Oklahoma "personhood" bill fails in Legislature

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zef wrote:

<quoted text>Pompous bigots twisting the constitution to suit their nihilistic, hangmongering agendas is a treasonist act of hatred, and bigoty.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Citizenship is not a right nor does citizenship grant rights. US citizens have the same human rights as every other human regardless of where, or whether or not they are born.
The Nuremberg Trials were a series of military tribunals, held by the victorious Allied forces of World War II, most notable for the prosecution of prominent members of the political, military, and economic leadership of the defeated Nazi Germany.
The indictments were for:
1.Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
2.Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
3.War crimes
4.Crimes against humanity
Judges
Major General Iona Nikitchenko (Soviet main)
Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Volchkov (Soviet alternate)
Colonel Sir Geoffrey Lawrence (British main),
President of the Tribunal
Sir Norman Birkett (British alternate)
Francis Biddle (American main)
John J. Parker (American alternate)
Professor Henri Donnedieu de Vabres (French main)
Robert Falco (French alternate)
Chief prosecutors
Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross (United Kingdom)
Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson (United States)
Lieutenant-General Roman Andreyevich Rudenko (Soviet Union)
François de Menthon (France)
Since this trial concerned victims of human rights violations who were not US citizens. The US government obviously has an obligation to protect the rights of non citizens. Being born does not determine citizenship, rather where an individual is born determines citizenship. And being a US citizen obviously has nothing to do with who does, or does not have rights.

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zef wrote:

"...the Equal Protection Clause requires that you treat a helpless human being that's still in the womb the way you treat other human beings."
Justice Scalia On The Record

Kathwynn wrote:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/con stitution/amendmentxiv
14th Amendment
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
"All persons born....
Those are the first words of the 14th Amendment.. Any other questions.. Oh and here from the most conservative on the Supreme Court. Supreme Justice Scalia. And yes He would like Roe V Wade to go away, but even he acknowledges that it will not happen.
Justice Scalia On The Record
By CBSNews
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-4040290...
"What is the connection between your Catholicism, your Jesuit education, and your judicial philosophy?" Stahl asks.
"It has nothing to do with how I decide cases," Scalia replies. "My job is to interpret the Constitution accurately. And indeed, there are anti-abortion people who think that the constitution requires a state to prohibit abortion. They say that the Equal Protection Clause requires that you treat a helpless human being that's still in the womb the way you treat other human beings. I think that's wrong. I think when the Constitution says that persons are entitled to equal protection of the laws, I think it clearly means walking-around persons,"

Kathwynn wrote:

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The () are mine to point out to you what a fool you have made of yourself.. Again.
The next time you want to plagiarize something you little fool. Make sure you get the entire quote.
Oh that is right. You only read what you want to read. and knowing that your position is weak that you must lie and misquote. Fool.

zef wrote:

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Argueing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like argueing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned.
All humans have the same human rights. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your realm of hatred and death.

Kathwynn wrote:

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BAck to the melodramatic bullshyt. Well that is all you really have left.
As I have pointed out to you in the past logic, facts, and common sense are not your friends.
As I have the Law, the Constitution, and Supreme Court Decisions to back the fact that a fetus has no rights. It puts you in on the losing side. Throw in the fact that science also does not work for you either. So no surprise the only thing you have left is melodramatic bullshyt, lying, and misinformation.

zef wrote:

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Argueing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like argueing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned.
All humans have the same human rights. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your realm of hatred and death.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>You misquoted Judge Scalia. If you have to lie to argue your point, you have lost the debate, you crackpot.

zef wrote:

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Human rights are inherent. Laws, courts, and governments have nothing to do with who has rights, or what rights humans have. Argueing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like argueing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned.
All humans have the same human rights. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your realm of hatred and death.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>You misquoted Judge Scalia. If you have to lie to argue your point, you have lost the debate, you crackpot.

Kathwynn wrote:

<quoted text> That she did and is now back to be hysterical melodramatic little fool.

Kathwynn wrote:

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Those rights are for people. Not a fetus. Something that has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions. As for bigotry, hate, and stupidity.. I leave that to you. I deal in facts. Not some delusional thinking that by turning the Constitution on its head; you can make a case for a fetus having rights.
A fetus has none.. That is a fact that you are going to have to accept. As that is reality.

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Human rights are inherent. Laws, courts, and governments have nothing to do with who has rights, or what rights humans have. Argueing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like argueing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned..
All humans have the same human rights. All humans are people regardless of their age. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of theirsocieties. Untill then enjoy your realm of bigotry, hatred, and death.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>Her strategy is taking over a thread by cutting and pasting the same few long, plagiarised passages over and over again until she kills the thread. The mystery is what she gets out of it.

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Human rights are inherent. Laws, courts, and governments have nothing to do with who has rights, or what rights humans have. Argueing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like argueing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned.
All humans have the same human rights. All humans are people regardless of their age. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your realm of bigotry, hatred, and death.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>Fetuses don't have any rights. Enjoy your realm of ignorance:-)

Kathwynn wrote:

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To echo elise in burque. A fetus has no rights.
That is reality.

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Human rights are inherent. Age has nothing to do with who has rights, or what rights humans have. All humans have the same human rights. Arguing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like arguing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, or arguing with a nazi about the rights of human jews, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your reality of bigotry, hatred, and death.

zef wrote:

<quoted text>Human rights are inherent. Age has nothing to do with who has rights, or what rights humans have. All humans have the same human rights. Arguing with abortionists about the rights of human fetus is like arguing with a southern slave owner about the rights of human blacks, or arguing with a nazi about the rights of human jews, a lesson in futility as far as I am concerned. Your bigotry, and your laws does not, nor cannot preclude any human from their inherent human rights. Perhaps someday humans will be enlightened enough to protect the young of their societies. Untill then enjoy your reality of bigotry, hatred, and death.

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>Elective LTAs are legal in my state. Ain't America great?

Kathwynn wrote:

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You can spam this crap all you want, you f*cktarded drama queen. It still not change the fact that a fetus does not and will not ever have any rights under the Constitution. That is reality.