-choice means I support the right to choose among all of those options, not that I think someone always has to choose to end a pregnancy. What do you suppose the muslim immigrants you defend think about abortion rights? No problem there, right? How do suppose abortion rights are viewed in the muslim slums of London? Want more of those attitudes here?
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jcf817
Minneapolis, MN
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I love how you people are all-or-nothing when it comes to abortion. Reasonable people suggest that reducing the number of abortions could be achieved by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies...and you completely discard the notion, preferring instead to reiterate your credo. Unfortunately, all you accomplish is to disregard the concept of personal responsibility BEFORE conception. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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City woman
Saint Paul, MN
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Patricia Gould wrote: City woman, Pro-choice moms, now there's an oxymoron. Now, the rest of your post, excluding the statement about your mother, is not funny.
Being pro-choice means that you are pro-death. Killing should never have been allowed to be called a choice. No one, woman or man, has the right to take another's life. If a woman did not want to get pregnant, she should not have done what it takes to become pregnant, and you know what I mean. I think you will now answer what about rape, and so I will answer that ahead of time which answer is that trauma on a baby cannot answer or heal the trauma of the rape victim.
Now, if a woman wants to choose to put up her baby for adoption, that is certainly her choice. A pregnant woman's only choice should be if she wants to keep her baby or put her baby up for adoption. Mother's who had contemplated adoption, after carrying their baby full term, have decided to keep their sweet, little baby afterall.
By your statement, "And frankly, I'd hope that more women would avoid getting pregnant in the first place..." So, who is telling who what they may and may not do? You are!
It is everyone's responsibility to protect unborn citizens. Sigh...it's possible to be pro-choice and still choose to have a child. My mother did, many of my friends who are mothers did, I will probably do it at some point. If you don't understand that basic concept, there's no point in continuing this debate. By saying that I hope more women would use birth control and avoid pregnancy in the first place if they don't want to be pregnant, I'm not telling them what to do, just hoping that they don't find themselves in the difficult position of having to make that CHOICE. Anyone who doesn't want to see abortions happening should be handing out birth control left and right, and making sure it's available to everyone who's sexually active and doesn't want a child. If you oppose birth control, you're helping to produce more abortions. I know that it burns you, but abortion is legal. It's not for you or me to say what another woman should do with her own body. It's a personal decision, and neither of us have any right to tell another woman whether her choice should be to carry the pregnancy to term, to give it up for adoption, or to have an abortion.
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Minneapolis, MN
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"Above my pay grade" What a worthless pile of .......... People are going to vote for a man who cant or wont take a stand on an issue? A man who all out avoids the question as he still holds hope that maybe pro-life people will forget that he ducked the question? This man is attempting to appeal to everyone and he wont take a hard stance on much of anything as he flops left and right on issue after issue and completely avoids answering those pesky "hard" questions entirely. What a fraud.
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major
United States
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Super Wayne wrote: "Above my pay grade"
What a worthless pile of ..........
People are going to vote for a man who cant or wont take a stand on an issue? A man who all out avoids the question as he still holds hope that maybe pro-life people will forget that he ducked the question?
This man is attempting to appeal to everyone and he wont take a hard stance on much of anything as he flops left and right on issue after issue and completely avoids answering those pesky "hard" questions entirely.
What a fraud. Interesting. So you feel you know for certain when human life begins and find it insulting that someone feels that is up to God?
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jcf817
Minneapolis, MN
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Super Wayne wrote: "Above my pay grade"
What a worthless pile of ..........
People are going to vote for a man who cant or wont take a stand on an issue? A man who all out avoids the question as he still holds hope that maybe pro-life people will forget that he ducked the question?
This man is attempting to appeal to everyone and he wont take a hard stance on much of anything as he flops left and right on issue after issue and completely avoids answering those pesky "hard" questions entirely.
What a fraud. Did you bother to even listen to his entire answer...or are you happy to take Fox "News" and Rush Limbergher at their word?
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major
United States
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jcf817 wrote: <quoted text>
Did you bother to even listen to his entire answer...or are you happy to take Fox "News" and Rush Limbergher at their word? I'll take the latter, if you're soliciting bets.
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Madman
Saint Paul, MN
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Patricia Gould wrote: City woman, Pro-choice moms, now there's an oxymoron. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a pro-choice father of three. I respect a woman's right to choose to carry her fetus to term, or not. The mature life-form's rights take precedence over the immature life-form's rights. That said, I strongly argue for carrying to term when anyone I know is faced with that choice. It is mostly young people who have no clue what a blessing Children really are. Of course, some insist that they know better ....
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major
United States
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I sense a lurker with the initials "SW"...
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major
United States
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Madman wrote: <quoted text>
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a pro-choice father of three. I respect a woman's right to choose to carry her fetus to term, or not. The mature life-form's rights take precedence over the immature life-form's rights. Stop being so mature. Didn't I warn you about that? I wonder if any of these folks realizes that 18 percent of US abortions are performed on married women, and that 60 percent are performed on women who have had at least one child.
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Madman
Saint Paul, MN
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major wrote: <quoted text>
Stop being so mature. Didn't I warn you about that?
I wonder if any of these folks realizes that 18 percent of US abortions are performed on married women, and that 60 percent are performed on women who have had at least one child. Haven't you noticed by now that FACTS have no impact on them? They are GOOD, you and I are BAD -- can't allow any inconvenient truths to spoil their vision of Societal Domination!
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major
United States
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Madman wrote: <quoted text>
Haven't you noticed by now that FACTS have no impact on them? They are GOOD, you and I are BAD -- can't allow any inconvenient truths to spoil their vision of Societal Domination! Oh, the facts have plenty of impact on them. They drive them nuts. They gnash and deny, but there's not much they can do when the numbers tell it like it is. It brings me endless joy bursting their little bubbles and seeing them go off the deep end to try and keep fighting it. You're right, though, about their little eliminationist fantasies and disregard for human welfare. Real "rule in hell" types.
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mom
Chicago, IL
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This latest attack by the Right Wing Smear Machine characteristically contains many lies. Many lies. Obama has addressed this subject on his website: factcheck.barackobama.com
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Enough Already
Minneapolis, MN
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Judged:
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Jesus on a rubber crutch! If you don't want an abortion then DON'T have one!
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human too
Minneapolis, MN
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What makes abortion such a difficult, private decision?
Conscience.
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the golden eel
Minneapolis, MN
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major wrote: <quoted text>
It brings me endless joy bursting their little bubbles and seeing them go off the deep end.. You'll have to point out when you've done this, major. I've never seen it. All I've ever gathered from your posts is that you seem to be very bitter.
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City woman
Saint Paul, MN
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major wrote: <quoted text>
Stop being so mature. Didn't I warn you about that?
I wonder if any of these folks realizes that 18 percent of US abortions are performed on married women, and that 60 percent are performed on women who have had at least one child. Not to mention that about 90% of them happen before 12 weeks, not at 35 as they like to pretend.
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