Atheists on the march in America

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

So, is religion based mainly on fear? Or DEALING with fear?

The answer to that is obvious when look at the facial expressions of those who say things like 'Apocalypse' and 'judgment day'- that is, when its not an expression of hate when they say 'you'll burn in hell for an eternity'.

The Heathen wrote:

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Oh... I utter that every time I have an orgasm.

nice, thanks

I now have a vision of god

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Of course, when all else fails, bring out the mighty shield of "Prove God Exists!" with Nine Inch Nails blaring out "God is dead!" in the background.
Atheist would make such great movies, too.
Revised Edition of 300
"Spartans! Tonight, we dine in ... um wait, what would sound cool here? We can't use hell, we don't believe in hell. Hades? NO, that's religious, too. Oblivion! Okay, retake!"
"Tonight, we dine in oblivion!"
"Cut! How can you dine someplace where there is nothing?" asked the director.
Yep, what a blockbuster that would make.
Why do you torture yourself so?

you are amusing

I have wondered why anyone would have an ant farm

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Oh this should be fun!
So please, go ahead and start it off. Give us an example of a "belief set." Got one of your own to share? Or if you want I could provide a template.

fill your boots,

you are a stealth relifitard

lets see what kind of a belief set you can hide behind

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Really? Do you have evidence to support this?

the bible

free - dim wrote:

i guess atheists are supposted to frighten us since they are godless and will do anything to fullfil their aims, but truth is that they pussed out on england motherland and their own religion - our brave u.s. soldiers who have died for God are amoung the most cherished and remembered - even today
http://forum.apan-info.net/spring_01/jpg_lg/0...

well : are you going to line up then?

(dont forget your condoms)

wolverine wrote:

And Atheist Only Beleve What They Are Told By Their GODs...Scientists...Who Admit...They Dont Know ! LOL

how much more honest and moral, to admit to lack of knowledge, than to invent deities to fill the void of the unknown?

Many times faithers arguments are not only stupid, but self-defeating. The fact that they make these arguments and do not see those flaws, speaks volumes about the kind of intellect that is attracted to faith.

wolverine wrote:

And Atheist Only Beleve What They Are Told By Their GODs...Scientists...Who Admit...They Dont Know ! LOL

Your deep seated anger with science marks you as a failed intellect. On the other hand, you are perfectly suited to religion.

free - dim wrote:

i guess atheists are supposted to frighten us since they are godless and will do anything to fullfil their aims, but truth is that they pussed out on england motherland and their own religion - our brave u.s. soldiers who have died for God are amoung the most cherished and remembered - even today
http://forum.apan-info.net/spring_01/jpg_lg/0...

The military has nothing to do with it. Get a life.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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Are you engaging in intellectual dishonesty?
You know damn well the poster made no such claim for ANY theocracy.

He led me to believe he was in agreement with Mr. Fischer's ideas and as he didn't correct me, I assumed I understood him:

According to Bryan Fischer of American Family Assn.,“the only entity that is restrained by the First Amendment is the Congress of the United States.” Thus, he says, it is “constitutionally impossible” for governors, mayors, city council members, or school administrators to violate the First Amendment. Fischer said the “incorporation doctrine”– the idea that the Fourteenth Amendment applied First Amendment protections against state governments, is the “most egregious” example of judicial activism.
So by his definition, a state legislature could declare itself an officially Christian state. Or an officially Baptist or Mormon state. Presumably any public school, city council or state government could require students to attend Christian worship or profess certain religious belief.

I think "The Poster" you're talking about also referred to Hitler when trying to make his case.

Also, Mr.Fischer basically attributed the idea of church-state separation to Adolf Hitler, who he said was the inspiration for the forces of “secular fundamentalism” who are bent on “castrating” the church and bringing America a “bleak, dark, vicious, tyrannical” future. Invoking Hitler is practically commonplace name-calling from the right these days.

I got this from rightwingwatch.com

keltec 9mm wrote:

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I didn't say you lacked morality. If you live in the United States you are the recipient of Christian morality. As the saying goes, "When in Rome do as the Romans do." etc....

This is probably the most bizarre thing you've said so far....
What did the Romans do???Kill Christians???

YukYukYuk wrote:

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This is probably the most bizarre thing you've said so far....
What did the Romans do???Kill Christians???

among a sea of bizarre

NotBuyingIt wrote:

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WOW what a loooong winded avoidance of defining 'god'.
I suspect becuase you already know you can not do so and it be agreed upon by all Christians much less all believers - yet, for some reason you feel compelled to come to an atheism forum and belittle atheists.
Sad.

The original post was not addressed to me. Nor is the argument about the existence of deities. I cannot define God. Nor can you. I never argue about deities, superstitions, or unprovable matters.

That was the point. Those are intellectual dead-ends.

And how have I belittled atheists? No, sir, I am belittling the arguments USED to prejudice, slander, and belittle those that do not share the same views as antitheists. Anyone that reads my post in this forum or any other can clearly see that. I MAY belittle individual posters for their pompous arrogance, for what goes around comes around. More often than not, I am belittled for simply not agreeing with atheists, even though I personally have no problem with them or their stance. I use to be one, after all.

I am specifically concerned with atheists that secretly push their POLITICAL agendas here. Not all have one, but many do.

Try not and jump on the assumption-making bandwagon.

karl44 wrote:

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how much more honest and moral, to admit to lack of knowledge, than to invent deities to fill the void of the unknown?
Many times faithers arguments are not only stupid, but self-defeating. The fact that they make these arguments and do not see those flaws, speaks volumes about the kind of intellect that is attracted to faith.

Intelligence is not a hall mark of religion. I think blind faith is a great description of religious thought. No critical thinking allowed.

NotBuyingIt wrote:

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I am pretty sure thats his point - many call them selves 'christians', but can not agree on what they beleive.
Christianity has become a buffet religion, pick and choose what you want to beleive, ignore the rest - and allow *other* christians to do the same and avoid conflicts - but band together for 'christian' causes.
If you fail to see the hypocrisy in that - you're not looking hard enough.

You're kidding, right? Of course Christians don't agree on what to believe! Catholic dogma lost control 500 years ago. It's a VERY diverse, as it had been before Constantine, as it has now been for centuries.

WHAT moral code do people follow that they don't pick and chose what they agree with or don't agree with?

It would be hypocritical to expect Christians to behave any differently than anyone else when it comes to morality. Do YOU believe that every law ever passed it just? Of course not.

NotBuyingIt wrote:

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The answer to that is obvious when look at the facial expressions of those who say things like 'Apocalypse' and 'judgment day'- that is, when its not an expression of hate when they say 'you'll burn in hell for an eternity'.

Really? You've SEEN this in real life? Show me your survey results of every theists on earth for the last 2000 years ... oh wait ... you can't.

No empirical evidence. So, obviously, it is NOT obvious.

What kind of people do you hang out with anyway? Bad experience?

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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I am specifically concerned with atheists that secretly push their POLITICAL agendas here.

Well then it's not so secret is it? Can you elaborate? Are you talking about the Constitution and Amendments? Are you talking about "Hitler" references? Tell me who's doing it so I can find their posts. Thanks

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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The original post was not addressed to me. Nor is the argument about the existence of deities. I cannot define God. Nor can you.

And I said as much - you can not define.

Sure, I can define *some* god - I am able to use creativity to define a fictional entity.

But the challenge was to define the god *they* believe in.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

I never argue about deities, superstitions, or unprovable matters.

So tell me - what exactly do you propose to discuss in an atheism forum?

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

And how have I belittled atheists? No, sir, I am belittling the arguments USED to prejudice, slander, and belittle those that do not share the same views as antitheists.

Its called discussion when ideas are discussed, and the merist of the ideas are discussed - by pretending to know *in advance* what a movie would be like if redone by an atheist is more than just a little prejudice and prejudice *is* belittlement.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

Anyone that reads my post in this forum or any other can clearly see that. I MAY belittle individual posters for their pompous arrogance, for what goes around comes around. More often than not, I am belittled for simply not agreeing with atheists, even though I personally have no problem with them or their stance. I use to be one, after all.

But I responded to your remarks aimed not any one in particular - nor at anything said in particular - instead was stated toward 'atheists'.

Your wiggling out of that won't work - your posts are there as evidence.

If *you are* belittled, it is for *your* remarks alone. Not your views, but your justifications for them.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

I am specifically concerned with atheists that secretly push their POLITICAL agendas here. Not all have one, but many do.

'secretly'- you mean like defending the constitution to ensure this government does not turn into a theocracy?

Or keeping god out of public schools called 'creationism'- that does NOT explain HOW humans came into existance but can only attempt to give credit to some creator.

THAT secret agenda?

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

Try not and jump on the assumption-making bandwagon.

Yes, please do keep off that band wagon - like assuming *what* a particular atheists thinks simply becuase you *used* to be one.

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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You're kidding, right? Of course Christians don't agree on what to believe! Catholic dogma lost control 500 years ago. It's a VERY diverse, as it had been before Constantine, as it has now been for centuries.
WHAT moral code do people follow that they don't pick and chose what they agree with or don't agree with?
It would be hypocritical to expect Christians to behave any differently than anyone else when it comes to morality. Do YOU believe that every law ever passed it just? Of course not.

I never mentioned 'morality' you have incorrectly superimposed that subject.

It was about what they believe.

We have laws to enforce a common morality, and is moot to the subject at hand.