The President has failed us

EAGLE EYE1 wrote:

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Yea and obama's tour bus was built in Canada as well.. I know he didn't built that either the Canadians did while we have unemployed Americans.. LOL.. All things aside you gotta admit that was a foolish comment obama made..
Eagle

"All things aside you gotta admit that was a foolish comment obama made.."

No I don't.

Look, when the Obama campaign twisted what Romney had said into something completely different I was on here complaining about it.

I feel the same way when conservatives distort a comment that Obama made, intentionally use it out of context and try and pretend they don't know what the hell people like me are talking about when we say "knock it off".

I guess I'm just tired of the game.

boot the failure BO wrote:

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More of your denial, do you know where i might find an honest democrat? Clearly it's not you.

Well, score one for YOU! You're right! Nevertheless, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a registered Independent.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>The end result of Bush's choices brings us to where we were and the edge we still teeter on today, Eagle. He spent on wars, and he spent on prescription drug coverage at the rate of hundreds of billions of dollars, and I would ask you to consider whether or not the American people were better served, or the Pharmaceutical industry?
WIKI
Excerpt: For the first time ever, in 2006, global spending on prescription drugs topped $643 billion, even as growth slowed somewhat in Europe and North America. The United States accounts for almost half of the global pharmaceutical market, with $289 billion in annual sales followed by the EU and Japan.(pdf) Emerging markets such as China, Russia, South Korea and Mexico outpaced that market, growing a huge 81 percent.[42]

(Yeah, it's wikipedia - but, it's a quick glance at who made out like bandits.)
And, who are the top spending lobbyists:
US Chamber of Commerce $885,975,680
General Electric $274,100,000
American Medical Assn $274,017,500
American Hospital Assn $225,269,136
Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $224,263,920
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php...

We are on the edge today because of obama.. With my new insurance my first 3 scrips didn't cost a penny..

"Excerpt: For the first time ever, in 2006, global spending on prescription drugs topped $643 billion, even as growth slowed somewhat in Europe and North America. The United States accounts for almost half of the global pharmaceutical market, with $289 billion in annual sales followed by the EU and Japan.(pdf) Emerging markets such as China, Russia, South Korea and Mexico outpaced that market, growing a huge 81 percent.[42]"

Well thats a no brainer.. We have better health care than the rest of the world..

"US profit growth was maintained even whilst other top industries saw little or no growth.[43] Despite this, "..the pharmaceutical industry is — and has been for years — the most profitable of all businesses in the U.S. In the annual Fortune 500 survey, the pharmaceutical industry topped the list of the most profitable industries, with a return of 17% on revenue."

Like they should I really don't see your point here.. Research and development cost money and private money to boot..

Eagle

JackMcIntosh wrote:

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"All things aside you gotta admit that was a foolish comment obama made.."
No I don't.
Look, when the Obama campaign twisted what Romney had said into something completely different I was on here complaining about it.
I feel the same way when conservatives distort a comment that Obama made, intentionally use it out of context and try and pretend they don't know what the hell people like me are talking about when we say "knock it off".
I guess I'm just tired of the game.

Were all tired Jack so who gets you vote??

Sugarland-- Something More
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Eagle

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>Nobody will be making any references to any such thing....
They will be more focused on what Obama promised to build and didn't succeed at doing with the citizens' wealth, for the citizen and our nation of citizens....

"Nobody will be making any references to any such thing...."

Wanna bet?

Some republican will refer to the "didn't build it" thing next week in Tampa and at the democratic convention some dumbass will refer to the "I like firing people" thing.

We've skipped "silly season" and jumped straight into stupid.

EAGLE EYE1 wrote:

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Were all tired Jack so who gets you vote??
Sugarland-- Something More
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Eagle

Right now?

Nobody.

I'm serious.

I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Romney/Ryan and I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Obama/Biden, but I'll be damned if I can think of a good reason that anybody SHOULD vote for either one.

I do have big problems with Romnmey and Ryan and the far right wing of the conservative world has had me feeling my liberal roots lately.

I'm just not happy about any of it.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>The end result of Bush's choices brings us to where we were and the edge we still teeter on today, Eagle. He spent on wars, and he spent on prescription drug coverage at the rate of hundreds of billions of dollars, and I would ask you to consider whether or not the American people were better served, or the Pharmaceutical industry?
WIKI
Excerpt: For the first time ever, in 2006, global spending on prescription drugs topped $643 billion, even as growth slowed somewhat in Europe and North America. The United States accounts for almost half of the global pharmaceutical market, with $289 billion in annual sales followed by the EU and Japan.(pdf) Emerging markets such as China, Russia, South Korea and Mexico outpaced that market, growing a huge 81 percent.[42]
US profit growth was maintained even whilst other top industries saw little or no growth.[43] Despite this, "..the pharmaceutical industry is — and has been for years — the most profitable of all businesses in the U.S. In the annual Fortune 500 survey, the pharmaceutical industry topped the list of the most profitable industries, with a return of 17% on revenue.
(Yeah, it's wikipedia - but, it's a quick glance at who made out like bandits.)
And, who are the top spending lobbyists:
US Chamber of Commerce $885,975,680
General Electric $274,100,000
American Medical Assn $274,017,500
American Hospital Assn $225,269,136
Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of America $224,263,920
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php...

Looks like liberals have now singled out the drug industry for destruction.

EAGLE EYE1 wrote:

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We are on the edge today because of obama.. With my new insurance my first 3 scrips didn't cost a penny..
"Excerpt: For the first time ever, in 2006, global spending on prescription drugs topped $643 billion, even as growth slowed somewhat in Europe and North America. The United States accounts for almost half of the global pharmaceutical market, with $289 billion in annual sales followed by the EU and Japan.(pdf) Emerging markets such as China, Russia, South Korea and Mexico outpaced that market, growing a huge 81 percent.[42]"
Well thats a no brainer.. We have better health care than the rest of the world..
"US profit growth was maintained even whilst other top industries saw little or no growth.[43] Despite this, "..the pharmaceutical industry is — and has been for years — the most profitable of all businesses in the U.S. In the annual Fortune 500 survey, the pharmaceutical industry topped the list of the most profitable industries, with a return of 17% on revenue."
Like they should I really don't see your point here.. Research and development cost money and private money to boot..
Eagle

Yes, your first three scrips did cost a penny - a pretty penny in tax dollars. Because you're covered, they were "free" for you, but they come at a cost to government, and government has not gone far enough in controlling those costs for TAXPAYERS who pay into the system and whose tax contributions continue to be eaten up covering healthcare costs (including prescription medications) which comprise 18% of our GDP versus 8% for Israel's socialized healthcare system. That's one of the areas of the ACA I detest most and one which Obama admits caving to Big Pharma demands in order to get it passed. Taxpayers pay for pharmaceutical companies to advertise their patented drugs by affording them a tax write-off for Propecia or whatever the heck "special" drug appears on the television screen. They get to deduct those costs from their tax obligations. It's a very lucrative business they have. Now, research and development are different, and if we subsidize those costs, all who need those drugs will benefit. The only way you would realize how completely outrageous drugs can be is if you price them directly (without prescription coverage) here in the USA and compare that price for the same drug sold in Thailand under the exact same conditions and standards. You might be appalled at the difference in cost to the American consumer. Big Pharma got hip to the fact that we had figured out how to order our drugs from Canada, and now we are "protected" by the FDA from those imported drugs even though they are the exact same medicines, albeit at a greatly reduced price.

JackMcIntosh wrote:

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Right now?
Nobody.
I'm serious.
I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Romney/Ryan and I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Obama/Biden, but I'll be damned if I can think of a good reason that anybody SHOULD vote for either one.
I do have big problems with Romnmey and Ryan and the far right wing of the conservative world has had me feeling my liberal roots lately.
I'm just not happy about any of it.

Are you really going to stay home on election day? I'm going to lay odds you can't do that. I bet you will find some kind of resolve to go cast a vote for whichever is the lesser of the two evils in your mind that morning.;-)

JackMcIntosh wrote:

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Right now?
Nobody.
I'm serious.
I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Romney/Ryan and I can spend all day thinking of reasons why a person should never vote for Obama/Biden, but I'll be damned if I can think of a good reason that anybody SHOULD vote for either one.
I do have big problems with Romnmey and Ryan and the far right wing of the conservative world has had me feeling my liberal roots lately.
I'm just not happy about any of it.

I understand your pain but I just can't see 4 more years of the same.. We need somewhat a leader that is willing to work with congress and I just don't see that in obama.. He wasted his 2 years of political will on HC and could care less of the economy.. Vote as you will but he will not get my vote..

Eagle

boot the failure BO wrote:

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None of which I agreed with, voted for by both parties and most of which has been paid back.
With the exception of GM, which was nothing more than a payoff to the unions , truly a disgrace, screwing everyone except the union members.
Do you know what congress does 99% of the time?

US Oil conglomerates brought out Most of the Republican in House each get $150,OO0 ANd those who veto no FOR OIL PROJECTS gets $70,000 for their effort! mONEY BUYS VOTES --- cORPRATISM AT WORK !

How you gonna paid back $17.7 Trillion USD with what ,and that is what our corrupted /greedy US 'Too Big to fail" investment Banks did to US on global Scale ? Taxpayers Money? how About a Global lawsuit aimed at America? Our Govt bailout with what Printing Monmey our of thin air, oh year what this do to America and World ?

u now about what US fed Res. firing up another round of global Macroeconomic wars, its impact will do and future concurent conequences will do on World and at home

Congress 99% of the time give the "F! off' Word and kick Americans to the side and the Legislative Bills on Issues are stacked up to the tilt and other 99% time Panders to Special interest/Corporate.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, your first three scrips did cost a penny - a pretty penny in tax dollars. Because you're covered, they were "free" for you, but they come at a cost to government, and government has not gone far enough in controlling those costs for TAXPAYERS who pay into the system and whose tax contributions continue to be eaten up covering healthcare costs (including prescription medications) which comprise 18% of our GDP versus 8% for Israel's socialized healthcare system. That's one of the areas of the ACA I detest most and one which Obama admits caving to Big Pharma demands in order to get it passed. Taxpayers pay for pharmaceutical companies to advertise their patented drugs by affording them a tax write-off for Propecia or whatever the heck "special" drug appears on the television screen. They get to deduct those costs from their tax obligations. It's a very lucrative business they have. Now, research and development are different, and if we subsidize those costs, all who need those drugs will benefit. The only way you would realize how completely outrageous drugs can be is if you price them directly (without prescription coverage) here in the USA and compare that price for the same drug sold in Thailand under the exact same conditions and standards. You might be appalled at the difference in cost to the American consumer. Big Pharma got hip to the fact that we had figured out how to order our drugs from Canada, and now we are "protected" by the FDA from those imported drugs even though they are the exact same medicines, albeit at a greatly reduced price.

If I read the other thread right before I had little one's post removed you were already getting SS.. You should already know I pay close to a hundred bucks a month without ever seeing a doc.. That will more than cover my generic meds and a visit now and then..

Eagle

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>UI, the American people are extraordinarily frustrated with their Congress and government. We KNOW that things are not right, that corruption holds sway over almost every aspect of our lives under plutocratic rule. We don't actually have a lot of options aside from a unified effort to change how those who run for office are funded, and The Supreme Court has made that battle even a much higher hurdle today. Nevertheless, we must elect one of the two bad choices and by so doing, we are putting on notice our corrupt d*mned Congress as to which guy's ideas we support.
In that light and short of tearing the whole place to smithereens and moving into anarchy, WHICH of the two, in your opinion, is better for America? Do you have a choice of either one as being less objectionable than the other? If so, why?

If not resolve soon, it gonna get ugly , Instabilty breed choas, lets hop it does not happen.

Whole system is morally Bankrupt! As to Two evil it is really One BIG evil know. With the Electrol System corrupted, what does that tell u?
Both are puppets to imperial directive , must follow order, what good is a vote, the system is gamed! Smokes and Mirrors!

Here some thing for all ruminate abour

Those man in power with reason(s) but without/lack off morals will do what to a nation and the world?

positronium wrote:

<quoted text>He has failed the office of the presidency.....

100%

August 17, 2012

On June 8th Barack Obama told the American people that he believes “the private sector is doing fine”. He followed that up on July 26th by telling a crowd that,“we tried our plan, and it worked.”

Well has it worked? The AP has released a finding that, along with dozens of other reports, show that Obama’s plan has not been as successful as the administration would like you to think . In fact, the AP reports that Obama’s economy is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.

Paul Wiseman of the Associated Press states,“Since World War II, 10 U.S. recessions have been followed by a recovery that lasted at least three years. An Associated Press analysis shows that by just about any measure, the one that began in June 2009 is the weakest… Economic growth has never been weaker in a postwar recovery. Consumer spending has never been so slack. Only once has job growth been slower.”

The main components of the slowed recovery are feeble growth, exhausted consumers, the jobs hole and shrinking paychecks. Via TheBlaze.com :

Feeble Growth:

America’s gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic output — grew 6.8 percent from the April-June quarter of 2009 through the same quarter this year, the slowest in the first three years of a postwar recovery. GDP grew an average of 15.5 percent in the first three years of the eight other comebacks analyzed. The engines that usually drive recoveries aren’t firing this time.

Exhausted Consumers:

Consumer spending has grown just 6.5 percent since the recession ended, feeblest in a postwar recovery. In the first three years of previous recoveries, spending rose an average of nearly 14 percent.

It’s no mystery why consumers are being frugal. Many have lost access to credit, which fueled their spending in the 2000s. Home equity has evaporated and credit cards have been canceled. Falling home prices have slashed home equity 49 percent, from $13.2 trillion in 2005 to $6.7 trillion early this year

Jobs Hole:

The economy shed a staggering 8.8 million jobs during and shortly after the recession. Since employment hit bottom, the economy has created just over 4 million jobs. So the new hiring has replaced 46 percent of the lost jobs, by far the worst performance since World War II. In the previous eight recoveries, the economy had regained more than 350 percent of the jobs lost, on average.

During the 1981-82 Recession, the U.S. lost 2.8 million jobs. In the three years and one month after that recession ended, the economy added 9.8 million – replacing the 2.8 million and adding 7 million more.

Never before have so many Americans been unemployed for so long - three years into a recovery. Nearly 5.2 million have been out of work for six months or more. The long-term unemployed account for 41 percent of the jobless; the highest mark in the other recoveries was 22 percent.

Shrinking Paychecks:

Earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers — a category that covers about 80 percent of the private, nonfarm workforce — have risen just over 6.2 percent since June 2009. Consumer prices have risen nearly 7.2 percent. Adjusted for inflation, wages have fallen 0.8 percent. In the previous five recoveries -the records go back only to 1964 – real wages had gone up an average 1.5 percent at this point

There is a very clear choice for this November: Barack Obama who considers this report as “doing fine” and the Democratic plan as “working, or Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan who have real fiscal sense and proven track records when it comes to jobs and budgets. One thing is clear, America can’t afford four more years of Barack Obama.

AP News.

He's failed us ON PURPOSE. Go see the movie "2016" and you'll understand why. He's got a plan,...and it's to screw everyone.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>Are you really going to stay home on election day? I'm going to lay odds you can't do that. I bet you will find some kind of resolve to go cast a vote for whichever is the lesser of the two evils in your mind that morning.;-)

In the end I'll decide what is the right thing to do and I'll do it...but I'm probably going to whine about it for a while first.

;)

Executive Orders

After today's announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years. I found this article in Western Journalism that scares the crap out of me and should frighten all of us. Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous...



A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders

JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH



There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.



* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.

* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.

* Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

* Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.

* Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.



It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health.he has it covered.



While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution.

boot the failure BO wrote:

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If GWB and the repubs hadn't done the prescription drug thing, dems/libs would have been screaming for it, it's right up their alley, more freebies, help the poor, the elderly, can you deny it?

You say that like it's a bad thing, to help the elderly and the poor. I suppose you aren't one of those conservatives who complain about "death panels" in Obamacare. Besides, the only ones to benefit from Bush's prescription plan deal were the pharmaceutical companies.

Vance1 wrote:

Executive Orders
After today's announcement by our President to give illegal aliens quasi citizenship by fiat, I looked into the executive orders he has issued in the last three and a half years. I found this article in Western Journalism that scares the crap out of me and should frighten all of us. Get out the vote in November folks!!! This guy is dangerous...
A Comprehensive List Of Obama's Worst Executive Orders
JUNE 15, 2012 BY LAURIE ROTH
There have been over 900 Executive Orders put forth from Obama, and he is not even through his first term yet. He is creating a martial law 'Disney Land' of control covering everything imaginable. Some of the executive orders he has signed recently have been exposed thanks to 'Friends of Conservative Action Alerts.' They have compiled a choice list of 'Emergency Powers, Martial law executive orders': Get your headache medication out while you still can without a prescription.
* Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
* Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.
* Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
* Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
* Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.
* Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
* Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.
* Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
* Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
* Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
It is more than clear that Obama is planning for the total control and takeover of America via Martial Law. Food, energy, transportation, work, banking, and health.he has it covered.
While Obama is busy pulling executive orders out of the sky to control everything inside our country, he has been issuing executive orders to force us to submit to international regulations instead of our Constitution.

Obama is setting the OWG stage. He wishes to be the World Dictator.
He is turning our military into a mechanism to be used against us.

EAGLE EYE1 wrote:

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I understand your pain but I just can't see 4 more years of the same.. We need somewhat a leader that is willing to work with congress and I just don't see that in obama.. He wasted his 2 years of political will on HC and could care less of the economy.. Vote as you will but he will not get my vote..
Eagle

That's a shame, since he's the ONLY one of the two major party candidates that is concerned with the middle class. He's done an excellent job, as good as any, under the circumstances, working with a belligerent congress. It's not the President that needs to be replaced, but the do nothing congress, especially the tea party members and the republicans that only seem to be interested in making Obama a one term President.