McCain's Vietnam War Record Under Attack

THE NEW OBAMA SALUTE.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispe...

"We want to see it everywhere, but more importantly we want this sign to take the world by storm." I expect it to be enthusiastically adopted by Obama's troops.

well I guess we should be relieve they didn't use this salute

http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/Backgrounds/...

HOPE, CHANGE, AND A NEW KIND OF POLITICS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/us/politics...

Nearly 10,000 of the biggest donors to Republican candidates and causes across the country will probably receive a foreboding “warning” letter in the mail next week. The letter is an opening shot across the bow from an unusual new outside political group on the left that is poised to engage in hardball tactics to prevent similar groups on the right from getting off the ground this fall.

Led by Tom Matzzie, a liberal political operative who has been involved with some prominent left-wing efforts in recent years, the newly formed nonprofit group, Accountable America, is planning to confront donors to conservative groups, hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions.... The warning letter is intended as a first step, alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives.

No doubt they all go around exchanging Obama Salutes and clicking their heels; I hope they're appropriately attired.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011MPD4O...

Ric Ricland wrote:

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Your links aren't primary source documents, you fumbling fool. My DOD intercepts ARE!
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ricland

Sorry to cut you short again, but you ramble on and on. Notice how when presented with contrary evidence, you run and hide behind the "new information" linked on your site.

The books and articles I have mentioned do address the issue of the French Commie interview and the "Spanish" doctor interview. Since I haven't read the entire interview with Barras, I won't comment on the full paper. I will say this; in the paper "Dr" Barras claims that McCain had normal movement of his shoulders, arms and legs.

This is disproven by anyone who say McCain while in Vietnam and the doctors when he returned home. Why the lie?

There is a saying that goes something like this; just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you. ric, be careful, they may be closer than you think.

NOW MCCAIN WANT TO BE VOTED FOR PRESIDENT! IS McCAIN ON 100% MILITARY DISABILITY?

McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness---
Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain’s case, the exemption is 100%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness
The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
By Ralph V.
April 22, 2008 in print edition A-12
If John McCain is fit why is he collecting 100% disability money??????(his wife is rich?)
THIS IS INSANE!
CAN AMERICA TRUST JOHN MCCAIN?
Where will John McCain be in 20 years?
Where will the american economy be in 20 years?

Ric Ricland wrote:

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Here's the transcript, Gentle Readers.
http://www.powmccain.org/...
ricland
powmccain.org

Now now ric, you are starting to accuse other of that which you regularly do; you are a master at using assumptions based on what is and is not said. Now the tactic is used against you, and presto, it is eveidence of misdeeds! What a jokester you are!

By not asking questions of a political nature, as demanded by "Bug", Chalais did agree not to ask certain questions! He complied with the "Bug's" request!

Ric Ricland wrote:

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After this, Johanson, you stupidly go on to call it a "propaganda story"; stupid, because if a mere interview is a propaganda story, then McCain, who by then had been a POW eight months, should have known this and not agreed to it, right?
ricland
powmccain.org

Let's see if I have my math right. McCain was shot down on October 26th, 1967. The interview with Chalais came out on or around January 1, 1968, which means it must have been written earlier. Eight months: maybe in ricland! An oversight by ric, or intentional. Anyone reading ric's posts in the past can be judge of that. Now one must ask, is the number important? Ric will contend that the number is not important! But if you read the chronology, it is.

johanson wrote:

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Let's see if I have my math right. McCain was shot down on October 26th, 1967. The interview with Chalais came out on or around January 1, 1968, which means it must have been written earlier. Eight months: maybe in ricland! An oversight by ric, or intentional. Anyone reading ric's posts in the past can be judge of that. Now one must ask, is the number important? Ric will contend that the number is not important! But if you read the chronology, it is.

I assure you, Johanson, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.

You've told us one of France's most famous television personalities was a "commie interrogator" yet when asked to produce evidence of this scurrilous claim you've done nothing more than repeat it and repeat over and over again.

Meanwhile, you've not said a peep about the Department of Defense intercept posted on my site that contains the transcript of McCain giving military information to Soviet agents while a POW.

You want to pretend it doesn't exist which is why you attempt to bog down the discussion in talk about the "French commiee."

My point, of course, is that McCain had no business giving anybody an interview, most especially not the Soviets.

We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union. They were supplying the North Vietnamese with the missiles used to shoot down American flyers. Why on earth was McCain talking to them?

Why on earth was he giving them military information?

And by the way, the date of the Soviet interview is Dec. 9, a full month after McCain had entered the hospital.

So why on earth did he talk to them?

Forget about the Frenchman, Johanson.

Tell us why McCain gave the Soviets military information.

You'll find the trascript on my site here:

powmmcain.org

McCain must be getting jittery when thinking how he'll manage his slow mind to answer questions put forth by moderators at the upcoming debates.
He'll be frustrated when unable to answer in time and that's when his short fuse will come in to play.

http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/sns-ap-deb...

ricland!
I assure you, ricland, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.

Boycot powmcain.o-g she is just advertising for for her site. Just panhandling on the net.

Ric Ricland wrote:

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I assure you, Johanson, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.
You've told us one of France's most famous television personalities was a "commie interrogator" yet when asked to produce evidence of this scurrilous claim you've done nothing more than repeat it and repeat over and over again.
Meanwhile, you've not said a peep about the Department of Defense intercept posted on my site that contains the transcript of McCain giving military information to Soviet agents while a POW.
You want to pretend it doesn't exist which is why you attempt to bog down the discussion in talk about the "French commiee."
My point, of course, is that McCain had no business giving anybody an interview, most especially not the Soviets.
We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union. They were supplying the North Vietnamese with the missiles used to shoot down American flyers. Why on earth was McCain talking to them?
Why on earth was he giving them military information?
And by the way, the date of the Soviet interview is Dec. 9, a full month after McCain had entered the hospital.
So why on earth did he talk to them?
Forget about the Frenchman, Johanson.
Tell us why McCain gave the Soviets military information.
You'll find the trascript on my site here:
powmmcain.org

ric, one can only address so bs at a time! Right now, we are still addressing the "interrogation" of McCain with Chalais.(Have you read the entire document? based on your responses, I doubt that)As I said earlier, I haven't read the "Soviet" document, so I can't address it. Maybe someone else has.

In an earlier post, you ask why there are not documents on other POW's. That's easy; none of the others are running for office. As far as I know, the records of any of the others have not been requested. But if they were, we would most likely have documents on Day, Guy, Stockdale, Hegdahl, Stratton and many others becasue it is well documented that each of these POW's gave statements or made broadcasts at one time or another.

This does not make them collaborators; you refuse to look at the situation they were in. You take the code of conduct as a black and white issue. Yet those who suffered at the hands of the Vietnamese saw a lot of gray area.

You use the code as an absolute, yet you have proven yourself to be a person with no honor whatsoever.

DISHONEST or PTSD-MAC wrote:

NOW MCCAIN WANT TO BE VOTED FOR PRESIDENT! IS McCAIN ON 100% MILITARY DISABILITY?
McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness---
Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain’s case, the exemption is 100%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness
The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
By Ralph V.
April 22, 2008 in print edition A-12
If John McCain is fit why is he collecting 100% disability money??????(his wife is rich?)
THIS IS INSANE!
CAN AMERICA TRUST JOHN MCCAIN?
Where will John McCain be in 20 years?
Where will the american economy be in 20 years?

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DISHONEST or PTSD-MAC wrote:

NOW MCCAIN WANT TO BE VOTED FOR PRESIDENT! IS McCAIN ON 100% MILITARY DISABILITY?
McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness---
Certain types of military and veterans pensions are either partially or completely tax-exempt, depending on the seriousness of the disability. In McCain’s case, the exemption is 100%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
McCain’s disability pension may renew questions about his fitness
The disclosure of the Navy benefit for injuries incurred as a Vietnam POW may raise fitness questions.
By Ralph V.
April 22, 2008 in print edition A-12
If John McCain is fit why is he collecting 100% disability money??????(his wife is rich?)
THIS IS INSANE!
CAN AMERICA TRUST JOHN MCCAIN?
Where will John McCain be in 20 years?
Where will the american economy be in 20 years?

U C ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Forex.svg

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Ric Ricland wrote:

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I assure you, Johanson, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.
You've told us one of France's most famous television personalities was a "commie interrogator" yet when asked to produce evidence of this scurrilous claim you've done nothing more than repeat it and repeat over and over again.
Meanwhile, you've not said a peep about the Department of Defense intercept posted on my site that contains the transcript of McCain giving military information to Soviet agents while a POW.
You want to pretend it doesn't exist which is why you attempt to bog down the discussion in talk about the "French commiee."
My point, of course, is that McCain had no business giving anybody an interview, most especially not the Soviets.
We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union. They were supplying the North Vietnamese with the missiles used to shoot down American flyers. Why on earth was McCain talking to them?
Why on earth was he giving them military information?
And by the way, the date of the Soviet interview is Dec. 9, a full month after McCain had entered the hospital.
So why on earth did he talk to them?
Forget about the Frenchman, Johanson.
Tell us why McCain gave the Soviets military information.
You'll find the trascript on my site here:
powmmcain.org

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johanson wrote:

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ric, one can only address so bs at a time! Right now, we are still addressing the "interrogation" of McCain with Chalais.(Have you read the entire document? based on your responses, I doubt that)As I said earlier, I haven't read the "Soviet" document, so I can't address it. Maybe someone else has.

You won't; that much is clear.

In an earlier post, you ask why there are not documents on other POW's. That's easy; none of the others are running for office. As far as I know, the records of any of the others have not been requested. But if they were, we would most likely have documents on Day, Guy, Stockdale, Hegdahl, Stratton and many others becasue it is well documented that each of these POW's gave statements or made broadcasts at one time or another.

First you claimed there was no evidence showing McCain talked. But now that I have produced the evidence, you now claim it means nothing because there's well-documented evidence everybody talked.

If it's "well-documented" you should be able to produce the primary source documents on the others who talked as I have on McCain.

You can't, but I'll cut you some slick...

If it's "well-documented" as you say, produce the quotes that says Day, Guy, Stockdale, Hegdahl, Stratton, et al, gave interviews with the French, Cubans, and Soviets.

You won't be able to do that either because these quotes don't exist. So what you'll wind up doing is throwing up yet another smoke screen -- giving titles to books and articles you claim the evidence is in but isn't.

And that's the difference between me and you, Johanson. I don't play games like that. I build a website, upload my primary source documents to it, then give you the link.

Why can't you do that?

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This does not make them collaborators; you refuse to look at the situation they were in. You take the code of conduct as a black and white issue. Yet those who suffered at the hands of the Vietnamese saw a lot of gray area.[/QUOTE]

I'm more specific than that.

I assert McCain gave military information to the Soviets who used this military information to shoot down American pilots.

I support this claim with Department of Defense radio intercepts. I've uploaded these DOD documents to my website. Here's the link: powmmcain.org

And you may well argue that McCain did what he had to do to survive, and this argument may even have merit, although I don't see how. However, whether that is true or not, one thing we now know for certain is the narrative of McCain's Silver Star isn't true -- he did not resist.

The Soviet interview shows he DID NOT resist.

It shows he did not exhibit acts of GALLANTRY.

It shows his supposed resistence DID NOT lead to the North Vietnamese no longer using torture as a tool to get military intelligence as the narrative of his Silver Star claims.

It shows Navy brass had no business awarding our Nation's third highest award to him, an award thousands of serviceman who fought and bled and died never got because their fathers weren't admirals.

It shows his Silver Star, Legion of Honor, two Bronze Stars and 19 other medals are a sham, a slick publicity campaign designed by his dad to hide his son's real conduct as a POW.

That's all I'm trying to say.

You use the code as an absolute, yet you have proven yourself to be a person with no honor whatsoever.

It's not my honor that's in question.

ricland

Ric Ricland wrote:

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I assure you, Johanson, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.
You've told us one of France's most famous television personalities was a "commie interrogator" yet when asked to produce evidence of this scurrilous claim you've done nothing more than repeat it and repeat over and over again.
Meanwhile, you've not said a peep about the Department of Defense intercept posted on my site that contains the transcript of McCain giving military information to Soviet agents while a POW.
You want to pretend it doesn't exist which is why you attempt to bog down the discussion in talk about the "French commiee."
My point, of course, is that McCain had no business giving anybody an interview, most especially not the Soviets.
We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union. They were supplying the North Vietnamese with the missiles used to shoot down American flyers. Why on earth was McCain talking to them?
Why on earth was he giving them military information?
And by the way, the date of the Soviet interview is Dec. 9, a full month after McCain had entered the hospital.
So why on earth did he talk to them?
Forget about the Frenchman, Johanson.
Tell us why McCain gave the Soviets military information.
You'll find the trascript on my site here:
powmmcain.org

where is the link to the DOD report?

oriana wrote:

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where is the link to the DOD report?

On your forehead.

ricland

Make no mistake about it. Karl Rove's fingerprints are all over the McCain campaign strategy and Karl Rove = Bush / Cheney.

ricland!
I assure you, ricland, at this point no one knows or cares what you're babbling about.

Boycot powmcain.o-g she is just advertising for for her site. Just panhandling on the net.

A Trolls Troll indeed!!

Other than to whine about McCain sweetheart what have you done for this country? What have you sacrificed? What gives you the right to judge?

noILLEGALS wrote:

ricland!
...... knows......cares .......about.

Don't fight over the math just do your research---Or ----release all the war records.
John McCain spoke much about himself to confirm what Sampley wrote about in 2000.
McCain-Bush smear team:
1. Information show that Samplely worked for Bush in 2000 election and 2000 primary s.c.
2. The net show that many of the same people who work for Bush in 2000 election is working for McCain now.
3. The net show that many people who work within the Bush administration is working for McCain now.
4. The net show that some who are lobbyist maybe working for McCain now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
JOHN MCCAIN DO NOT SPEAK FOR MCCAIN CAMPAIGN, HOWEVER, BUSH DO!
John McCain recently restructured his campaign for the second time in less than a year. McCain spread out some of the responsibilities that campaign manager Rick Davis had been handling, and put Steve Schmidt, a protégé of Karl Rove, in charge of his day-to-day operations.
Written by Tony on Jul-8-08 1:44pm
Nicolle Wallace is currently serving as a senior advisor to the John McCain campaign. She was previously Assistant to the President for Communications under the Bush Administration.
DO YOU TRUST THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION?
CAN AMERICAN TRUST JOHN MCCAIN?
HISTORY----WHO IS?
Schmidt--- worked in the losing campaigns of would-be senator of California and would-be president , now a GOP senator from Tennessee.In 2004 Schmidt ran the rapid-response team for Bush-Cheney, a job once held by ex-White House counselor before working with Rove and Vice President- ref:-la
NICOLLE WALLACE---Bush Administration.
RICK DAVIS----LOBBYIST
KARL ROVE---Bush Administration....Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks,...

“Sampley… BUSH 2000 S.C. PRIMARY

Rus Wed Dec-31-69 03:00 PM Member since May 06th 2002 -10114 posts

HAVE BUSH AND MCCAIN UNITED TO REPLAY THE OLD HISTORY OF FEARS?
DO THEY LIE ABOUT THE OTHER GUY TO WIN?
CAN YOU TRUST WHAT BUSH-MAC TEAM HAS TO SAY?
Rick Davis, campaign manager for Senator John McCain, held a teleconference with reporters July 30--read topix

John McCain spoke much about himself to confirm what Sampley wrote about in 2000.
U.S. Navy Aircrafts and first wife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
This may have been written in 2000:
McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.
Mar 2, 2007 - During naval flight training, McCain had several close calls, including a crash in Corpus Christi Bay and a collision with power lines in Spain.... McCain escaped from his jet, but was struck in the legs and chest by shrapnel when a bomb exploded underneath his airplane....
From McCain trivia - AZ Central.com
Related web pages
Education:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.
Ref: Faith of My Fathers
May 30, 2005 - We learn that the Navy, and war, are the McCain family business. Both grandfather and father, John McCain Sr. and McCain Jr., are four-star admirals.· We also see the young McCain as a bit of a rascal and a poor student at the Naval Academy (finishing fifth from the bottom of his class),...
From 'Faith of My Fathers': In Principle, a...- Washington Post