Coburn predicts immigration bill

twinkie wrote:

8/13/06
'Private Police Force' group sets sights on illegal immigrants, plans to make citizen's arrest
LA CRESTA -- Fed up with what it says is a failure on the part of authorities to act on the area's illegal immigrant problem, a group purporting to be residents of the affluent, sprawling and isolated La Cresta, Tenaja and Santa Rosa communities is vowing to take matters into its own hands.
A group calling itself Private Police Force announced last week on a new Web site that it will begin doing the job U.S. Border Patrol and the Riverside County Sheriff's Department aren't doing by conducting citizens' arrests on illegal immigrants and detaining them.
If it follows through on its promise, the group would be taking things further than other anti-illegal immigration groups, such as The Minutemen Project, which have previously deployed their members to monitor the U.S.-Mexico border and only report illegal immigrant sightings.
The Private Police Force is threatening to actually detain illegal immigrants.
"They will be handcuffed to the Oak Trees," according to the group's Web site, so they can be picked up by authorities.
"Don't treat this website lightly," the group states. "We will make Citizens Arrests on Illegal Aliens. We will File Criminal and Civil Complaints if you Hire or House an Illegal. If you have sold a vehicle to an illegal, we will prosecute you under the DMV law too. If you house an illegal, we will also prosecute you under the Zoning Laws."
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/08/10/ne...

I think this is a dangerous development. The Ku Klux Klan was started to remove "carpet baggers" from the southern states. We know where that organization headed. I've read some works on mob psychology and much of it is frightening. This organization could very easily degenerate into a vigilante group that sees itself as cop, judge, jury and executioner. I don't think anyone here wants to see someone else killed regardless of their immigration status.

twinkie wrote:

8/13/06
'Private Police Force' group sets sights on illegal immigrants, plans to make citizen's arrest
LA CRESTA -- Fed up with what it says is a failure on the part of authorities to act on the area's illegal immigrant problem, a group purporting to be residents of the affluent, sprawling and isolated La Cresta, Tenaja and Santa Rosa communities is vowing to take matters into its own hands.
A group calling itself Private Police Force announced last week on a new Web site that it will begin doing the job U.S. Border Patrol and the Riverside County Sheriff's Department aren't doing by conducting citizens' arrests on illegal immigrants and detaining them.
If it follows through on its promise, the group would be taking things further than other anti-illegal immigration groups, such as The Minutemen Project, which have previously deployed their members to monitor the U.S.-Mexico border and only report illegal immigrant sightings.
The Private Police Force is threatening to actually detain illegal immigrants.
"They will be handcuffed to the Oak Trees," according to the group's Web site, so they can be picked up by authorities.
"Don't treat this website lightly," the group states. "We will make Citizens Arrests on Illegal Aliens. We will File Criminal and Civil Complaints if you Hire or House an Illegal. If you have sold a vehicle to an illegal, we will prosecute you under the DMV law too. If you house an illegal, we will also prosecute you under the Zoning Laws."
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/08/10/ne...

Of course the irony in this is that these groups are all based in towns with Spanish names. ;-)

Okie Lobbyist wrote:

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I think this is a dangerous development. The Ku Klux Klan was started to remove "carpet baggers" from the southern states. We know where that organization headed. I've read some works on mob psychology and much of it is frightening. This organization could very easily degenerate into a vigilante group that sees itself as cop, judge, jury and executioner. I don't think anyone here wants to see someone else killed regardless of their immigration status.

I agree with you on this. I posted it as information, not in support of. I don't see how they could have any legal authority. I have no problem with the minute men as long as all they do is report sightings to the border patrol, but a group that comes in direct physical contact with other human beings just because they dissagree with them, is not the kind of groups we need. I am a firm believer in educaation.

twinkie wrote:

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I am a firm believer in educaation.

I'm in complete agreement with you on that.

Let us return Texas to its rightful owners. We in Oklahoma do not want to see another football team like the University of Texas had last year. Plus most of the people from Mexico seem to be on the small side. I am sure they would not require as much renumeration from local car dealership's as the Anglo's in Norman. Also, if we picked our own fruit and vegies we could cut some of the lard we read so much about and lower our health care costs. I could go on forever but I hear glass breaking everywhere.

Frank wrote:

Let us return Texas to its rightful owners. We in Oklahoma do not want to see another football team like the University of Texas had last year. Plus most of the people from Mexico seem to be on the small side. I am sure they would not require as much renumeration from local car dealership's as the Anglo's in Norman. Also, if we picked our own fruit and vegies we could cut some of the lard we read so much about and lower our health care costs. I could go on forever but I hear glass breaking everywhere.

And if you want to really hear about treason, my sister whose first words were OOOOOOHHHHHH YYYYOOOOUUUU, has decided to attend Texas A&M. My mother almost had a heart attack. There's even talk of writing her out of the will. Tragedy of tragedies.

CONSULT WITH WHO?
ARE WE ALSO GOING TO CONSULT WITH THE MORE THAN 30 OTHER COUNTRIES WHO HAVE ILLEGALS HERE?

Title: U.S. must consult Mexico on security, official says
Source: el paso times
URL Source: http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_4181625
Published: Aug 15, 2006
Author: Louie Gilot / El Paso Times
Post Date: 2006-08-15 13:45:24 by fitz

Consulting with Mexico on border fencing and other border security projects "is not only a good idea but the only way to go about it," Carlos De Icaza, Mexico's ambassador to the U.S. said Monday in El Paso. The idea of consulting with Mexico is controversial among U.S. conservatives who see it as compromising the security and sovereignty of the United States.

Republican House members have scheduled a hearing in El Paso Thursday titled "Should Mexico hold veto power over U.S. border security decisions?"

The title refers to a provision in the Senate immigration bill, S. 2611, which would require consultation with Mexico on plans to build a border fence.

But Ambassador De Icaza, who was in El Paso on Monday to attend the opening reception for the third annual Border Security Conference at UTEP, said binational consultation already occurs and with positive results, in human-trafficking investigations for instance.

De Icaza was promoting the principle of "shared responsibility" as defined in a resolution signed by both houses of the Mexican Congress in February. The document is a mea culpa on immigration -- it recognizes that "Mexicans do not find in their own country an economic and social environment ... that encourages them to stay in the country"-- but it also says that Mexico should be involved in immigration decisions in the United States.

For instance, Mexico should be allowed to participate in the "design, management, supervision and evaluation" of a U.S. guest worker program, according to the resolution. De Icaza said his government was willing to create more incentives for immigrants to come back to Mexico, like helping migrants buy houses in Mexico."Fences and walls are not the best way to cooperate," De Icaza said."What we need are more bridges of understanding."

twinkie wrote:

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I agree with you on this. I posted it as information, not in support of. I don't see how they could have any legal authority. I have no problem with the minute men as long as all they do is report sightings to the border patrol, but a group that comes in direct physical contact with other human beings just because they dissagree with them, is not the kind of groups we need. I am a firm believer in educaation.

Reporting sightings to border patrol will not stop illegal immigrants. Don't get me wrong, I am not in favor of genocide by any means--but those types of vigilante groups will get results, one way or another. Freedom comes at a cost, to everyone. It always has come with cost.

How many months ago did Bush get on tv and say he was deploying troops to the border? How long did it take to send any to the border? Is illegal immigration still going on?

Are you people waiting on the government to fix illegal immigration?

What kind of education do you believe will help this situation?

Alot of comments have been made here that are not realistic. First of all, the mexicans have not shown anyone how to gain the system, partake in criminal activity or brought leprosy to the American citizens.
That is ridiculous.
I drove by a mexican church on Sunday. The cars there were not jalopys, they were brand new Lincoln Navigators, Ford F 150 and Dodge pickups.

I wish the US would just get rid of all the illegal immigrants, and they are not all mexican. At least the mexicans haven't bombed us ...yet.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/show ...

READ WHAT THE MEXICANS IN MEXICO ARE SAYING ABOUT IMMIGRATION

marie Lewis wrote:

http://www.thesocialcontract.c om/cgi-bin/show...
READ WHAT THE MEXICANS IN MEXICO ARE SAYING ABOUT IMMIGRATION

Bad link. Can you try again please?

Thanks.

Last night on Hannity and Colmes they showed pictures of patches from boarder crossers that are affiliated with known terrorist groups. That is so scary.Your average poor worker does not have these patches. Maybe Washington will get the message.CLOSE THE BORDER!
All I know is that my property taxes are going up and my property value is going down because of these illegals.The emergency rooms are filled.Crime is up. The McCain/Kennedy's tell me to grin and bear it and have compassion. Well...I am fresh out of compassion. I have applied for my gun permit.Put in a new alarm system and put my kid into private school.As an American Indian I already know how it feels when a country has been taken over by foriegners through the writings of my Grandfathers. Lets not let white guilt get in the way of stopping this round. Please write your congressmen and attend the field hearings in your area for the immigration debates.

This invasion has been 'engineered' by ZioNazis.
The Committee on Foreign Relations, and Jewish banks like the IMF and World Band
has conspired to squeeze the economic freedom of the Latin American countries,
while 'opening the doors' to illegal migration into the USA.
This is just one factor in an elaborate formula that:
* exports jobs,
trade and defence secrets, and cash;
* promotes war instead of peace,
* enslaves hundreds of millions including minimum wage, and middle-class Americans
* misinforms voters as to all events and issues
We must not continue to view Israel through 'Christian Colored Glasses'.
Those of us with the Internet must look 'behind the veil' to find the truth.
The existance of the American (Christian) way, of fairness and freedom ...
and our very lives depend upon finding the TRUTH.

The Old Switcheroo wrote:

At the current rate of immigration, both legal and otherwise, Americans born as American will become a minority in this country during the year 2052. Now, there's a comforting thought.
Yes, pay close attention to the rhetoric the politicfos are spewing...they will make every valiant effort to say what you want to hear as we draw closer to election time. Of course, you must also bear in mind that if a politicians mouth is moving, he (OR she) is either eating or lying.

I agree!
Tom Colburn, Mike Inhoff, and 100% of congress are TRAITORS!
They should be shamed and shunned, at the VERY LEAST!

Texas is rapidly becoming part of Mexico. How could George Bush allow Texas to become this mess.

You wanted George Bush and his ideas of how to make America a better place for all since you put him in the hot seat for almost 8 years. I say leave the illegals alone and bring in another 30 or 40 million maybe we can just have a better America than we have now. To cry after the fact since it has been going on since bush got into office and you re-elected him again you have nobody to blame except your selves. Very soon your vote will not mean a thing since you will be out numbered. You are getting just what you ask for. You can call me anything you like but the joke is on you. You lost. George Bush just bought a big Island when he will move his family after he leaves office. This land belong to the Indians and what did the white man do he killed the Indians and took the land as his own. I guess you could just say what goes around comes around. Funny how history repeats its self when your busy trying to get into other peoples business and not taking care of your own.