Obama Announces Full Support for Gay Marriage

May 9, 2012 Full story: politix.topix.com 26,178

It's a historic day for gay rights activists: Obama has just announced his support for gay marriage.

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“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13709 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that men married women and not each other is a time-long tradition....you can't change history...not even gay propaganda can do that.....
A lot of things that are righteous are not long timed traditions.

Slavery being abolished.

Free citizens.

The ability for those other than royalty to own land.

Now maybe you're as stupid as to want to go back to 1723 but not too many others are keen about the idea.

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13710 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
States don't have to restrict the same way....that's what makes us the United States...each state is different....
And yet united.

Common themes in terms of law.

Gaaaawd you're more lost than a deaf bat.

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13711 Jul 19, 2012
Boogle Eyed wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a dumb bitch.
Foul language? Like inferring gays are less human or vile?
I think you need to reflect on that one hag.
..abuse notice sent....

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13712 Jul 19, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Inflatable sheep don't count, but thanks for trying.
LOL! Another good one...

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13713 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
..abuse notice sent....
Ohhhhh.....don't do THAT....

ROFL!!!

Send another one wench. You're nothing but some caustic idiot who thinks her negative opinion of gays should rule.

Sucks when you're more ignorant than someone jumping into a running tree chiper to retrieve a kite stuck there earlier doesn't it?

LOL!!!

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13714 Jul 19, 2012
A wonderful caption on moms and dads and how kids need them.....

Moms and Dads are Best for Kids
by Joseph Backholm

The debate over redefining marriage is a question about whether there is any difference between a relationship involving a man and a woman and one with people of the same gender.

Proponents of real marriage have long argued that one key difference is the ability or inability to provide a child both a mother and father. In response, proponents of same-sex marriage have argued that children don’t need a mother and father.

On Sunday, the Washington Times produced a study by Professor Mark Regnerus from the Univeristy of Texas that found there was actually a dramatic difference for children raised in a married mother/father household and children raised by two parents of the same gender. The key differences are summarized here.

As a result of the study Prof. Regnerus stated that,“The empirical claim that no notable differences exist most go.”

The study used a “gold standard” data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults and looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional, and relational outcomes.

According to the Washington Times story, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories.

The complete study can be found here.

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13715 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
A wonderful caption on moms and dads and how kids need them.....
Moms and Dads are Best for Kids
by Joseph Backholm
The debate over redefining marriage is a question about whether there is any difference between a relationship involving a man and a woman and one with people of the same gender.
Proponents of real marriage have long argued that one key difference is the ability or inability to provide a child both a mother and father. In response, proponents of same-sex marriage have argued that children don’t need a mother and father.
On Sunday, the Washington Times produced a study by Professor Mark Regnerus from the Univeristy of Texas that found there was actually a dramatic difference for children raised in a married mother/father household and children raised by two parents of the same gender. The key differences are summarized here.
As a result of the study Prof. Regnerus stated that,“The empirical claim that no notable differences exist most go.”
The study used a “gold standard” data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults and looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional, and relational outcomes.
According to the Washington Times story, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories.
The complete study can be found here.
A complete study can be cfound where given you advised of no link.

Idiot.

Add to that this too if even remotely true could be biased.

Next.

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13716 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>
..abuse notice sent....
Send another you caustic wench.

Shit....send SIX.

ROFL!!!!

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13717 Jul 19, 2012
More good stuff on how important moms/dads are to children....

Once Again, Research Finds that Moms and Dads Matter

Redefining the definition of marriage is front and center in the ongoing culture war. Many favor keeping marriage as it has been for the entirety of Western Civilization, while others favor allowing two people of the same sex to “marry.”

Setting aside the moral arguments, some have opined that if children turn out just as well in same sex couple households as traditional households, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to one man and one woman. This idea has taken hold over the past few years because of studies that conclude that there is no demonstrable difference between children’s outcomes in these two different arrangements—leading some to proclaim that disagreements this conclusion are “beyond serious debate.”

On the contrary, the debate has just begun. The studies that proponents of redefining marriage fall back on are seriously flawed, as Christine Kim of the Heritage Foundation exposes. The methodology of most of these studies makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.

First was the sampling strategy. Of the 44 studies commonly referenced to equate same-sex parenting with parenting by a biological mother and father, only five used probability samples. Probability samples give every member in the broader group of interest an equal chance of being selected for the study. This makes it possible to draw conclusions about the population at large from the results of the study’s sample. The remaining studies used convenience samples that save time and money, but are not representative of the population as a whole—so conclusions should not be made about the greater population.

Another major fault of these studies is the use, and sometimes non-use of comparison groups. Christine Kim succinctly explains why comparison groups are important:

“Ideally, these two groups should be identical except for the characteristic of interest that is being tested—in the case of same-sex parenting, the parents’ sexual orientation or relationship status. However, a surprising number of same-sex parenting studies have no opposite-sex comparison groups.”

This is 'very' true...

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13718 Jul 19, 2012
There is more!.......

Many of the studies that claim children do just as well in same-sex households don’t compare them to a control group. These studies can describe the results they found, but in no way can they make comparisons to traditional households when there was not a group comprised of these families in their study.

Furthermore, in many of the studies that used comparison groups, the traditional mother-father dynamic was absent. Some studies used single-mother households as a comparison group, and others were vague about the family structure. Clearly, conclusions based on these studies deserve skepticism. However, a recent study has been released that provides much more information to this topic.

We've been saying this all along...

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13719 Jul 19, 2012
The key words here are 'random sampling'.....

A New Family Structures Study (NFSS) from the University of Texas used a random national sample of almost 3,000 young people, raised in several different family types that were clearly categorized. Researchers looked at 40 different variables to measure social, emotional, and relationship well-being. The results were starkly different than previous studies:

25 of the 40 measures showed significant differences between young adults who were raised by mothers who had a same-sex relationship, and those who spent their entire childhood with both their married, biological parents.
These children (now young adults) reported significantly lower levels of income, more receipt of public welfare, and lower levels of employment.
These children reported poorer mental and physical health, poorer relationship quality with current partner, and higher levels of smoking and criminality.
Due to the stronger methodology, this study casts much doubt on the conclusions of previous studies. While the results were conclusive, it would be good to see another large-scale study that confirms these findings, if only to put to rest any criticisms of this single study. At a minimum, policymakers and the public at large should reconsider whether the redefinition of marriage actually helps children and instead seek effective ways to encourage strong, healthy marriages between men and women and the children they produce.

This new study serves as just one more reminder, and another addition to decades of social science research, that confirm children do best when raised by their married mom and dad.

...but we already knew that didn't we?????

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#13720 Jul 19, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
You said not5hingt about impregnation. A guy with no sperm can st8ill have sex (physically interact) with a woman, can't he?
<quoted text>
You wrote this:

cpeter1313 wrote:
As a man, I am also "..anatomically equipped to interact, physically..." with other men. Why the hell do you think this would be an issue if we could not?

And I responded with this:
You have impregnated how many men?

The point being that the core purpose of sex, and the way men and women are designed, is reproduction, requiring both sexes. Any thing beyond that is just that.

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13721 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
More good stuff on how important moms/dads are to children....
Once Again, Research Finds that Moms and Dads Matter
Redefining the definition of marriage is front and center in the ongoing culture war. Many favor keeping marriage as it has been for the entirety of Western Civilization, while others favor allowing two people of the same sex to “marry.”
Setting aside the moral arguments, some have opined that if children turn out just as well in same sex couple households as traditional households, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to one man and one woman. This idea has taken hold over the past few years because of studies that conclude that there is no demonstrable difference between children’s outcomes in these two different arrangements—leading some to proclaim that disagreements this conclusion are “beyond serious debate.”
On the contrary, the debate has just begun. The studies that proponents of redefining marriage fall back on are seriously flawed, as Christine Kim of the Heritage Foundation exposes. The methodology of most of these studies makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.
First was the sampling strategy. Of the 44 studies commonly referenced to equate same-sex parenting with parenting by a biological mother and father, only five used probability samples. Probability samples give every member in the broader group of interest an equal chance of being selected for the study. This makes it possible to draw conclusions about the population at large from the results of the study’s sample. The remaining studies used convenience samples that save time and money, but are not representative of the population as a whole—so conclusions should not be made about the greater population.
Another major fault of these studies is the use, and sometimes non-use of comparison groups. Christine Kim succinctly explains why comparison groups are important:
“Ideally, these two groups should be identical except for the characteristic of interest that is being tested—in the case of same-sex parenting, the parents’ sexual orientation or relationship status. However, a surprising number of same-sex parenting studies have no opposite-sex comparison groups.”
This is 'very' true...
Biased source...and still no links.

Sounds like you're trying to baffle with bullshit missy.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#13722 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
More good stuff on how important moms/dads are to children....
Once Again, Research Finds that Moms and Dads Matter
Redefining the definition of marriage is front and center in the ongoing culture war. Many favor keeping marriage as it has been for the entirety of Western Civilization, while others favor allowing two people of the same sex to “marry.”
Setting aside the moral arguments, some have opined that if children turn out just as well in same sex couple households as traditional households, then there is no reason to restrict marriage to one man and one woman. This idea has taken hold over the past few years because of studies that conclude that there is no demonstrable difference between children’s outcomes in these two different arrangements—leading some to proclaim that disagreements this conclusion are “beyond serious debate.”
On the contrary, the debate has just begun. The studies that proponents of redefining marriage fall back on are seriously flawed, as Christine Kim of the Heritage Foundation exposes. The methodology of most of these studies makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.
First was the sampling strategy. Of the 44 studies commonly referenced to equate same-sex parenting with parenting by a biological mother and father, only five used probability samples. Probability samples give every member in the broader group of interest an equal chance of being selected for the study. This makes it possible to draw conclusions about the population at large from the results of the study’s sample. The remaining studies used convenience samples that save time and money, but are not representative of the population as a whole—so conclusions should not be made about the greater population.
Another major fault of these studies is the use, and sometimes non-use of comparison groups. Christine Kim succinctly explains why comparison groups are important:
“Ideally, these two groups should be identical except for the characteristic of interest that is being tested—in the case of same-sex parenting, the parents’ sexual orientation or relationship status. However, a surprising number of same-sex parenting studies have no opposite-sex comparison groups.”
This is 'very' true...
Thanks, could you please post the link.

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13723 Jul 19, 2012
Get That Fool wrote:
There is more!.......
Many of the studies that claim children do just as well in same-sex households don’t compare them to a control group. These studies can describe the results they found, but in no way can they make comparisons to traditional households when there was not a group comprised of these families in their study.
Furthermore, in many of the studies that used comparison groups, the traditional mother-father dynamic was absent. Some studies used single-mother households as a comparison group, and others were vague about the family structure. Clearly, conclusions based on these studies deserve skepticism. However, a recent study has been released that provides much more information to this topic.
We've been saying this all along...
"Studies"??

Christ lady....you can't even provide one.

LOL!!!

“Thou Shalt Not Spill”

Since: Jun 12

Roseville, CA

#13724 Jul 19, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote this:
cpeter1313 wrote:
As a man, I am also "..anatomically equipped to interact, physically..." with other men. Why the hell do you think this would be an issue if we could not?
And I responded with this:
You have impregnated how many men?
The point being that the core purpose of sex, and the way men and women are designed, is reproduction, requiring both sexes. Any thing beyond that is just that.
Just what?

Sex?

We already knew that bright boy.

LOL!!!

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13725 Jul 19, 2012
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, could you please post the link.
Sure thing...I have to research it again....

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#13726 Jul 19, 2012
Boogle Eyed wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
Men can marry men and women can marry women.
And you don't want it that way hence your prejiduce.
Not too bright are ya?
LOL!!!
Let's continue that line of reasoning. Men can marry more than one woman, and in some places outside the U.S., women can marry more than one man.

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#13727 Jul 19, 2012
This is what happens when you tell the truth....

Family structures study = academic misconduct?
Bob Kellogg - OneNewsNow - 7/18/2012 3:45:00 AM

A professor at the University of Texas at Austin is under investigation for conducting a study that indicates adults with "gay" parents tend to have more emotional problems than do children with heterosexual parents.

After Professor Mark Regnerus' "New Family Structures Study" was published, a firestorm erupted. Homosexual activists immediately branded his work "hopelessly flawed" and accused him of being homophobic. But analyst Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family paints a different picture of the professor and his work.

"Professor Regnerus is an imminently good scholar -- very careful, very thoughtful," Stanton asserts. "I've read his study. He bends over backwards to really try to be measured … thoughtful and fair with the data. He doesn't slam anybody; he doesn't implicate anybody."

So the family analyst is shocked that the university would undertake this investigation based on one letter from a homosexual activist blogger.

--------"We do need to understand that it's not scholars complaining about that and making that charge; it's one gay activist blogger who is," Stanton notes.---------

"And unfortunately, the University of Texas at Austin kowtowed to that request."

A panel of university professors is conducting the inquiry into possible academic misconduct. The investigation is expected to be complete within 60 days.

I can't wait for him to be exonerated....

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#13728 Jul 19, 2012
Boogle Eyed wrote:
<quoted text>
Just what?
Sex?
We already knew that bright boy.
LOL!!!
No, just that its beyond the core purpose of why sex, good old fashioned coitus, exists in the first place.

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