Palin: wrong woman, wrong message - Steinem

BeenThere wrote:

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Point well taken. My guess would be that he is fast-tracking to a good paying job that will support his family faster. He can pick up the education later.
Not that different from the college drop outs who jump to the NFL to make good money, and then return for their education, or the college student who goes hi-tech, forms a dot.com and jumps college.
The high school drop out rate is not admirable. But I've known high school dropouts who dropped out to support ailing parents, and I think they ARE to be admired.
I think this young man is trying to make a good choice for him given his circumstances. I would encourage him then to complete his education as soon as he can.(Not that any of us will ever "complete" our education, since we all can continue to grow and learn.)
I would not condemn him for this choice, but would encourage him to keep on making good choices from this point forward.
With reference to your safe sex comment. Abstinence is even safer. Works whenever it's tried.

And abstinence is not realistic. But practicing SAFE SEX is.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Carrie Dann
*** Obama expands his lead: Three weeks until Election Day, Obama now holds a more than 100-vote lead in NBC's latest electoral map. He's ahead of McCain 264-163, with 111 votes in the Toss-up column. Last week, Obama was up 264-174. Our changes: We moved Missouri from Lean McCain to Toss-up; Oregon and Washington from Lean Obama to Likely Obama; and West Virginia from Likely McCain to Lean McCain. Something's happening in West Virginia -- yes, West Virginia -- because of the economic angst. Obama's been buying a bunch of TV time in markets that bleed into West Virginia, and the numbers have been closing for a time. By the way, political analyst Charlie Cook is moving West Virginia all the way to Toss-up. If that state is on the move, could Arkansas be far behind? Both are states that can show Democratic movement in a bad economic environment.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/1...

proudredneck wrote:

The mantra of ‘Yes, we can’ comes from the desire to ‘change’ the foundation that America was built upon.

No- not to CHANGE the foundation that America was built upon, but to RESTORE that foundation which America was built upon which the current administration has abused and undermined these past 8 years- abuse and undermining that would be even worse under McCain.

Orange County blues wrote:

<quoted text>And abstinence is not realistic. But practicing SAFE SEX is.

yes indeed...'safe sex'...my wife and I pratice often...one man...one woman...married for life.

McCain’s Mortgage Plan Meets Tough Crowd
October 10, 2008 6:15 PM
by Josh Katz
Mounting criticism against Sen. John McCain’s mortgage plan is coming from his Democratic opponents, as well as from Republicans.

Reactions to McCain’s Plan
The reaction to John McCain’s plan to buy up mortgages has not been one of praise. Both Democrats and Republican have joined in on the criticism of the American Homeownership Resurgence Plan that McCain unveiled during Tuesday’s town hall-style presidential debate. Republicans are objecting that the plan frees lenders and borrowers of personal responsibility, while Democrats argue that the essentially liberal endeavor favors Wall Street at the expense of the taxpayer, Politico reports.

The funds for McCain’s plan would most likely come from the $700 billion rescue package. According to The Boston Globe,“That plan allows the Treasury Department to buy bad mortgage-based debt, but not directly from homeowners,” like McCain’s plan.

By Wednesday, the McCain campaign had changed the words of the plan. Although only one sentence was removed from the document, it was a crucial one. The final paragraph of the original plan said that banks and other lenders of mortgages must take a hit if the borrower cannot fully repay the loan.“Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered,” it said. In other words, the government would purchase the mortgages, but at a discounted rate.

But under the new version, the government would pay face value for the mortgages. With home values declining, the government would be usurping the loss that the lenders would have had to pay, placing more burden on taxpayers in the form of $300 billion.

According to his economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain believes that the plan will help homeowners more so than the bailout program approved by Congress last week. But one of the main criticisms of the plan is that it is too vague.

Under the plan, the government would pay off the original loans and provide homeowners with 30-year fixed rate mortgages at about 5 percent. Some experts argue that taxpayers will have to pay more than $300 billion to fund the mortgage shortfalls.

Sen. Obama has attacked McCain’s proposed mortgage plan this week on the campaign trail. At a rally on Thursday morning, Obama said that the plan makes sure "the taxpayers would lose,” CNN reports. At the same time, he argued, lenders would benefit. According to The Boston Globe, he called McCain’s move “erratic;” Obama is in favor of permitting bankruptcy judges to change mortgages.

Obama recently released a campaign video in which a narrator says,“McCain would shift the burden from lenders to taxpayers, guaranteeing a loss of taxpayer money. Who wins? The same lenders that caused the crisis in the first place. Putting bad actors ahead of taxpayers? We can't afford more of the same,” The Washington Post reports.

McCain contends that his plan benefits “Main Street” more than the government bailout does, and he “is hoping the plan will resonate with moderate and undecided voters,” according to CNN.

Link for above

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/...

Orange County blues wrote:

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It would be nice if they had practiced SAFE SEX...

Is there nothing more to "safe sex" than a lubricated balloon?

A teenaged John and Marsha. Overheard recently in the back of the family Lexus...

Oh, Marsha, I’m hot for you. I want you. I want you now.

Oh, John. I want you too, but I’m not sure.

Why? I will protect you.

But, should I give you my heart? Can I trust you with it?

You can trust me. I thought you loved me?

I do. I do love you, John. But my emotions, what if you leave after I have given everything?

Don’t worry. I’ll protect you.

Oh, John. To be so intimate. Heartbeat to heartbeat, soul to soul. To be so.... so... at one!

Yes. That’s what I want to. Deep intimacy, yeah.

But my hopes and dreams, John. Are you the one? Are we to be together forever? Is this more than just a passing fling?

(Heavy breathing continues as clothes come off.)

Yes, my love. You are safe with me.

How can you say that, my love?

Well, you see... I’ve got this microthin piece of latex, and...

(Heavy breathing stops for Marsha. Her eyes, once limpid pools, now turn to steel.)

You call that “protection?”

(John pauses for a long moment...) Debbie, what's your problem?

proudredneck wrote:

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yes indeed...'safe sex'...my wife and I pratice often...one man...one woman...married for life.

Good for you.

Apparently, you are out of touch with unmarried, younger people of today.

It helps to keep in mind that what any of us might think SHOULD be is not necessarily what IS.

To accept what IS means one has to be willing to deal in REALITY as it IS, and not REALITY as you would prefer it to be.

That pit bull with lipstick is Cujo in disguise. Stay on the ice bitch, America does not want you, including your own State, Alaska!

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/553697.html

BeenThere wrote:

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Is there nothing more to "safe sex" than a lubricated balloon?
A teenaged John and Marsha. Overheard recently in the back of the family Lexus...
Oh, Marsha, I’m hot for you. I want you. I want you now.
Oh, John. I want you too, but I’m not sure.
Why? I will protect you.
But, should I give you my heart? Can I trust you with it?
You can trust me. I thought you loved me?
I do. I do love you, John. But my emotions, what if you leave after I have given everything?
Don’t worry. I’ll protect you.
Oh, John. To be so intimate. Heartbeat to heartbeat, soul to soul. To be so.... so... at one!
Yes. That’s what I want to. Deep intimacy, yeah.
But my hopes and dreams, John. Are you the one? Are we to be together forever? Is this more than just a passing fling?
(Heavy breathing continues as clothes come off.)
Yes, my love. You are safe with me.
How can you say that, my love?
Well, you see... I’ve got this microthin piece of latex, and...
(Heavy breathing stops for Marsha. Her eyes, once limpid pools, now turn to steel.)
You call that “protection?”
(John pauses for a long moment...) Debbie, what's your problem?

Oh....okay- so since condoms can be defective and since birth control sometimes fails, let's just do away with all of it- after all, why NOT throw out the baby (NO pun intended) with the bath water?

Let's just all hope that teenagers don't have sex- good luck with that totally unrealistic scenario.

But if they DO have sex, DO get pregnant and/or DO get or spread an STD, let's applaud those CHILDREN who THEN decide to get married but only AFTER quitting high school to first learn a vocation.

And hey- since chemotherapy and radiation sometimes do NOT save a cancer patients life, let's do away with those too- after all, they are not 100% effective for 100% of cancer patients.

Orange County blues wrote:

<quoted text>No- not to CHANGE the foundation that America was built upon, but to RESTORE that foundation which America was built upon which the current administration has abused and undermined these past 8 years- abuse and undermining that would be even worse under McCain.

oh, you mean like the Obama plan to limit the right to own guns...and the Obama plan to take my money and give it to someone else that didnt earn it...the Obama plan to send billions of U.S.Tax money to Africa...the Obama plan to limit 'free speech'...The Obama plan to encourage more Muslims to move to America by the millions...The Obama plan to give 'Reparations' to blacks....

Hummmmmmmmmm....you do indeed have a misconcept of the word...'restore'

Orange County blues wrote:

<quoted text>Good for you.
Apparently, you are out of touch with unmarried, younger people of today.
It helps to keep in mind that what any of us might think SHOULD be is not necessarily what IS.
To accept what IS means one has to be willing to deal in REALITY as it IS, and not REALITY as you would prefer it to be.

Thank you for making my point for me...play with fire expect to get burnt !

Safe Sex = One Man..One Woman..Married to eachother for life and are faithful to one anoher.

God designed and authorized for our good....thank you God for Your wisdom and blessings !

Orange County blues wrote:

<quoted text>Good for you.
Apparently, you are out of touch with unmarried, younger people of today.
It helps to keep in mind that what any of us might think SHOULD be is not necessarily what IS.
To accept what IS means one has to be willing to deal in REALITY as it IS, and not REALITY as you would prefer it to be.

I've said pretty much all I want to say on this topic, so after this post I'll let it drop. But your post is so confusing. You are the one who introduced the concept of what "SHOULD be" when you said they "should have" practice safe sex.

What "IS" is the fact that two teenagers messed around and the girl got pregnant.

What is "REALITY" is that they should both start making smart choices from this point on.

What is "REALITY" is that in less time than it takes to rip open a wrapper and apply a balloon, a teenager can just say, "No." This is not what I want. This is not good for me or you. I will make a better choice. I will be wise right now.

There is always a price for pleasure. With legitimate pleasures the price is paid beforehand. With illegitimate ones, the price is paid after.

Granny wrote:

<quoted text> His white mom died of cancer at age 52...she sent him to live with his grandparents at age 10. His black dad deserted them when Obama was 2...she married another black man (both were muslim) and moved to southeast asia where he lived and went to muslim schools, was listed as muslim on his school records. He referred to his grandmother as a "typical white woman" and he did not become christian until he moved to Chicago after law school. It smells like an agenda to me.

You are wrong again.What are you lying for sport now? His parents met at the University of Hawaii and stayed together only briefly. His father left when Obama was 2 years old, and Barack was raised in Hawaii by his Kansas grandparents, except for a strange and adventurous four-year interlude when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and her second husband. As a teenager at Hawaii’s exclusive Punahou prep school and later as a college student, Obama road tested black rage, but it was never a very good fit. There was none of the crippling psychological legacy of slavery in his family’s past. He was African and American, as opposed to African American.

Granny wrote:

<quoted text> You might have also mentioned that 9/11 was the result of a Democratic president who was not interested in capturing or killing Bin Ladan when the opportunity presented itself. The economy which Dems like to brag was at its best in Dem years was on it's way down when the Republican took office...who by the way, immediately warned of economic crisis if Freddy and Fanny weren't reigned in and regulated (with oversight). And it was the little Dem pres who downsized the military that caused it to be "stretched so thin" during the hunt for Bin Ladan. That is what Dems do best....create the problem and blame the Republicans for the mess. Now their current hero is going to take us furthur toward socialism than FDR ever did and he got us really close. I suspect in 4 years we'll be hanging on the edge of communism and bowing toward Mecca.....or have our heads cut off if we refuse!!

I'd like to introduce you to a friend of mine....Reality.

BeenThere wrote:

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I've said pretty much all I want to say on this topic, so after this post I'll let it drop. But your post is so confusing. You are the one who introduced the concept of what "SHOULD be" when you said they "should have" practice safe sex.
What "IS" is the fact that two teenagers messed around and the girl got pregnant.
What is "REALITY" is that they should both start making smart choices from this point on.
What is "REALITY" is that in less time than it takes to rip open a wrapper and apply a balloon, a teenager can just say, "No." This is not what I want. This is not good for me or you. I will make a better choice. I will be wise right now.
There is always a price for pleasure. With legitimate pleasures the price is paid beforehand. With illegitimate ones, the price is paid after.

Not confusing at all.

IF ANYONE is going to have sex and wants to do ALL they can to avoid an unwanted pregnancy and/or an STD, then SAFE SEX SHOULD be practiced.

I KNOW that is not always the case, but that doesn't weaken or take away from the argument that IF someone is going to have sex and does NOT want to risk a pregnancy or an STD, then they SHOULD practice safe sex.

In an ideal world, ABSTINENCE could be the way to go, but the REALITY is that unmarried people- whether CHILDREN such as Palin's kid and her boyfriend are- or ADULTS- ARE having sex and WILL continue to do so.

Therefore, if one accepts THAT reality, then there shouldn't be a problem in accepting the REALITY that SAFE SEX GREATLY reduces unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

i hate palin wrote:

<quoted text> You are wrong again.What are you lying for sport now? His parents met at the University of Hawaii and stayed together only briefly. His father left when Obama was 2 years old, and Barack was raised in Hawaii by his Kansas grandparents, except for a strange and adventurous four-year interlude when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and her second husband. As a teenager at Hawaii’s exclusive Punahou prep school and later as a college student, Obama road tested black rage, but it was never a very good fit. There was none of the crippling psychological legacy of slavery in his family’s past. He was African and American, as opposed to African American.

LYING is GRANNY's favorite pastime and favorite hobby. It has to be, for it fits right in with the LIES in which she cocoons herself.

BeenThere wrote:

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I've said pretty much all I want to say on this topic, so after this post I'll let it drop. But your post is so confusing. You are the one who introduced the concept of what "SHOULD be" when you said they "should have" practice safe sex.
What "IS" is the fact that two teenagers messed around and the girl got pregnant.
What is "REALITY" is that they should both start making smart choices from this point on.
What is "REALITY" is that in less time than it takes to rip open a wrapper and apply a balloon, a teenager can just say, "No." This is not what I want. This is not good for me or you. I will make a better choice. I will be wise right now.
There is always a price for pleasure. With legitimate pleasures the price is paid beforehand. With illegitimate ones, the price is paid after.

Ummm....my understanding is that Mother Mary was impregnated through her ear. Are you suggesting the distribution of ear ballons? Should she have abstained from listening? You may becide to let the subject drop at this point, like a priest's pants during the Eucharist, but I think I'm just getting started. You can't be Jeffy, you sound like an accountant. An accountant who doesn't get laid a lot, which means you're also not very good with figures.

Granny wrote:

<quoted text> And to think I thought you took pride in staying well informed.....the heads cut off was taken from radical Islamists who suggested that for anyone who talked against Obama. Will I support him? Only in that I will not further defame this country and the people who vote him in by publically criticizing him, demonstating against him in public squares, lie about him, or demonize him.....but if he does things I don't like you can bet I will make my voice known through my representatives in private correspondence. That is how this country intended for my voice to be heard, through my representatives. It was never intended to be and every-man-for-himself public forum. And WHEN he becomes President on Nov 4th, I will be praying hard that this scourge will not be too hard on you and your political-lemming friends who will have brought it upon our country. You, of course, will blame Bush!!

Sanity is not your strong suit.