Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164252 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28871 May 31, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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They didn't. Some got larger, some got smaller. Their sizes changed as the environments they lived in changed. It is called evolution.
Ummm...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#28872 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Actually written before the fact. Check the Old Testament.
Old testament was was still written after the fact.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#28873 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Jesus.
You can't be serious. Name one prophecy in the OT that correctly and accurately and completely foretold Jesus.

Christians often assert alleged inspiration of the Bible is proven by accurate prophecies contained therein. Yet, any reasonably objective analysis of the Book will expose many inaccurate predictions. Generally speaking, prophetic failures can be grouped into three separate categories: Those which were fulfilled in a manner different from that promised, those which have never occurred, and New Testament references to Old Testament prophecies that don't exist. Besides Jesus' inaccurate predictions with respect to the cock crowing, the attainment of paradise by the thief on the cross, and the similarity in time between His internment and Jonah's period in the whale. the following falsehoods could be mentioned.

In Genesis 2:17 God told Adam.

Gen. 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Yet, Adam ate the fruit and did not die that day. In fact, he lived to be 930 years old (Gen. 5:5). If a spiritual, as opposed to a physical, death was intended, as apologists allege, then why wouldn't this be true of what Nathan told David in 2 Samual 12:14. David had sinned against God and Nathan said:

2 Samual 12:14 "Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die." Verse 18 clearly shows that the child died physically, not spiritually, shortly thereafter.[Which also goes against Deut. 24:16.]

Unless the context shows a verse should be given a spiritual interpretation, we should adhere to a literal approach. The well-known apologist W. Arndt aptly stated: "It must be remembered that a deviation from the literal sense is not justified unless the Scriptures themselves prescribe such a course." Bible Difficulties, W. Arndt, p. 133.

Another inaccurate prophecy is found in Genesis 28:13:Gen. 28:13 "...I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed." Jacob never received the promise land and it is questionable whether the spot on which he lay ever came into the possession of his decendants.

In Genesis 35:10 God said to Jacob:

Gen. 35:10 "And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel"

Yet, just 11 chapters later the text says:

Gen. 46:2 "And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I."

A concluding false prophecy among the scores of available is found in Deuteronomy 23:

Deut. 23:3 "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever."

Ruth a Moabitess, not only entered the congregation of the Lord as Ruth 1:4, 1:22, 4:13, 4:17 show but gave birth to the ancestors of David and Jesus.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#28874 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
http://www.6000years.org/frame .php?page=dinosaurs
The Alvis Delk Track
This spectacular fossil footprint was found in July of 2000 by amateur archaeologist, Alvis Delk of Stephenville, Texas and is now on display at ..........
You're one of "those" YECs. Let's just pretend that all the artifact stuff is actually dinos, why are there no human and dino bones in the same strata?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#28875 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
http://www.6000years.org/frame .php?page=dinosaurs
The Alvis Delk Track
This spectacular fossil footprint was found in July of 2000 by amateur archaeologist, Alvis Delk of Stephenville, Texas and is now on display at the Creation Evidence Museum, Glen Rose, TX. Mr. Delk found the loose slab against the bank of the Paluxy River, about one mile north of Dinosaur Valley State Park. He flipped over the rock and saw an excellent dinosaur track, so he took it home where it sat in his living room for years, with hundreds of other fossils.
Early in 2008 he had a devastating accident. He fell off of a roof incurring damage that required months of hospitalization. He still has a dangerous blood clot in his brain. When he returned to his home, he decided he would sell the dinosaur track, thinking Dr. Carl Baugh of the nearby Creation Evidence Museum would pay a few hundred dollars for it. He began to clean the rock, and that was when he discovered the fossil human footprint underneath the dried clay! The human footprint had been made first, and shortly thereafter (before the mud turned to stone), a dinosaur stepped in the mud with its middle toe stepping on top of the human track. You can actually see the displaced mud from the dinosaur's middle toe inside the human footprint. Spiral CT scans are used to generate images of the inside of an object from a large series of two-dimensional X-ray images taken around a single axis of rotation. This technology provides an effective means of analyzing fossil footprints without physically destroying them. It allows us to see inside the rock, specifically, under the footprint.
Sheesh!!! Knightmare, you'll fall for anything, won't you?

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm

It took the guy EIGHT YEARS to notice an obvious footprint? Can you spell 'hoax'?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28876 May 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Old testament was was still written after the fact.
Nope. Not even close. Any scholar knows this.

You like living in fantasy kittyland don't you?

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/30/a-day-in-...

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Told you zombies existed.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28877 May 31, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Sheesh!!! Knightmare, you'll fall for anything, won't you?
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/delk.htm
It took the guy EIGHT YEARS to notice an obvious footprint? Can you spell 'hoax'?
To be fair evolution itself is pretty...well, is in the category of "anything".

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28878 May 31, 2012
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You can't be serious. Name one prophecy in the OT that correctly and accurately and completely foretold Jesus.
Christians often assert alleged inspiration of the Bible is proven by accurate prophecies contained therein. Yet, any reasonably objective analysis of the Book will expose many inaccurate predictions. Generally speaking, prophetic failures can be grouped into three separate categories: Those which were fulfilled in a manner different from that promised, those which have never occurred, and New Testament references to Old Testament prophecies that don't exist. Besides Jesus' inaccurate predictions with respect to the cock crowing, the attainment of paradise by the thief on the cross, and the similarity in time between His internment and Jonah's period in the whale. the following falsehoods could be mentioned.
In Genesis 2:17 God told Adam.
Gen. 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Yet, Adam ate the fruit and did not die that day. In fact, he lived to be 930 years old (Gen. 5:5). If a spiritual, as opposed to a physical, death was intended, as apologists allege, then why wouldn't this be true of what Nathan told David in 2 Samual 12:14. David had sinned against God and Nathan said:
2 Samual 12:14 "Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die." Verse 18 clearly shows that the child died physically, not spiritually, shortly thereafter.[Which also goes against Deut. 24:16.]
Unless the context shows a verse should be given a spiritual interpretation, we should adhere to a literal approach. The well-known apologist W. Arndt aptly stated: "It must be remembered that a deviation from the literal sense is not justified unless the Scriptures themselves prescribe such a course." Bible Difficulties, W. Arndt, p. 133.
Another inaccurate prophecy is found in Genesis 28:13:Gen. 28:13 "...I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed." Jacob never received the promise land and it is questionable whether the spot on which he lay ever came into the possession of his decendants.
In Genesis 35:10 God said to Jacob:
Gen. 35:10 "And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel"
Yet, just 11 chapters later the text says:
Gen. 46:2 "And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I."
A concluding false prophecy among the scores of available is found in Deuteronomy 23:
Deut. 23:3 "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever."
Ruth a Moabitess, not only entered the congregation of the Lord as Ruth 1:4, 1:22, 4:13, 4:17 show but gave birth to the ancestors of David and Jesus.
That last one concerning Ruth? Shows the depth of redemption God is willing to go.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#28879 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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To be fair evolution itself is pretty...well, is in the category of "anything".
To be fair, you haven't any idea what you're talking about.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#28880 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Based on analysis of the vertebrae and comparison with smaller, better-known titanosaurs, the paleontologist believes the new find was 115 to 131 feet (35 to 40 meters) long and weighed between 88 and 110 tons (80 and 100 metric tons).
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/...
Er...my animal is bigger...{somehow that just didn't sound right...}
The aforementioned Blue Whale is almost double the weight.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28881 May 31, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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To be fair, you haven't any idea what you're talking about.
That is so like way harsh dude...

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28882 May 31, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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The aforementioned Blue Whale is almost double the weight.
Hmmm...my animal is longer...{darn it that still sounded wrong...}

Could be the water adding the weight?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#28883 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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That is so like way harsh dude...
"So like?" You have a foul mouth.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28884 May 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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"So like?" You have a foul mouth.
I eat like a bird sometimes so I've been told I have a fowl mouth, not a foul mouth...

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#28885 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Prophecy IS fact.
No, knight, it's not.

Camping predicted that the world would end last year.
Did it?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#28886 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
Why did animals go from being giants to the size they are now?
Atmospheric oxygen. Read a book.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28887 May 31, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
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Atmospheric oxygen. Read a book.
So earlier animals were filled with more hot air? Is that the balloon theory of evolution?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#28888 May 31, 2012
Nuggin wrote:
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No, knight, it's not.
Camping predicted that the world would end last year.
Did it?
Lindsay Lohan got jail time...you tell me?

Seriously, facts aren't facts if you misinterpret them are they?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#28889 May 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Do you actually believe in vampires, werewolves, and *snicker* zombies?
Well..

Jesus qualifies as a zombie, dontcha think?

Risen from the dead, he wants your soul!!

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#28890 May 31, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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So earlier animals were filled with more hot air? Is that the balloon theory of evolution?
Sigh.

Just a question. Ever been to a museum?

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