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Amish bid to close case is denied | The Columbus Dispatch

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When alleged Ponzi schemer Monroe Beachy, from Sugarcreek, Ohio, sought refuge in bankruptcy court last year, many of his investors and fellow members of the Amish community complained that their deeply held religious beliefs had been violated.

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dcn

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Seems contrary to the Flordia Judge that will follow religious laws when the two parties are of that faith.
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If this had been a case of Muslim requesting that Shariah law be observed, there would probably have been an immediate approval granted. Isn't that what just happened in a Florida court? But let professing Christians make the same demands - the answer is no. The lawyer representing the Amish should be alert to point out the glaring inequities in the way our governing bodies favor Muslim groups while they persecute Christians.
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dcn wrote:
Seems contrary to the Flordia Judge that will follow religious laws when the two parties are of that faith.
Please read entire article -- not all involved are Amish, so this is a court matter.
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We have freedom of religion but we are to obey the laws of the land.... there are people not of the Amish belief involved in the case. It is a court matter.9365
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Now,no more than ever is it necessary to apply our laws to all citizens and non citizens. No religion has the right to relegate the punishment or any responsibility of enforcing law except the government. The Muslim attempt to replace our courts with Sharia is a perfect example of "we want to live here but......" One is always free to migrate somewhere else!!!!
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Fresh Horses wrote:
If this had been a case of Muslim requesting that Shariah law be observed, there would probably have been an immediate approval granted. Isn't that what just happened in a Florida court? But let professing Christians make the same demands - the answer is no. The lawyer representing the Amish should be alert to point out the glaring inequities in the way our governing bodies favor Muslim groups while they persecute Christians.
You are right on in this matter. Muslims get what they want because of the leadership in this country, now an ahab teacher in Chicago is taking the school district because they denied her the 3 weeks vacation to go to Mecca. Want to bet she wins??????????
formerly ha ha

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Bud wrote:
Now,no more than ever is it necessary to apply our laws to all citizens and non citizens. No religion has the right to relegate the punishment or any responsibility of enforcing law except the government. The Muslim attempt to replace our courts with Sharia is a perfect example of "we want to live here but......" One is always free to migrate somewhere else!!!!
WHERE have Muslims attempted to replace our courts with Sharia law other than in your little head?????? This is just a bigoted racist comment. Tea anyone?
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The amish are definately a breed apart. And this is a good thing. Sometimes I get the notion, in the back of my head, to free myself from the shackles of facebook, internet, and constant digital communication for a more laid back lifestyle.
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Mystical Mythology take heed. USA constitution will not tolerate superstitious laws to circumvent our laws grounded in the secular world of reason and rationality. There are those, that have their mythical beliefs entwined with their governing facilities. They most of all will be disposed of their authorities in any proceedings of our laws. Nations that will tolerate this to their doctrines are subject to their demise. To advance said negative agendas will require that they seek out those nations if they choose. Personally I fore see this mythology will no longer be accepted through out the world as a force of authority. Increase in education promotes reason and rationality which is the demise of said mystical ideologies. Couple that with the growing communications amongst the populace and we have an accelerating spread of reason and rationality. Mythologies will fall prey to this ever increasing knowledge. Bells do toll and they toll for thee.
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If we start allowing anyone, regardless of religion, to be exempt from the law based on religions belief, there will be no more law.

The law must apply equally to all, or to no one at all.
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It's interesting to read that a BANKRUPTCY judge is interpreting the First Amendment as to how he sees fit. It would seem to me that his area of expertise lies in Federal Bankruptcy laws, not Constitutional law.

Although I see what he is saying, I find it intriguing that he's citing this as the reason to dismiss the petitioner's request to dismiss the bankruptcy.

The Amish community has always been know to "take care of their own". If they're willing to cover a $15 million dollar deficit (reported liabilities $33 million, assets $18 million) and it be out of the hands of the courts, who are we to say no?
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this is way over do, and while thing were running go, no one said a word, now that this great country is Broke, by him and people like the brokers that sucked him in, I can understand.

If you have money, you Better put it into Land, and More Land, not dream deals.

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dpx55 wrote:
If we start allowing anyone, regardless of religion, to be exempt from the law based on religions belief, there will be no more law.
The law must apply equally to all, or to no one at all.
I agree.

My big question is why this POS is not Bernie Madoff’s new cellmate? It would appear he got a “get out of jail free card” because he is Amish. He should be locked up in a Federal Tattoo Parlor with all the other crooks.
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Send him to me, I ain't never had a "Amish prison biotch" before!
Follow the money

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right into the federal bankruptcy judge Russ Kendig's lawyer friends' pockets!
This has nothing to do with First Amendment religious grounds and everything to do with money!
This judge and his lawyer/lawfirm buddies have their eyes and trust accounts focused on the $18 million in personal investor assets involved in this case. The victims of Monroe Beachy, secular and amish alike, are about to be forced to entrust their remaining $18 million to the most lawless and unaccountable group of criminals in this country.
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Take him to the woodshed.
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right into the federal bankruptcy judge Russ Kendig's lawyer friends' pockets!
This has nothing to do with First Amendment religious grounds and everything to do with money!
This judge and his lawyer/lawfirm buddies have their eyes and trust accounts focused on the $18 million in personal investor assets involved in this case. The victims of Monroe Beachy, secular and amish alike, are about to be forced to entrust their remaining $18 million to the most lawless and unaccountable group of criminals in this country.
I hear bankruptcy court lawyers get 50% of assets liquidated, anyone know otherwise?
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The Amish are shaddy. I'm glad the court gave them the finger.
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Silky Johnson wrote:
The Amish are shaddy. I'm glad the court gave them the finger.
Why do you think that? I have had many dealings with them over the years and always felt they were more than honest. I am sure that some of them might be shady but on the whole I trust them.
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<quoted text>Why do you think that? I have had many dealings with them over the years and always felt they were more than honest. I am sure that some of them might be shady but on the whole I trust them.
There are as many shady amish and good ones, just like the rest our society. What I dislike is how they can hide behind religion, and everyone thinks their great. Their no more honest than anyone else. The Amish use the church as a huge tax shelter. Yea! I have known several myself. I'll warn you though, they tend to take advantage of kindness more so than most.

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