Good guys don't resort to torture

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Chylloh wrote:

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You can stop playing elementary school child and grow up and face reality.
When?
How about a few years ago, when one of the terrorists succomb to 4 secs of waterboarding and told them about the attack on Los Angeles.
Was Los Angeles attacked?
CNN
May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM)-- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.
Before he was waterboarded, when KSM was asked about planned attacks on the United States, he ominously told his CIA interrogators,“Soon, you will know.”
According to the previously classified May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that was released by President Barack Obama last week, the thwarted attack -- which KSM called the “Second Wave”-- planned “‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.”
KSM was the mastermind of the first “hijacked-airliner” attacks on the United States, which struck the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Northern Virginia on Sept. 11, 2001.
After KSM was captured by the United States, he was not initially cooperative with CIA interrogators. Nor was another top al Qaeda leader named Zubaydah. KSM, Zubaydah, and a third terrorist named Nashiri were the only three persons ever subjected to waterboarding by the CIA.(Additional terrorist detainees were subjected to other “enhanced techniques” that included slapping, sleep deprivation, dietary limitations, and temporary confinement to small spaces -- but not to water-boarding.)
This was because the CIA imposed very tight restrictions on the use of waterboarding.“The ‘waterboard,’ which is the most intense of the CIA interrogation techniques, is subject to additional limits,” explained the May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo.“It may be used on a High Value Detainee only if the CIA has ‘credible intelligence that a terrorist attack is imminent’; ‘substantial and credible indicators that the subject has actionable intelligence that can prevent, disrupt or deny this attack’; and ‘[o]ther interrogation methods have failed to elicit this information within the perceived time limit for preventing the attack.’”
So, by Obama's own words, the reason Los Angeles was spared is because we lost our "moral bearings."

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Chylloh wrote:

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I noticed the poster which is all words and no substance is echoing again.
Funny, how you omitted Clinton was too busy with his zipper to do ANYTHING to captured the terrorist of the Cole murders.
It seems, you two have something in common, you were borned with your brain misplaced.

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SJM_ wrote:

Correction
****Khalid Sheikh Mohammad wasn't even captured until MARCH 2003******

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El Che wrote:

<quoted text>Be careful believing that date. I remember for a while back the Administration of the time was catching guys but not announcing it to the media right away, instead waiting for the time of their choosing to release the capture so as to manipulate the shizzle out of the press and make it work to the Repub. Admin. favor.

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SJM_ wrote:

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It is a FACT that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was captured by the Pakistani government on March 1, 2003 and turned over to the United States sometime after that date. His waterboarding never occured until after March 2003

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mdbuilder wrote:

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Ya think?
By the way, what's your address?

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SJM_ wrote:

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Btw, maybe if you would stop listening to the Fox News propaganda machine you might be able to tell the difference between fact and fiction....

ratttlecattle wrote:

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1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington DC....come an get it!

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United States interrogators killed nearly four dozen detainees during or after their interrogations, according a report published by a human rights researcher based on a Human Rights First report and followup investigations.

Most of those taken captive were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. They include at least one Afghani soldier, Jamal Naseer, who was mistakenly arrested in 2004.“Those arrested with Naseer later said that during interrogations U.S. personnel punched and kicked them, hung them upside down, and hit them with sticks or cables,” Sifton writes.“Some said they were doused with cold water and forced to lie in the snow. Nasser collapsed about two weeks after the arrest, complaining of stomach pain, probably an internal hemorrhage.”

Perhaps the most macabre case occurred in Iraq, which was documented in a Human Rights First report in 2006.

“Nagem Sadoon Hatab… a 52-year-old Iraqi, was killed while in U.S. custody at a holding camp close to Nasiriyah,” the group wrote.“Although a U.S. Army medical examiner found that Hatab had died of strangulation, the evidence that would have been required to secure accountability for his death – Hatab’s body – was rendered unusable in court. Hatab’s internal organs were left exposed on an airport tarmac for hours; in the blistering Baghdad heat, the organs were destroyed; the throat bone that would have supported the Army medical examiner’s findings of strangulation was never found.”

In another graphic instance, a former Iraqi general was beaten by US forces and suffocated to death. The military officer charged in the death was given just 60 days house arrest.

Additionally, Sifton notes the CIA may have had some close calls with detainees nearly dying during interrogations: the May 10, 2005, Bush Administration torture memo by Stephen Bradbury notes that doctors were nearby to perform a tracheotomy if during waterboarding the suspect is approaching death.

“Most seriously, for reasons of physical fatigue of psychological resignation, the subject may simply give up, allowing excessive filling of the airways and loss of consciousness,” Bradbury wrote.“An unresponsive subject should be righted immediately, and the integrator should deliver a sub-xyphoid thrust to expel the water. If this fails to restore normal breathing, aggressive medical intervention is required….’”

The report says CIA doctors were on hand with necessary equipment to perform a tracheotomy if necessary during waterboarding sessions:“[W]e are informed that the necessary emergency medical equipment is always present—although not visible to the detainee—during any application of the waterboard.”

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American_Infidel wrote:

The Obama administration announced there will be no prosecutions for waterboarding...which proves what we've been saying all along waterboarding is LEGAL!
Good guys don't torture and Bush is a good guy. Waterboarding is NOT torture!

Herodotus wrote:

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President Obama is busy fixing a broken economy that Bush left him.
But there is no statute of limitations on torturing prisoners to death... they will get to it.

SJM_ wrote:

Also name one piece of valid information we received from waterboarding? If you can't name one, you need to stop talking about "saving American lives" because you have nothing to back up your statement.

SJM_ wrote:

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SOURCE?
Please try to find one that isn't biased like religion of peace or some other highly slanted website full of bullshit and lies..

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Many people picked up in Afghanistan and Iraq were people defending their homeland or people that came to help defend Muslims lands against Americans. Either way, they've done nothing wrong!!!!

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ratttlecattle wrote:

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That all you can think of......report to IRAQ, we need more LOSERS to act as if we are WINNING.
Al Queda wants more targets..report to Laughanistan instaed.

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ratttlecattle wrote:

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CRICKET is totally full of CRAP.
He is another government propogandist that wants the keep the US at war permanently