If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

Mar 28, 2012 | Posted by: JCKS Editor | Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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So in other words you don't have an answer. I asked a simple question that I thought simple minds could answer - guess I was wrong.
I don't know how much simplier I can make it. Sorry, but I guess I'm ill equipped to converse with simple minded folks.

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<quoted text> ... Yep Im king of my own domain. And you Liberal commie socialist parasites had ought naught to do with it. You have no buisness trying to rob the productive.
All I can say Churm, you were born in the wrong time, you belong in the days of the Wild West where you either barted with labor or products and got around on dirt tracks. Today's world is just a touch more sophisticated and while you may never venture into an Art Museum or sip cafe latte in a side walk cafe in uptown Manhattan. Surprising enough some ppl enjoy that more than digging up potatoes out of the field. So to each his/her own I don't condem your lifestyle as you provide a service ppl want, those ppl you are quick to condem also do exactly the same thing. How you label it is your business but neither has less value in a community.

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Europe unemployment average = 12%
Spain = 24% Greece youth =50%
USA = 8.2 % Yet Obama is supposed to be failing to deliver. Even Germany is 6.8% and they are producing goods everyone wants.
So how exactly is Romney going to improve on this ???
He and the GOP are going to magically conjure up a figure that halves these World trends.?? I wonder if they could explain how they would do that.

Not a f...g chance all you will ever hear is just about Obama failing. Oh and of course it goes without saying keep taxes low.
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Europe unemployment average = 12%
Spain = 24% Greece youth =50%
USA = 8.2 % Yet Obama is supposed to be failing to deliver. Even Germany is 6.8% and they are producing goods everyone wants.
So how exactly is Romney going to improve on this ???
He and the GOP are going to magically conjure up a figure that halves these World trends.?? I wonder if they could explain how they would do that.
Not a f...g chance all you will ever hear is just about Obama failing. Oh and of course it goes without saying keep taxes low.
There are too many Takers and not enough Makers. If your a liberal socialist commie parasite Taker then shure Obama is your guy. Romney aint no prize but if your a maker& a producer he is by far the lesser evil.
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July 12, 2012 – SPAIN – Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy announced a swathe of new taxes and spending cuts on Wednesday designed to slash 65 billion euros from the budget deficit by 2014 as recession-plagued Spain struggles to meet tough targets agreed with Europe. Rajoy, of the center-right People’s Party, proposed a 3-point hike in the main rate of Value Added Tax on goods and services to 21 percent, and outlined cuts in unemployment benefits and civil service pay and perks in a parliamentary speech interrupted by jeers and boos from the opposition.“These measures are not pleasant, but they are necessary. Our public spending exceeds our income by tens of billions of euros,” Rajoy told parliament. He also announced new indirect taxes on energy, plans to privatize ports, airports and rail assets, and a reversal of property tax breaks that his party had restored last December. However, he did not touch pensions — keeping one election promise — and said the tax burden was being shifted from direct taxes on labor and income to taxation on consumption. Outside in the streets of Madrid, hundreds of coal miners who had staged a march from northern Spain protested against cuts in mining subsidies they say will put them out of work, as public discontent over austerity measures grows. With five years of economic stagnation and recession, unemployment at 24.4 percent and tax revenue falling, Spain is struggling to meet tough deficit cutting targets agreed with the European Union.-CNBC
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<quoted text> I don't know how much simplier I can make it. Sorry, but I guess I'm ill equipped to converse with simple minded folks.
You never answered the question
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<quoted text> I don't know how much simplier I can make it. Sorry, but I guess I'm ill equipped to converse with simple minded folks.
To remind you - my question was:

how do you justify the hypocrisy of - On the one hand you curse those that you say are leaching off the system. On the other hand you curse the healthcare reforms that stop people from leaching off the system.

Your response was:

The fact you look at a platform with such simplicity, I don't think you would understand it if someone explained it to you. Socialism is not the American way. Expanding centralized govt power in Washington impacts our freedom.

Obviously you can't answer the question.
One poster gave a bunch of talking point only one of which addressed the question - he stated that people will still be getting government assistance to pay for their insurance - an intelligent response, the rest of the points were irrelevant to the question.
I didn't ask about freedom, socialism or the American way.
Wanna try again?
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You never answered the question
Read the posts because you're asking stupid questions that have been answered over and over.
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<quoted text>Read the posts because you're asking stupid questions that have been answered over and over.
I guess I shouldn't have expected anything better from you - no the question has not been answered, because in order to answer it you have to admit you are a hypocrite.
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To remind you - my question was:
how do you justify the hypocrisy of - On the one hand you curse those that you say are leaching off the system. On the other hand you curse the healthcare reforms that stop people from...
As I said, you seem incapable of following basic conversation. Your simple minded question does not address the complexities of socialized medicine.

obamascare will increase the tax liability on the middle class. It will be an additional burden on taxpayers who mostly have their own insurance already. It will cause them to have less coverage by forcing them into the inferior govt. plan. In other words, obama will create more leeches with this system, not less.

The few who will pay the tax will not cover their actual costs. It will simply increase the burden to those that are paying. These people were paying already before but now they will get less coverage and it will cost them more in taxes.'affordable care act' was the means to get socialized care in the United States and nothing more. If you recall the dingbat pelosi didn't even bother to read the bill, didn't matter to her. This historic move will increase our debt, grow big govt, lower the standards of health care for everyone and limit the best of the best of health care to the liberal elite. This act of deception will hurt the middle class by adding to an already unreasonable amount of debt. This is not a case of comparing one leech to another. It's a case of the liberal elite creating a caste system of royals and peasants.... A system of more dependents to the ever growing and powerful govt.

obama has shipped in his voting base of illegals who will burden this newly formed healthcare system by leeching off of taxpayers. They will pay the minimum when and if they can. You don't know the extent of the waivers....of which will be plenty. If you are shipping in poor, you are shipping in Medicaid which is bankrupt because the govt. can't manage health care as it is. This scam creates an entire society of leeches created by the liberal elites.

So to put it as simply as I can....obamascare forces almost everyone to become leeches while at the same time forcing the middle class to pay for this scam.

Medicaid and Medicare are scams which forces the citizens to feed leeches and create more who don't want to become leeches as in Medicare. The govt has created a system to force people who become a certain age to take Medicare. They don't have a choice, thanks to the govt. They can buy expensive supplemental insurance but that's about the all choices they have.

Discussing this issue involves many pieces and parts. If you think it's a matter of asking a single question, you are a fool.

The govt must get out of health care and quit creating leeches and dependents. Conservatives want the govt out of their lives. Get it?
What to do with the uninsured you ask?
1. Reduce govt spending enough to cover the costs for the poor. Close down the dept of Education and use those funds to care for the leeches of society. Get rid of all the useless programs which could be listed on a public audit. I'm sure we will find plenty of govt funded cockroach races and clown shows to cover medical costs for a century.
2. Put an end for govt subsidized baby making. If you keep having babies you can't afford you should have to give them up and if it continues you go on bc or no assistance at all.
3. close the borders and send all the illegals back.
4. If you take any govt assistance you must NOT have any kids while on assistance. BC is mandatory.
5, you give up your right to sue
6. get the minium of services as govt health care is only a temporary program
7. allow for more competition
8. provide tax incentives for drs who have to take less fees for services through insurance
9. We can create a safety net but it shouldn't be comfortable or desirable. It should only as a last resort.
10. And that's just a start to a long process.
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The real effect of the healthcare bill will be the increased demand for nurses. Our site will give you everything you need to prepare yourself for that.
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So you finally decided to try and answer the question. You still came up short from the actual question, but I guess you're having trouble understanding it.
You are right about one thing these issues are multifaceted, and that is the problem with the conservatives. They think it is as easy as eliminate spending, you don't stop to think how by eliminating one part of the spending will cost society three times as much.
I'm glad you tried to answer, but I did find the ignorance an inhumanity in your response beyond comprehension. Thankfully people of your mindset are few and far between and won't ever be responsible for making decisions that affect the common good.
For any good ideas and intelligent thought you have it is deleted by comments about forcing parents to give up their children just because they fall upon hard times. What about all those wealthy families who lost everything when the stock market plummeted - who would you have given their babies to.
Close the borders and send the illegals back - yeah we see how well that worked out in Alabama.
Your assumptions about taxes going up and your basic ramblings are just that - assumptions, for every "report" that gives all this doomsday predictions about higher taxes there's another report that counters it or in many cases just flat out lies.
As for not reading the bill before it passed - please don't tell me you actually believe that most bills are read before voted on, surely you are not that naive - the only difference is this time Pelosi was stupid enough to admit it. Our own governor here in Kansas said on record that he would sign any anti-abortion law that came across is desk and he wouldn't need to read it and didn't care what was in it as long as it was an anti-abortion bill.
That whole idea of the conservative mantra for smaller governement is a fallicy. You want smaller governement, but yet you want government to tell us who can and cannot marry. You want the government to ban abortions but then you come up with the bright a$$ idea about not allowing pregnant women keep their babies if they get government assistance.
Thank you for the attempt, fortunately for you - you will be able to continue living with the rules made by clearer heads.
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Health care reform not bad news for hospitals

Thursday, 12 Jul 2012, 12:37 PM EDT


FORT WAYNE, Ind.(WANE)- The health care reform law will affect different people and businesses differently. The top executives of northeast Indiana's two hospital networks said the changes will be mostly positive for their hospitals.

After the Supreme Court upheld the overhaul plan as constitutional, NewsChannel 15 looked into how it could affect the average person and a small business .

"For us, it's business as usual," Mike Packnett, CEO of Parkview Health, said. "We really believe many aspects of the new bill were good. The best thing is more people will be covered under the new act and I think that's great for this region."

Watch the video in this story to hear Packnett talk about what he thinks the pros and cons of the law are.

CEO of Lutheran Health Network, Joe Dorko, also said the law will be good for hospitals.

"Our hospitals are mandated by Federal law to provide medically necessary emergency care for patients regardless of whether they have insurance or the ability to pay for services. Expanded coverage will reduce the burden of uncompensated care, helping to ensure we are reimbursed for the services we provide and making us stronger which benefits everyone," he said.

In 2009, NewsChannel 15 did a special report on the bad debt hospitals have to compensate for because of treating uninsured patients.

On Wednesday, The Republican-led House voted to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law for the 33rd time. Like the previous repeal efforts, this will also likely die in the Democrat-controlled Senate.

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<quoted text>As I said, you seem incapable of following basic conversation. Your simple minded question does not address the complexities of socialized medicine.
obamascare will increase the tax liability on the middle class. It will be an additional burden on taxpayers who mostly have their own insurance already. It will cause them to have less coverage by forcing them into the inferior govt. plan. In other words, obama will create more leeches with this system, not less.
The few who will pay the tax will not cover their actual costs. It will simply increase the burden to those that are paying. These people were paying already before but now they will get less coverage and it will cost them more in taxes.'affordable care act' was the means to get socialized care in the United States and nothing more. If you recall the dingbat pelosi didn't even bother to read the bill, didn't matter to her. This historic move will increase our debt, grow big govt, lower the standards of health care for everyone and limit the best of the best of health care to the liberal elite. This act of deception will hurt the middle class by adding to an already unreasonable amount of debt. This is not a case of comparing one leech to another. It's a case of the liberal elite creating a caste system of royals and peasants.... A system of more dependents to the ever growing and powerful govt.
obama has shipped in his voting base of illegals who will burden this newly formed healthcare system by leeching off of taxpayers. They will pay the minimum when and if they can. You don't know the extent of the waivers....of which will be plenty. If you are shipping in poor, you are shipping in Medicaid which is bankrupt because the govt. can't manage health care as it is. This scam creates an entire society of leeches created by the liberal elites.
So to put it as simply as I can....obamascare forces almost everyone to become leeches while at the same time forcing the middle class to pay for this scam.
Medicaid and Medicare are scams which forces the citizens to feed leeches and create more who don't want to become leeches as in Medicare. The govt has created a system to force people who become a certain age to take Medicare. They don't have a choice, thanks to the govt. They can buy expensive supplemental insurance but that's about the all choices they have.
Discussing this issue involves many pieces and parts. If you think it's a matter of asking a single question, you are a fool.
The govt must get out of health care and quit creating leeches and dependents. Conservatives want the govt out of their lives. Get it?
What to do with the uninsured you ask?
1. Reduce govt spending enough to cover the costs for the poor. Close down the dept of Education and use those funds to care for the leeches of society. Get rid of all the useless programs which could be listed on a public audit. I'm sure we will find plenty of govt funded cockroach races and clown shows to cover medical costs for a century.
2. Put an end for govt subsidized baby making. If you keep having babies you can't afford you should have to give them up and if it continues you go on bc or no assistance at all.
3. close the borders and send all the illegals back.
4. If you take any govt assistance you must NOT have any kids while on assistance. BC is mandatory.
5, you give up your right to sue
6. get the minium of services as govt health care is only a temporary program
7. allow for more competition
8. provide tax incentives for drs who have to take less fees for services through insurance
9. We can create a safety net but it shouldn't be comfortable or desirable. It should only as a last resort.
10. And that's just a start to a long process.
Illegals cannot vote.
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Illegals cannot vote.
That's the law, but watch out.......obottom may allow them to anyway.
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I guess I shouldn't have expected anything better from you - no the question has not been answered, because in order to answer it you have to admit you are a hypocrite.
I can certainly see why it is so easy to brainwash the masses when they are as ignorant as you are. I have answered your simple minded question. I am not responsible for the fact that you are too stupid to comprehend the answer. The hypocrisy is found within the liberal elite platform. They want you to rely on the govt. Conservatives do not. We want LESS govt. We want less taxes and more deductions so we pay less taxes. Nothing hypocritical about that.
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When are are converted to citizens they will. oduma is trying to buy votes.
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That's the law, but watch out..........obottom may let them do it anyway, just to get them to kiss his a--

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I Think the story on the boy who lost his arm to a gator pretty much sums up how f...d up the health system is as it stands. No sooner had it happened a web page appeared asking for donations to pay his medical bills.

When you have that sort of system totally geared around the dollar it's never going to deliver. So why do the right always defend the status quo.
Especially when places like the Vets hospital are known worldwide for leading edge best in the world treatment. However the rest of the population is never exposed to anywhere near that level unless you have deep pockets and Romney is saying you better have deeper pockets when we change it back to failed again.

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