Rick Santorum booed for suggesting gay marriage 'harms' children

Chuck Spears wrote:

<quoted text>In states where SSM is not yet recognized, no church has the right to break the law and perform such marriages.

WTF??????

Do you just write whatever your little pea-brain spits out??? Getting married in a church isn't illegal, you flaming dumbass.

Chuck Spears wrote:

Awww, poor edmund got "insulted".
lol...maybe you should have thought of that while you were composing....hmmmm?

I didn't say I was insulted, I said you were being insulting. There's a difference. It takes a lot more to insult or offend me. My skin's pretty thick.

If you're here to explain your position with well-thought-out analyses, or to present an argument with points of logic, or to hold a mature, civil, intelligent debate, then I'm interested.

If you want to call people "hypocrite" without explaining what you mean, or to make baby talk like "poor edmund", then that doesn't add anything to the conversation, for either of us. It's boring.

Look. There's just no strength in the argument that homosexuality is unnatural. It exists, rampantly, in the animal kingdom. Further, humans ARE animals. It makes sense to expect this kind of variance throughout life. Humans would be strange if this behavior were common in all animals except us.

But, the fact that homosexuality is present in the animal kingdom does NOT invalidate same-sex marriage. Human relationships, even gay ones, are not JUST about sex. People have marriages for emotional reasons, for symbolic reasons, and for financial reasons. Gay people are not exempt from these needs and desires.

Besides, animals don't even HAVE marriage. If ANYTHING in this conversation could be described as "unnatural", it's marriage. THAT'S what doesn't exist in nature.

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Prop 8 is just one example.

"To qualify for the ballot, Proposition 8 needed 694,354 valid petition signatures, equal to 8% of the total votes cast for governor in the November 2006 General Election. The initiative proponents submitted 1,120,801 signatures, and on June 2, 2008, the initiative qualified for the November 4, 2008 election ballot through the random sample signature check.

Obviously, the people of California have spoken on this issue.
And then a(n openly gay) judge over ruled that majority vote.
{How democratic of him!}
Again I ask,
...since when do CHURCHES write laws?

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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Where have you been for the last 40 years? Science proved decades ago that homosexuality was not a disorder, as Freud and others knew even before that.
Now, after decades of research and clinical experience, every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the US agrees being gay is not a disorder, but rather a natural expression of the human condition for a minority of the population.
“Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding.”(American Psychological Association )
The needless suffering and death is a result of the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice you promote.

The term sexual orientation doesn't even apply to so-called homosexuality. The term homosexual is a pseudo-term in search of a definition. Science did in no way prove that homosexuality was not a disorder. You are referring to the bullying of the APA by homosexual militant activist. Treating so-called homosexuality as though it is normal is why so-called homosexuals continue to suffer and die.

Chuck Spears wrote:

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"To qualify for the ballot, Proposition 8 needed 694,354 valid petition signatures, equal to 8% of the total votes cast for governor in the November 2006 General Election. The initiative proponents submitted 1,120,801 signatures, and on June 2, 2008, the initiative qualified for the November 4, 2008 election ballot through the random sample signature check.
Obviously, the people of California have spoken on this issue.
And then a(n openly gay) judge over ruled that majority vote.
{How democratic of him!}
Again I ask,
...since when do CHURCHES write laws?

The Mormons and Catholics teamed up, wrote the law, and got it passed by mobilizing their congregations for money and votes.

The people of California were split on prop 8 with only 52% in favor. 48% did not approve of taking away a civil right from a minority of the population.

The fact that the appellate court agreed with judge Walker's decision shows his decision was based on findings of fact and law, not on his bias. Or you could read the transcripts which are public record and available for the whole world to see. If you did, you would find there was no reason beyond the prejudice you display to deny equal treatment under the law, and plenty of reasons to restore marriage equality. Only gay people and their families are harmed by denial of equality, while straight marriage is unaffected by equality.

It appears you do not understand the role of the judicial branch of our government. We were not intended to be a direct democracy, despite California's attempts to institute mob rule.
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." (SCOTUS)

Jitney wrote:

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The term sexual orientation doesn't even apply to so-called homosexuality. The term homosexual is a pseudo-term in search of a definition. Science did in no way prove that homosexuality was not a disorder. You are referring to the bullying of the APA by homosexual militant activist. Treating so-called homosexuality as though it is normal is why so-called homosexuals continue to suffer and die.

Despite your denial of reality, gay people have been tortured and killed since long before you were born. Such suffering and death was a result of laws imposed based on religious beliefs not shared by all. While most of those laws have now been declared unconstitutional in the US, several other countries still impose punishment up to and including death. It is the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice you promote that leads to such needless suffering and death.

Your belief 30 gay people in 1973 could intimidate the American Psychiatric Association into changing the diagnosis without the science to support such a change is as unrealistic as it is false. While political pressure was required to get them to acknowledge the research by Hooker and others, the change was supported by the research and clinical experience. Even Freud realized being gay was not a disorder though the prejudice you display and promote caused needless stress and suffering for some gay people. Now, every single mainstream medical and mental health organization in the US agree being gay is a normal expression of the human condition for a minority of the population.

Santorum earned a B.A. with honors in political science from Pennsylvania State University in 1980, an M.B.A. from the University of Pittsburgh in 1981, and a J.D. with honors from the Dickinson School of Law in 1986.[20] He was admitted to the Pennsylvania bar, and practiced law for four years at the Pittsburgh law firm Kirkpatrick & Lockhart, now known as K&L Gates. He represented the World Wrestling Federation while with K&L, arguing that professional wrestling should be exempt from federal anabolic steroid regulations because it was entertainment, not an actual sport.[21] Santorum left private law practice after being elected to the House of Representatives in 1990.

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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The Mormons and Catholics teamed up, wrote the law/

STOP!....right there.
If you can prove that, I'll go back and read the rest .

Media Ignores Santorum’s Support For Accused Child Molester Sandusky


Ron Paul hounded while Scandal that undermines Santorum’s “family values” swept aside

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, January 9, 2012

While the establishment media has ceaselessly smeared Ron Paul for the controversial content of decades-old newsletters that were not even written by him, the comparatively shocking scandal of Rick Santorum having sponsored alleged child molester Jerry Sandusky has been almost universally ignored.

Santorum, who has cultivated an image as a clean-cut social conservative trumpeting family values, nominated Sandusky for a “Congressional Angels in Adoption Award,” after Sandusky had already been accused of at least five cases of child molestation.

“Its philosophy is simple,” said Santorum of Sandusky’s charity,“It is easier to develop a child than to rehabilitate an adult.”

“Since the scandal broke into the news, Santorum has been circumspect in his comments about it. He has said he does not know Sandusky personally,” the Philadelphia Inquirer reported back on November 9.

Following the revelation of the charge that a Penn State graduate assistant spotted Sandusky allegedly anally raping a young boy in a shower and then told head football coach Joe Paterno, Santorum defended Paterno, who did not inform the police of the alleged incident.

Despite Santorum’s surge before last week’s Iowa Republican primary that enabled him to virtually tie with Mitt Romney in first, the establishment media has uniformly failed to highlight how his sponsorship of Sandusky underscores Santorum’s hypocrisy when it comes to “family values”.

On the other hand, Congressman Ron Paul has been hounded by the media for weeks about the contents of decades-old newsletters that were not even written by him.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Almost every day, the corporate media contrives to manufacture a new smear against Ron Paul – today it’s the ludicrous claim that Paul was to blame for having to abandon a meet and greet at a New Hampshire diner after the media itself caused a fracas.

And yet establishment candidates such as Santorum and Romney have virtually been given a free pass despite their past associations and policies being far more odious and abhorrent to conservative values than Paul, who has the most conservative voting record in Congress.

“Why has Rick Santorum not been questioned about his connections and support of Jerry Sandusky?,” asks the Daily Paul.

“Ron Paul overlooked a couple sentences that went into his newsletter decades ago, and has been scrutinized and questioned repeatedly about it for the last 14 years.”

“So why not the same scrutiny for Santorum’s sponsorship of Sandusky to receive the congressional angels in adoption award? Paul has disavowed anything to do with the racism that appeared in his newsletter which he never knew about, but we still haven’t heard if Santorum disavows his outright honor of Sandusky.”

Jitney wrote:

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The term sexual orientation doesn't even apply to so-called homosexuality. The term homosexual is a pseudo-term in search of a definition. Science did in no way prove that homosexuality was not a disorder. You are referring to the bullying of the APA by homosexual militant activist. Treating so-called homosexuality as though it is normal is why so-called homosexuals continue to suffer and die.

You are delusional, Miss Thing.

Chuck Spears wrote:

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STOP!....right there.
If you can prove that, I'll go back and read the rest .

Well, duh! Why did the IRS fine the Mormon church for their participation??????????

You can deny reality all you like, but the truth will eventually come out.

Chuck Spears wrote:

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STOP!....right there.
If you can prove that, I'll go back and read the rest .

"8: The Mormon Proposition is an American documentary
The film focuses on the wealth and power of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and how the Church uses the National Organization for Marriage to advocate for denial of rights to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Americans. It states that Mormon leader Thomas S. Monson asked to ensure the passage of the controversial California Proposition 8.
According to the New York Times, the film "uncovers the classified church documents and the largely concealed money trail of Mormon contributions that paid for a high-powered campaign to pass Proposition 8"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8:_The_Mormon_Pr...

Wall Street Journal: Mormons Boost Antigay Marriage Effort : "A finance-tracking group corroborated Mormon fund-raising dominance, saying it could exceed 40%.

The Mormon Church decision to enlist members on behalf of the same-sex marriage ban has given supporters of Proposition 8 a fund-raising lead.

"The top leadership of the Mormon Church, known as the First Presidency, issued a letter in June calling on Mormons to "do all you can" to support Proposition 8." "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221860637166...

Just a few of the many others documenting their involvement include:

New York Times: Inquiry Set on Mormon Aid for California Marriage Vote

Washington Post: "The Mormons are Coming!"

KSL -TV (Church Owned): Thousands of Prop 8 Opponents Protest LDS Church at Temple Square

San Francisco Chronicle: FPPC Looks Into Mormon Backing of Prop 8

Pam's House Blend: Mormon Church: Guilty on 13 Counts of Prop 8 Malfeasance

Sue Wee wrote:

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Well, duh! Why did the IRS fine the Mormon church for their participation??????????
You can deny reality all you like, but the truth will eventually come out.

Santorum's Strange Ties to Sandusky/Penn State Scandal: Wayne ...
Jan 9, 2012 ... Alex also talks with investigative journalist Wayne Madsen about the situation in the Persian Gulf. Madsen has written numerous articles for the ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...- 137k - Don,'t miss PART 2

Walter Mellone Manne wrote:

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Yet.
Would you support a Baptist Ministers right to refuse marriage to ANYONE?

yes

Chuck Spears wrote:

<quoted text>In states where SSM is not yet recognized, no church has the right to break the law and perform such marriages.

That is one of the stupidest statements I've read on Topix.

Churches in EVERY State are free to perform marriage ceremonies for whoever they wish. In States the ban SSM they simply don't get legal recognition.

Here in Florida we have Amendment 2 which defines marriage in our State Constitution as one man one woman. Two weeks ago a same sex couple held their marriage in Coral Gables.

They broke no laws; no one was arrested.

I used to live in Maryland. Same Sex Marriages have been performed by Churches there for over 30 years now. Maryland doesn't grant legal status to SSM YET. Those ceremonies broke no laws. It's called religious freedom.

You really are clueless in a lot of this.

Walter Mellone Manne wrote:

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Would you support a Clergyman's right to deny marriage to a black man and a white woman?

yes. It's called religious freedom. Though I wonder why anyone would want to attend a church ran by such a bigot.

Chuck Spears wrote:

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STOP!....right there.
If you can prove that, I'll go back and read the rest .

It is idiots like you that are to blame for the mess we are in, if you didn.t vote the white cracker neo-cons in year after year 9-11 would never have happened and we would be in a whole lot better shape. Your Neo=cons blew up the world trade on sept, 11 2011. Just because they let Bin-Laden recruit a bunch of stupid cave dwellers to fly the planes doesn,t get the neo-cons off the hook for planning it. My point being check out Santorum and his young republicans. I am not saying he knew of the charges, I am saying why no attention brought to it? Do you think if Obama had the same connections we would here of it on Fox news and thus the rest of main-stream? watch this and let me know what you think. If nothing else, shouldn't Alex Jone/Wayne Madsen be castrated by main-stream media? Don't panic! Everything Obama says and does backfires and brings transparency to the vast rightwing conspiracey. Think of it, the banking fraudsters,the ease of getting Bin Laden, the Power of the rightwing Christian Mafia, the policy of revolving door politics, the total power by the defense industry, the hate,bigotry and racism on the right,... be patient it is all coming out and we have nothing to lose by re=electing Obama at least it keeps both sides fired up and wondering WTF has been going on since NOV 22nd 1963? Santorum's Strange Ties to Sandusky/Penn State Scandal: Wayne ...
Jan 9, 2012 ... Alex also talks with investigative journalist Wayne Madsen about the situation in the Persian Gulf. Madsen has written numerous articles for the ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...- 137k - If this link fails just type into your search engine
Santorum's Strange Ties to Sandusky/Youtube Something is very EVIL is going on in America and is never going to change by just replacing puppets in the WH. We need to connect the power structure and that power structure isn't just one entity. That power structure is more in-line with the 7M Mandate, Google It!
Documents Show Christian World Domination Group Paid For Bipartisan Congressional Hawaii Trip/
The stated destination of Tony Hall's and Frank Wolf's February 18-25, 2000 conjugal junkets was Kona, Hawaii, home of the international campus and headquarters of Youth With a Mission. YWAM is a global Christian ministry that owns the C Street House and whose founder Loren Cunningham proposes an ambitious plan for Christian domination in which believers achieve control of key societal sectors including government, business, media, and education: the 7 Mountains Mandate [ link: "7 Mountains" 7 Mountains Mandate , 7 Mountains Mandate , 7 Mountains Mandate ,

I like Rick.

Chuck Smears wrote:

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.........
Again I ask,
...since when do CHURCHES write laws?

So, you don't believe that, for instance, the Morman church, who funnelled millions into the Prop 8 battle, had any effect with the irrational scare tactics they supported?

There is NO valid state or civil reason to ban gay couples and their families from the protections marriage brings, only certain religious ones. Churches spent millions on supporting Prop 8, and were the main surce of the lies spread about marriage.

Churches created Prop 8, even if no one church penned it.. Or, at least church dollars did.

Chuck Smears wrote:

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........Again I ask,
...since when do CHURCHES write laws?

So, you don't believe that, for instance, the Morman church, who funnelled millions into the Prop 8 battle, had any effect with the irrational scare tactics they financially supported?

There is NO valid state or civil reason to ban gay couples and their families from the protections marriage brings, only certain religious ones. Churches spent millions on supporting Prop 8, and were the main surce of the lies spread about marriage.

Churches created Prop 8, even if no one church penned it.. Or, at least church dollars did.