Ducking Climate Warming Evidence

Oscar wrote:

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Not skilled. Cheap. The work force here is more skilled but to expensive. In fact jobs that require high skill have stayed here but there aren't that many of them. The average worker annual salary in China is $4400. Some areas in China are half that. It simply is about money although the chinese workers are hard working and intelligent as well.

The unfortunate fact is our labor force is not as skilled. Statistically, we are rather unskilled. That is the reason so much energy is expended in trying to hire skilled labor from foreign countries.

The H-2B visa is always in contention when used for engineers, that we don't have. And not just the 4 year variety, but the technically trained as well.

Oscar wrote:

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Not skilled. Cheap. The work force here is more skilled but to expensive.

The (near) slave labor of China is in competition with automation, NOT skill. But even in North America, wages have NOT kept up with the demands and skills of the workers. The whole issue is that 'jobs' are lauded when you talk about the wealth 'job creators', yet the facts are that the business view is that 'jobs' are 'labor costs' which are negative and to be done away with if possible to provide more funds to pay the 'big boys'.

That said, only about 20% or less of manufacturing is suitable for offshore manufacture. Mostly things which are cheap but change styles fast (like toys) so that it is not worthwhile to build the automation to produce them here.

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litesong wrote:
big-blockhead Chevelle drivers love men, women, children & babies to 'eat their dust'.

Who wrote:

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There's an idea; liberal bullshit is truly the only "renewable" resource.

After this fall's elections, liberals will be on the endangered species list.

Here in Vegas wrote:

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After this fall's elections, liberals will be on the endangered species list.

agree

Here in Vegas wrote:

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After this fall's elections, liberals will be on the endangered species list.

They're already on that list, you mean extinct.

Liberals are now the biggest joke around, everyone is sick of their "progressive", "politically correct" bullshit - except for other liberals of course.

Rambeaux wrote:

When I see palm trees growing here in Philly, I may get concerned.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/43239...

Northie wrote:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/43239...

http://www.florida-palm-trees.com/needle-palm...

"The Needle Palm Tree, scientific name Rhapidophyllum hystrix or Rhapidophylum hystrix, is one of the most cold hardiest palm trees that can tolerate cold down to -5F. It is a great palm for landscape in USDA zones 5-11. This palm can be grown in states like Alaska, Alabama, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Tennessee and more."

Northie wrote:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/43239...

Ok, Rambeau. Time to eat your words.. ;o)

What do you bet he never responds??

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NobodyYouEverWantToKnow wrote:

Ok, Rambeau. Time to eat your words.. ;o)
What do you bet he never responds??

No cigar this time, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, Fun Facts did that for him.
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Now it's your turn to respond, with an explanation of your theory that CO2 is a thermal pollutant, "a greenhouse gas causing 'thermal pollution' of the planet?"

rambutt wrote:

When I see palm trees growing here in Philly, I may get concerned.

How about cactus in drenched Washington state?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opuntia_fra...

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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Ok, Rambeau. Time to eat your words.. ;o)
What do you bet he never responds??

There are a number of palms hardy in Philly, in USDA zone 7.(Of course, 25 years ago that was cooler USDA zone 6, so things might have been different then.)

http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

Fun Facts wrote:

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The unfortunate fact is our labor force is not as skilled. Statistically, we are rather unskilled. That is the reason so much energy is expended in trying to hire skilled labor from foreign countries.
The H-2B visa is always in contention when used for engineers, that we don't have. And not just the 4 year variety, but the technically trained as well.

I am not denying that we can do better with employee training but the reality is that we cannot compete when blue collar workers are paid $200 a month in China. The high skill jobs are staying here but the blue collar jobs are heading to China. Our workers are in fact better trained and better educated. The cost of raw materials and transportation are higher in China. So the only real difference is the cost of labor. CNBC had a two hour documentary on the subject yesterday afternoon. Very informative.

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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The (near) slave labor of China is in competition with automation, NOT skill. But even in North America, wages have NOT kept up with the demands and skills of the workers. The whole issue is that 'jobs' are lauded when you talk about the wealth 'job creators', yet the facts are that the business view is that 'jobs' are 'labor costs' which are negative and to be done away with if possible to provide more funds to pay the 'big boys'.
That said, only about 20% or less of manufacturing is suitable for offshore manufacture. Mostly things which are cheap but change styles fast (like toys) so that it is not worthwhile to build the automation to produce them here.

It isn't about pay to the "big boys". You could eliminate CEO wages and the companies would still move manufacturing to China. Your logic makes the mistake of missing the big picture which is that we are wealthy in North America. In fact almost everyone in North America is in the top 50% of the world's income. Our people on welfare come close to reaching the top ten percent in annual income. As a result we cannot compete with China's work force. And as a result China is producing the goods that are affordable for even the lowest tier people in North America to buy. Those $11 jeans at TJMax are made in China. If they were made here they would be $75. That apple computer is $700 and made in China. If made here it would be $3000.

We spend a lot of time whining about how bad we have it when in fact we have it quite good compared to billions of other people in the world. Maybe it it time to wake up and smell the roses instead of buying into the politics of envy being crammed down our throats.

Nauseous wrote:

There are a number of palms hardy in Philly

Palms hardy?
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Oscar wrote:

Our workers are in fact better trained and better educated.

Which doesn't help much when there's no work for them.
Maybe they should go and live in China.

dragoon70056 wrote:

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Aliens have had control of New York for years. How else does one explain idiots like Bloomberg and Cuomo.

I'm sure the outcome of the democratic selection process IS alien to the likes of you, quite often.:)

Here in Vegas wrote:

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Really. As I recall from school, all plants consume CO2 and H2O to produce C6H12O6 and O2. Our atmosphere should be explosive by now and world hunger solved.

I don't think you're "recalling" your high school science all that well. Been a long time, has it?:)

dragoon70056 wrote:

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LOL. Provide the name of the scientists and/or organizations that collected CO2 data 650,000 years ago, along with proof of their credentials - that would be impressive.
I'd suggest sticking to your night job on FutureRama, but you provide some pretty good laughs on topix too.

Ever hear of glacial ice cores, genius? Now I KNOW you're ignorant. Thanks so much for the update.:)

Northie wrote:

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There are a number of palms hardy in Philly, in USDA zone 7.(Of course, 25 years ago that was cooler USDA zone 6, so things might have been different then.)
http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

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