Georgia Department of Agriculture Finds Big Ag Lobby Made False Claims about HB87

Giovanni wrote:

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Oh so by reading all this comments makes me a stalker? You wish I was your stalker. And who cares if farmers have unlimited access to visas for immigrants? All they're trying to do is to help their families. I bet the veggies you eat are grown by those "cheap slaves" huh.

You wrote: "All they're trying to do is to help their families. I bet the veggies you eat are grown by those "cheap slaves" huh."

Only about 2% of illegal aliens have anything at all to do with crops. And those veggie-picking illegal aliens are pushing out the honest, welcome legal farm workers from south of our border. Illegal aliens are criminals, no matter how many veggies they pick for cheap.

I'd rather pay double for produce than support criminal foreign nationals for any reason. Much of America feels the same way. Your feeble attempt at emotional blackmail goes wasted.

Haha your taxes help immigrants? How the Hell? I've never seen immigrants with food stamps or anything like that, they're ILLEGAL they can't get help from the govt. Think smart next time :).

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The point is, WE DO NOT NEED ILLEGAL ALIENS. Farmers have H-2A visas if they need workers. We care because if they utilized the LEGAL way to bring workers here, they would not be hiring illegal aliens. Are you that dumb so as not to understand the concept?
These people can "help their families" in their own countries. And, if they cannot afford to have children, they need to keep their legs closed and their pants up or learn all about birth control. WE, the taxpayers of the United States, do not need to be paying for these moochers. They are nothing more than interlopers who circumvent our laws. They break our laws. They are criminals.
We have enough of our own homegrown criminals. We do not need to import more, much less illegally so.

Okay Mr. Independent patriot

Independent patriot wrote:

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You wrote: "All they're trying to do is to help their families. I bet the veggies you eat are grown by those "cheap slaves" huh."
Only about 2% of illegal aliens have anything at all to do with crops. And those veggie-picking illegal aliens are pushing out the honest, welcome legal farm workers from south of our border. Illegal aliens are criminals, no matter how many veggies they pick for cheap.
I'd rather pay double for produce than support criminal foreign nationals for any reason. Much of America feels the same way. Your feeble attempt at emotional blackmail goes wasted.

Hmmm, Could HB 87 have something to do with this?

Unemployed Georgians Return to Work Sooner Than National Average
Georgians leave state unemployment insurance benefits for a new job nearly a month sooner than the national average.

http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/unemp...

Giovanni wrote:

Haha your taxes help immigrants? How the Hell? I've never seen immigrants with food stamps or anything like that, they're ILLEGAL they can't get help from the govt. Think smart next time :).
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Better do a little research G. It's been well documented that not only do illegal aliens get food stamps for their American born children (don't tell me the illegals don't eat that food) but many have gotten them through using fraudulent papers.
Google "Utah List"

"One common denominator for many of the people on this list: they sought help from Utah's Department of Workforce Services. A disgruntled state employee there was recently caught on tape venting her outrage about illegal immigrants.

"It's not fair that this family gets food stamps, they get financials, husbands at home, they're dealing drugs," she said."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/leaking-list-1300-pu...

YAKIMA, Wash.(AP)— An illegal immigrant from Yakima has been sentenced to 8 years in prison on federal fraud and immigration charges.
A federal court jury earlier convicted 61-year-old Roman Ceniceros Mora of 42 counts of fraud related to unlawfully getting supplemental security income and food stamps; falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen and making a false statement on an application for a passport.
The Mexican citizen has been deported several times, but has lived in the U.S. for decades.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Ille...

Don't forget to do your research!

Giovanni wrote:

Haha your taxes help immigrants? How the Hell? I've never seen immigrants with food stamps or anything like that, they're ILLEGAL they can't get help from the govt. Think smart next time :).
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If you haven't seen this, then you must live in an isolated cave somewhere in the mountains. All illegal aliens are criminals and some can afford to get really good fake papers.

Almost all of them have anchor babies as fast as they can so they can get welfare for those babies, even though the baby daddy lives with them and brings home lots of money. The trick is that the illegals don't get married and then they lie and say the baby daddy doesn't contribute to the family. They do the very same thing to get free medical care. Most illegals know to work for cash when they can so those earnings aren't recorded anywhere and can't be traced back to them by social services. Duh.

Here's some proof for you:

http://www.nebraska.tv/story/16574356/kan-sla...

Well yeah I agree with your comment. But other than that fake identification doesnt help you get food stamps. Just saying But through their children yes of course

NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:

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Better do a little research G. It's been well documented that not only do illegal aliens get food stamps for their American born children (don't tell me the illegals don't eat that food) but many have gotten them through using fraudulent papers.
Google "Utah List"
"One common denominator for many of the people on this list: they sought help from Utah's Department of Workforce Services. A disgruntled state employee there was recently caught on tape venting her outrage about illegal immigrants.
"It's not fair that this family gets food stamps, they get financials, husbands at home, they're dealing drugs," she said."
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/leaking-list-1300-pu...
YAKIMA, Wash.(AP)— An illegal immigrant from Yakima has been sentenced to 8 years in prison on federal fraud and immigration charges.
A federal court jury earlier convicted 61-year-old Roman Ceniceros Mora of 42 counts of fraud related to unlawfully getting supplemental security income and food stamps; falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen and making a false statement on an application for a passport.
The Mexican citizen has been deported several times, but has lived in the U.S. for decades.
Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Ille...
Don't forget to do your research!

Giovanni wrote:

Well yeah I agree with your comment. But other than that fake identification doesnt help you get food stamps. Just saying But through their children yes of course
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You obviously did not read the articles or do the research. There are numerous cases showing that fraudulent identification (Social Security numbers) have been used to obtain food stamps and to obtain jobs, loans, etc. There are also many American citizens who are spending years and tons of money trying to reclaim their own identities that have been stolen by illegal aliens.
Like I said, do the research G, I've been doing mine for over 7 years.

Oh, and G, they have also used the stolen SS#"s in conjunction with ITIN #'s to obtain earned income credits for tax refunds.

Haha you basically copied "twink"s comment, but you did a little more of research so imma give credit for that. Lol and no I dont wanna live near you :) I'm more into science than politics/govt issues. I know I shouldnt be here but I'm supporting my Latinos friends

Independent patriot wrote:

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If you haven't seen this, then you must live in an isolated cave somewhere in the mountains. All illegal aliens are criminals and some can afford to get really good fake papers.
Almost all of them have anchor babies as fast as they can so they can get welfare for those babies, even though the baby daddy lives with them and brings home lots of money. The trick is that the illegals don't get married and then they lie and say the baby daddy doesn't contribute to the family. They do the very same thing to get free medical care. Most illegals know to work for cash when they can so those earnings aren't recorded anywhere and can't be traced back to them by social services. Duh.
Here's some proof for you:
http://www.nebraska.tv/story/16574356/kan-sla...

I should because I haven't heard of this before lol

NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:

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You obviously did not read the articles or do the research. There are numerous cases showing that fraudulent identification (Social Security numbers) have been used to obtain food stamps and to obtain jobs, loans, etc. There are also many American citizens who are spending years and tons of money trying to reclaim their own identities that have been stolen by illegal aliens.
Like I said, do the research G, I've been doing mine for over 7 years.

Thanks for the info my man

NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:

Oh, and G, they have also used the stolen SS#"s in conjunction with ITIN #'s to obtain earned income credits for tax refunds.

Giovanni wrote:

Thanks for the info my man
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By the way G, I'm not a man, I am a woman.

Executive Summary
Analysis based on current estimates of the illegal alien population residing in Illinois indicates that population costs the state’s taxpayers more than $3.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. That annual tax burden amounts to about $695 per Illinois household headed by a native-born resident. Even if the estimated $465 million in sales, income and property taxes collected from illegal immigrants are subtracted from the fiscal outlays, net costs still amount to more than $3 billion per year.

The three cost areas discussed in this analysis (education, health care and incarceration resulting from illegal immigration) are the major cost areas. They are the same three program areas analyzed in a 1994 study conducted by the Urban Institute, which provides a useful baseline for comparison. Other studies have been conducted in the interim, showing trends that support the conclusions of this report.

Even without accounting for all of the numerous other areas in which costs associated with illegal immigration are being incurred by Illinois taxpayers, the program areas analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.

The more than $3.5 billion in costs incurred by Illinois taxpayers annually result from outlays in the following areas:

Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Illinois and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Illinoisans spend more than $3.1 billion annually on education for the children of illegal immigrants. This estimate does not include programs for limited English students, remedial educational programs or breakfast and lunch programs available to students from low-income families. An estimated 10 percent of the K-12 public school students in Illinois are children of illegal aliens.

Health care. Taxpayer-funded, unreimbursed medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to an estimated $340 million a year.

Incarceration. The uncompensated cost of incarcerating deportable illegal aliens in Illinois state and local prisons amounts to about $55 million a year. This estimate includes only prison costs and not short-term or other detention costs, related law enforcement and judicial expenditures, or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to incarceration.
The fiscal costs of illegal immigration borne by state taxpayers do not end with these three major cost areas. The total local cost of illegal immigration is considerably higher if other cost areas such as preventive health programs, special English instruction, interpretation services in courts and hospitals, welfare programs used by the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers are also calculated.

If illegal immigrants were able to obtain legal work status as currently advocated by the Bush administration, and/or eventual permanent residence and possible citizenship as currently proposed in both houses of Congress, state income tax collections might increase, but this likely would be outweighed by increased use of public services to low-income families. In addition, the possibility for family members of the current illegal alien population to come to the United States to reunite families would increase the size of the poverty and near-poverty population using public services.

Giovanni wrote:

Haha you basically copied "twink"s comment, but you did a little more of research so imma give credit for that. Lol and no I dont wanna live near you :) I'm more into science than politics/govt issues. I know I shouldnt be here but I'm supporting my Latinos friends
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Giovanni wrote:

Haha you basically copied "twink"s comment, but you did a little more of research so imma give credit for that. Lol and no I dont wanna live near you :) I'm more into science than politics/govt issues. I know I shouldnt be here but I'm supporting my Latinos friends
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Must be science fiction you are interested in. I cannot believe that anyone who looks at the issues through logical and unbiased eyes would support illegal immigration. As you said you are supporting your Latino friends. Perhaps if you took a scientific/logical view of the issues and actually did some research on the subject rather than blindly supporting your "Latino friends" you would see the folly of supporting illegal and uncontrolled migration particularly from 3rd world countries.