Atheists on the march in America

There are 20 comments on the Aug 26, 2009, TurkishPress.com story titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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John

United States

#64039 Aug 29, 2012
.....and nothing from Skeptic three years in. Any idiot knows Obama has sent our economy racing to the fiscal cliff. How IA that Democratic budget coming along LOL. Facts just don't matter to rigid ideologues.

As far your nothing. Really?

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
John

United States

#64040 Aug 29, 2012
You make the presupposition that there is no evidence without admitting you do not have the scientifically measurable evidence to support your position of nothing. You have placed limits on what may be limitless. You have placed limits where they need not be. Thus far I have seen no evidence provided by an atheist that would support what is disingenuously called natural mechanisms only. If you think there isn't evidence of design you would be wrong. Admittedly, this can not be proven using your constricting criteria, but nothing in this arena has been proven using this standard. You know this by now. That is why it is so frustrating to the forum when it's pointed out. Judging by the ever-growing anecdotal evidence of this forum overwhelmingly congregated by atheists, atheism is something else entirely. There is a large contingent of antitheists, a portion devoted to secular humanism, and some interplay with other assorted isms. The common denominator is that every single one of these positions is lacking in evidence. The notion that man is the be all end all is flawed in my opinion. Of course you wish to shirk any burden of proof. That's transparent and shows a weak position. Atheism has been co-opted by the new atheist. Much more vocal and commited to breaking down the populace writ large that actually do have a position. I've given more than enough opportunity for atheists to engage in debate that is not circular. The brilliance and weakness of atheism is no accountability. That's why it's not challenging to debate this topic with you loons. Apologies to the few that aren't driven by more than uncertainty. When Reagan debated Gorbachev on our nuclear arsenals each man had a position. If there was a political debate the political atheist would attack the other position and not have to be responsible for one himself. If one football team was atheist and the other was not they would have the ball on offense the whole game. Fumble, and the ball would be returned. This is what you ask for here, but is unacceptable in every other topic. I'm conservative btw. A rational freethinker. I'm sure you are a centrist LOL. What's the mushy middle thought on government size, abortion, tax rates?
If there isn't a position don't bother responding. How is the fence DREW, Curious, Mikey,,,,? You got the post wedged good and deep yet? Stump an antitheist! Ask it what it believes. Still going strong 61,490 plus posts in.
Still nothing about atheism in the atheist forum. No position, no post #. Lies, spin, ad hominem, and boredom.
Waiting for an example of what passes the cut for evidence from atheists. Cowards!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#64041 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
.....and nothing from Skeptic three years in. Any idiot knows Obama has sent our economy racing to the fiscal cliff. How IA that Democratic budget coming along LOL. Facts just don't matter to rigid ideologues.
As far your nothing. Really?
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
No proof of god, the coward returns to spread his creationist neocon crap.

See you next week liar.
John

United States

#64042 Aug 29, 2012
It's sad you have to lie for the things you cherish skeptic. That should be a clue. Still no evidence or accountable position three years into a nothing forum. That's bat shit crazy!

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#64043 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
It's sad you have to lie for the things you cherish skeptic. That should be a clue. Still no evidence or accountable position three years into a nothing forum. That's bat shit crazy!
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
Nice try liar with no proof of god.
John

United States

#64044 Aug 29, 2012
There is more proof of a prime mover than any other possibility. This is an atheism forum. You loons can't even put forth.evidence that meets your criteria. Freethinking just isn't your style. Nice duck for nothing.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. Works every time!

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#64045 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
There is more proof of a prime mover than any other possibility.
A claim that you have been unable to support, since it automatically implies that there is *some* "proof" of a prime mover, and yet you cannot produce anything to support that claim.
John

United States

#64046 Aug 29, 2012
There you don't go again Drew. I'm still waiting for your example of evidence in this arena. Since we disagree on what is evidence define your nothing and we can get on with it. My something vs your ???? I've already exposed that nothing is evidence to you. There must be some other reason you loons have a forum about nothing.

Still stumped huh buddy? At least your among friends. Silly as they are.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#64047 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
I'm still waiting for your example of evidence in this arena.
I gave you an example. You aren't willing to define "the arena", so until you do, you're obviously not going to be happy with any example you're given.
John wrote:
Since we disagree on what is evidence
We do? Tell us what evidence is, John. Oh, right, you don't want to do that. You were given the opportunity numerous times to provide the criteria for evidence, and you ran away quickly each and every time.

You'll do it again. I predict that you cannot give us any criteria for evidence. So you're not interested in any debate, John.

You're just an Internet troll.
John

United States

#64048 Aug 29, 2012
Your example was absurd. Tell the folks what it was LOL. Why are you asking what the arena is three years into this. Face it. You have mo intention of providing evidence. You have no intention of acknowledging the hypocrisy you cling to.

Save the predictions stumpee. I asked a simple question three years ago and am unconcerned with your feeble attempts to avoid accountability. Something from.nothing is illogical. I have submitted my accountable position and am prepared to debate what I think are reasons and evidence for holding such a belief.

You go ahead and argue the meaning of "THE." Unbelievable. Just like your nothing.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.
John

United States

#64049 Aug 29, 2012
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 61,500 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#64050 Aug 29, 2012
I gave you an example. You aren't willing to define "the arena", so until you do, you're obviously not going to be happy with any example you're given.
John wrote:
Your example was absurd. Tell the folks what it was
It was the Eiffel Tower. Tell us why it was "absurd", John?
John wrote:
Why are you asking what the arena is three years into this.
Because you never seem able to define what "the arena" is when asked. I ask you again: Define the arena.

I predict you'll run away.

***

Tell us what evidence is, John. Oh, right, you don't want to do that. You were given the opportunity numerous times to provide the criteria for evidence, and you ran away quickly each and every time.

You'll do it again. I predict that you cannot give us any criteria for evidence. So you're not interested in any debate, John. You're just an Internet troll.
John wrote:
Save the predictions
Why should I save them, John? When I predict that you won't define "the arena", I'm always right. When I predict that you won't tell us what was "absurd" about my example, I'm always right. When I predict that you won't provide any criteria for evidence, I'm always right. When I predict that you'll provide no evidence for your claim, I'm always right.
John wrote:
I have submitted my accountable position
No, John, you haven't. A position is not "accountable" if you're unable to provide any evidence to support it. You're unable. Therefore, your position is not accountable.

Let us know when you're willing to account for it. Until then, you're just another Internet troll.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#64051 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 61,500 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
Evidence of what?
John

Saint Louis, MO

#64052 Aug 29, 2012
Nothing begets nothing Drew. Your attempts to steer the conversation are dull bit revealing.

How do you believe the universe began/always was? Now, I asked that three years ago and you continue to do anything but answer in a relevant way.

Make sure you don't skip steps. Make sure your evidence meets the crieria you hold others to.

Looking forward to more transparent games from you. Still nothing about atheism in the atheism forum. This is more ridiculous but just as nonexistent as an Obama budget.
John

Saint Louis, MO

#64053 Aug 29, 2012
How does Drew quantify evidence? Hmm. For instance what is most/least likely: nothing, something, always was. Show your work Drew. I don't bother with your questions until you answer what I asked for years ago. Not because I can't but because you are avoiding, badly I might add your nothing.

Thanks for nothing bigot. Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. Works every time.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#64054 Aug 29, 2012
1. If god exists, there is evidence of his existence.
2. There is no evidence of his existence.
3. There is no god.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#64055 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
How does Drew quantify evidence? Hmm. For instance what is most/least likely: nothing, something, always was. Show your work Drew. I don't bother with your questions until you answer what I asked for years ago. Not because I can't but because you are avoiding, badly I might add your nothing.
Thanks for nothing bigot. Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. Works every time.
Seems to me it should be, stump john ask him a question. Can you not answer a question yourself?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#64056 Aug 29, 2012
John wrote:
Nothing begets nothing
You've produced nothing. And so what do you expect to beget, John?
John wrote:
How do you believe the universe began/always was?
I don't, John. Scientists are still investigating. At this point, we don't know. I'm making no claim that the Universe began in any particular way or that it has always existed. And because I'm making no claim, no evidence is needed.

Now, you, on the other hand, are making a claim for a "prime mover". You even claim to be "accountable" for that position. But when you are asked for evidence, you go silent. That's not accountability. That's "I've got nothing". We know, John. But you won't admit it.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#64057 Aug 29, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
Can you not answer a question yourself?
John never answers questions. He just posts the same drivel, repeatedly. He is an Internet troll.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#64058 Aug 29, 2012
Stop feeding the trolls.

Without the attention he slowly drops off to about a post every week or so instead of every day.

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