Two Views in the White House on an Economic Fix

Impeach Bush and keep his hands out of the economy. He has already screwed it up enough.

Well, GW had to spend time with his "oil buddies" before he worries about our economy.
As for the illigals, get em OUT!

These are the candidates who are CFR members

Democrat CFR Candidates:

Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:

Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson

Mike Huckabee is being advised by the Director of the CFR according to a recent statement made by him.

The main, root cause, issues of the 2008 that none of the candidates is talking about (except for Ron Paul) are the following:

1) the united states debt of $9.2 Trillion
2) the unfunded liabilities totaling $60 Trillion (U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO))
3) the monetization of debt (that is, making money out of thin air - Freedom Force International - Welcome)

Unless your candidate talks about these root-cause issues, they are just spouting empty rhetoric.

Please research these issues and the CFR, and how the CFR is selling the US out to the international bankers.

In 2005, CFR co-chair Robert Pastor told Congress, "The best way to secure the US today is not at our two borders with Mexico and Canada, but at the borders of North America as a whole." The CFR task force he headed called for one border around North America, freer travel within it, and cooperation among Canadian, Mexican and American military forces and law enforcement for greater security. It called for full mobility of labor among the three countries within five years, similar to the European Union.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union:

At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action. We welcome this important development and offer this report to add urgency and specific recommendations to strengthen their efforts.

What is the plan? Simple, erase the borders. The plan is contained in a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" little noticed when President Bush and President Fox created it in March 2005:

In March 2005, the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States adopted a Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), establishing ministerial-level working groups to address key security and economic issues facing North America and setting a short deadline for reporting progress back to their governments. President Bush described the significance of the SPP as putting forward a common commitment "to markets and democracy, freedom and trade, and mutual prosperity and security." The policy framework articulated by the three leaders is a significant commitment that will benefit from broad discussion and advice. The Task Force is pleased to provide specific advice on how the partnership can be pursued and realized.

The Iraq war has certainly been costly in terms of lives lost, with thousands of U.S. military personnel dead, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have been killed. Also, the economic costs are far greater than most people imagine, with more than $1 trillion tax dollars spent in the first four years of the war.

One trillion dollars equals $720 million spent each day, or $500,000 per minute. The taxpayer money spent on the war is displacing millions of Iraqis and destroying their hospitals and schools instead of supporting health care, education and housing for people in our own communities. It is time to defund the war and refund human needs in Iraq and the U.S.

It is time to wake up America. Vote for RON PAUL !

walksalone wrote:

Here is Wake Up Call.
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to
many
"friends" of the Clintons.
1-James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an
apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key
witness
in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997
at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after
she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of
Hillary
Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to
the
head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the
investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull
resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being
investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with
prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days
later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund
raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992 (?)
6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director
found
dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by
Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in
the
woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed
Willey
died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton
groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in
several Clinton fund raising events. There are so many more it is nauseating the things that went on

What is nausiating is you lying neo-conservative swift-boat lies and phony inuendos.

What you don't say (lie by ommission) is that every one of these neo-con lies has been investedated (yes) ad nausium.

You are just a filthy, baseless, character-assasinating liar. You have a split halfway down your slimy tongue.

I got a special kick out of #4. Did they shoot him, and crash the plane, or crash the plane and then shoot Brown?

You are a lying nit-wit.

Real Scientist wrote:

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What is nausiating is you lying neo-conservative swift-boat lies and phony inuendos.
What you don't say (lie by ommission) is that every one of these neo-con lies has been investedated (yes) ad nausium.
You are just a filthy, baseless, character-assasinating liar. You have a split halfway down your slimy tongue.
I got a special kick out of #4. Did they shoot him, and crash the plane, or crash the plane and then shoot Brown?
You are a lying nit-wit.

That was a short list of deaths involved, there's alot more, some happened during his tenure as Govenor of Arkansas too. Seems to me that many deaths during his office as Govenor of Arkansas and as President could not just be total coincidence???

Nancy wrote:

<quoted text> That was a short list of deaths involved, there's alot more, some happened during his tenure as Govenor of Arkansas too. Seems to me that many deaths during his office as Govenor of Arkansas and as President could not just be total coincidence???

Between his taking a 7 month vacation before the World Trade Center was destroyed, and his sending US troops inyo a war with no use to or gain for our NATIONAL INTEREST, GW BUSH has more than 7,000 needless US deaths on his dirty soul. Why don't you look at them. They happened. How many tens-of thousands of Iraqis died at Bush's orders?

Was this a coincedence?
Bush's first action, after running and hiding, was to expedite the escape of the remaining suspects from the USA.

Why do you make up phony balony about Clinton, and having had it investigated and found untrue, still make the same accusations. You are just another liar.
Stop lying.

Real Scientist wrote:

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Between his taking a 7 month vacation before the World Trade Center was destroyed, and his sending US troops inyo a war with no use to or gain for our NATIONAL INTEREST, GW BUSH has more than 7,000 needless US deaths on his dirty soul. Why don't you look at them. They happened. How many tens-of thousands of Iraqis died at Bush's orders?
Was this a coincedence?
Bush's first action, after running and hiding, was to expedite the escape of the remaining suspects from the USA.
Why do you make up phony balony about Clinton, and having had it investigated and found untrue, still make the same accusations. You are just another liar.
Stop lying.

Bravo! I agree

Now that he's assurred peace in the middle east, he'll turn the economy right around.
No?

Real Scientist wrote:

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Between his taking a 7 month vacation before the World Trade Center was destroyed, and his sending US troops inyo a war with no use to or gain for our NATIONAL INTEREST, GW BUSH has more than 7,000 needless US deaths on his dirty soul. Why don't you look at them. They happened. How many tens-of thousands of Iraqis died at Bush's orders?
Was this a coincedence?
Bush's first action, after running and hiding, was to expedite the escape of the remaining suspects from the USA.
Why do you make up phony balony about Clinton, and having had it investigated and found untrue, still make the same accusations. You are just another liar.
Stop lying.

To begin with when the President goes on a so called Vacation as you put it, for him it's not a vacationa as we know it, and if you think it is, you are out of your mind!
Secondly if you call trying to keep the terrorists out of our Country not for our National Security that's your opinion, we're all entitled to those. As far as the deaths from the war, when you have war, unfortunately death does comes with them, it's been that way ever since wars existed. The deaths from this war though are far below deaths from some of the other wars we have been in, like Vietman, and I know about war and death cause my husband was in the middle of the Vietnam war.
You beleive what you want about the Clintons, I still say there are far too many deaths to be a coincidence! And if she becomes President and they are in the White House again,you can kiss America as we know it "Goodbye" that's for sure, cause it will never be the same!

Bush's real agenda in the Middle East. Food for thought...

http://www.gregpalast.com/george-of-arabia-be...

this country is at the beggining of a third world country we should feel a shame of our country and our politicians should be jailed for all the corruption thats happening to all the homeless people that lost there homes how do you crooks sleep at nigth

headline: in the investors business daily 1-18-08
BARNAKE AND BUSH BACK SOME STIMULUS AS THE ECONOMY FALTERS
Factory index hits 6 year low
President bush and the Fed chief Ben Bernake on Thursday endorsed a fiscal stimulus to boost the economy as a key factory index sank to its lowest level since the 2001 recession and housing starts dived. Housing starts sank a greater than expected 14% in December to an annual rate of 1.01 million units the lowest since 1991 Starts for all of 2007 dropped 25%, the biggest slide since 1980.
Bernake still isnt predicting a recession in 2008.
This is called "DENIAL" Lets get these idiots OUT ASAP.
And still you all will get some republicans on these threads that will tell us everything is fine.

Nancy wrote:

<quoted text> To begin with when the President goes on a so called Vacation as you put it, for him it's not a vacationa as we know it, and if you think it is, you are out of your mind!
Secondly if you call trying to keep the terrorists out of our Country not for our National Security that's your opinion, we're all entitled to those. As far as the deaths from the war, when you have war, unfortunately death does comes with them, it's been that way ever since wars existed. The deaths from this war though are far below deaths from some of the other wars we have been in, like Vietman, and I know about war and death cause my husband was in the middle of the Vietnam war.
You beleive what you want about the Clintons, I still say there are far too many deaths to be a coincidence! And if she becomes President and they are in the White House again,you can kiss America as we know it "Goodbye" that's for sure, cause it will never be the same!

You are hopelessly numb. Say hi to Sluggo.

Kimbefly wrote:

Bush's real agenda in the Middle East. Food for thought...
http://www.gregpalast.com/george-of-arabia-be...

It is sad that in the face of this reality, these poor dummies allow themselves to be programmed by their right wing TV shows to blame it all on phony stories about the Clintons.

Real Scientist wrote:

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It is sad that in the face of this reality, these poor dummies allow themselves to be programmed by their right wing TV shows to blame it all on phony stories about the Clintons.

It is amazing. The big issues should be energy independence and fiscal policy. Yet you hear very little on these topics. It is clear the current administration is not interested in fixing anything, but I don't have the sense that the others (candidates) even know what the questions are.

Kimbefly wrote:

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It is amazing. The big issues should be energy independence and fiscal policy. Yet you hear very little on these topics. It is clear the current administration is not interested in fixing anything, but I don't have the sense that the others (candidates) even know what the questions are.

Doesn't amaze me.
People elected Bush--now, that amazes me.

Lance - I agree, but that's water under the bridge. That people persist in the same old debunked, irrelevant beliefs is the real kicker.

When I hear anything about the horrible things Clinton did while in office I am reminded of a 45-year-old person who says "I can't help that I'm this way. My mother was mean to me when I was four." There comes a time to just grow up and get on with things.

Real Scientist wrote:

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You are hopelessly numb. Say hi to Sluggo.

I guess I'm hopelessly numb cause I don't believe everything you say and of course cause you get your sources from someplace other than I get mine, so yours automatically must be right! Well I'm not stupid enough to believe everything you say just cause that's what you feel is right, I have my own thoughts and opinions and just cause they don't match yours does not necessarily mean they are wrong! I get my sources from reading the different articles on the sites on the computer, and in the news and on TV just like you do. We read and listen to the info and all one can do is form their own opinions from what sources they have. You have your opinion, I have mine. But I won't lower myself to your level by being insulting, I just won't post to you anymore cause I don't have to listen to your insults.

Kimbefly wrote:

Lance - I agree, but that's water under the bridge. That people persist in the same old debunked, irrelevant beliefs is the real kicker.
When I hear anything about the horrible things Clinton did while in office I am reminded of a 45-year-old person who says "I can't help that I'm this way. My mother was mean to me when I was four." There comes a time to just grow up and get on with things.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Fixing a defunct economy is like fixing an unwanted pregnancy: the whole point is just do the right things and we don't wind up in that position.

“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense / Video
(And Stick You with the Bill)” January 18, 2008
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston joins us to talk about his new book,“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill).” Johnston reveals how government subsidies and new regulations have quietly funneled money from the poor and the middle class to the rich and politically connected.
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“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense
(And Stick You with the Bill)” January 18, 2008
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston joins us to talk about his new book,“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill).” Johnston reveals how government subsidies and new regulations have quietly funneled money from the poor and the middle class to the rich and politically connected.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lu...