North Carolina voters approve gay marriage ban

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Yes, you heteros ARE to blame for the 50% of children now born out of wedlock. It's about time you take responsibility for your messes and stop trying to blame everyone else.

Valid point, but then again if it wasn't for "heteros" you would not be here.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Absolutety NOTHING is preventing you from being an LGBT member.
NOTHING.
Your stupid attempt at an analogy fails.
Btw, just what benefit do you think non-lgbt people are being denied?

why is there an LGBT status to begin with?

Why is it a tragedy it was removed from the Violence against women act?

Procreation is not related to marriage like being gay is not related to being LGBT. Its perfect!

Besides that LGBT status is a denial of benefits based on NOTHING BUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION...
it kinda makes a big point about your equal protection claims...

Reality wrote:

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maybe your friends are just low class?
But I am glad to know you think you can stereotype all of a sexual orientation based on the actions of only a few...
why do I bet you're not CONSISTENT in this position...

I'm not stereotyping all heteros, but with the notable exception of my father I haven't met one heterosexual man in my ENTIRE life who is happily married, who hasn't cheated on his wife, or who didn't constantly bitch about his wife nagging because he wanted to watch football or baseball or go hunting or go fishing or whatever.

I'm asking why those heteros who DON'T have anything in common with the opposite sex (except for a desire to copulate) bother to get married. It's no longer socially unacceptable to remain single your entire life, men can learn to do laundry & cook or just hire a maid and order takeout; women can now financially support themselves and there's little stigma of having a child out of wedlock.

So it's a serious question- why do so many heteros get married to people they obviously have nothing in common with and don't seem to enjoy each other's company?

Get That Fool wrote:

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No, but it 'is' an expectation that that will happen. We know it won't happen with ssm. The responsibility placed by society is not the same for you as it is for us....you said it yourself...we have to clean up our own messes. You obviously don't have to deal with that...

So it's an "expectation" that procreation will happen when 2 senior citizens get married? Really??

Obviously you either failed biology, or you have EXTREMELY high expectations! Or are you expecting one of those miracle thingys to happen ever time old geezers marry!!

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Nope, still fails.
People are not required by law to responsibly procreate, as is obvious by the 50% of heteros who have kids outside of marriage, and the other 25% of heteros who have kids they can't afford or don't want etc, etc, etc.
Nope, absolutely NO legal requirement to procreate responsibly either.

True. There is also no legal requirement to: love, sleep together, live together, like each other, etc. So what is your point?

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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So it's an "expectation" that procreation will happen when 2 senior citizens get married? Really??
Obviously you either failed biology, or you have EXTREMELY high expectations! Or are you expecting one of those miracle thingys to happen ever time old geezers marry!!

Can you prove they won't????? We can prove 'you' won't. Whether or not that couple procreates is neither here nor there, only that their marriage sets them up for it....

Get That Fool wrote:

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...and that's why there's a problem. However, responsible procreation through marriage is what our government needs to support, as our little people have rights too....

Of course the govt & society should support responsible procreation, but that has nothing to do with marriage.

There's nothing irresponsible about an individual or couple producing a child just because they're not married; it's what they do AFTER the child is produced which determines whether that proceation was responsible or not.

woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>yet some countries are coming to that 20 year mark for SSM and they do not have this problem.
if you have to make up scenarios that have already been proven to not come true, you really have no argument whatsoever and you need to go back and rethink your basic premise, it is faulty.

You are lying again......

First Trio "Married" in The Netherlands
From the desk of Paul Belien on Mon, 2005-09-26 23:08

The Netherlands and Belgium were the first countries to give full marriage rights to homosexuals. In the United States some politicians propose “civil unions” that give homosexual couples the full benefits and responsibilities of marriage. These civil unions differ from marriage only in name.

Meanwhile in the Netherlands polygamy has been legalised in all but name. Last Friday the first civil union of three partners was registered. Victor de Bruijn (46) from Roosendaal “married” both Bianca (31) and Mirjam (35) in a ceremony before a notary who duly registered their civil union.

Homosexual Activist Seek to Elimate Stigma Of Pedophila

Alfred Kinsey, the head engineer of the sexual anarchy movement.

August 24, 2011 - Our children are under attack by an insidious and virulent enemy.

On August 17, 2011, more than 50 activists attended a conference for “minor-attracted adults,” i.e., pedophiles, which sought to eliminate the “stigma” attached to pedophilia and to redefine pedophilia as a normal “sexual orientation.” The United States Department of Justice has determined that 64 percent of forcible sodomy victims are boys under the age of 12 and that 58,200 children were kidnapped by non-family members in 1999.

So-called “experts” in the field of human sexuality claim that children are sexual not only from birth, but even in the womb and are willing participants in sexual acts with adults.

Children are encouraged to experiment with sex early and often and to engage in sex with members of the same-sex as well as the opposite sex. Sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers are at epidemic proportions, and new and sometimes fatal strands of diseases are being reported. More than 50,000 teens have contracted HIV which has advanced to full blown AIDS and by 1992 more than 7,000 boys and 1,500 girls have died from HIV/AIDS.

How did we get here? How do we stop the madness before we lose an entire generation?

The question of how we got here can be answered by two words: Alfred Kinsey. Even 55 years after his death, Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey continues to profoundly affect American culture. Two of his most ardent supporters, Dr. Carol Vance, Columbia University anthropologist and lesbian activist, and Dr. John Money, an “out” pedophile advocate and pioneer of transgender surgery at Johns Hopkins, have cogently summed up Dr. Kinsey’s legacy – a legacy they consider sexual “progress” but is in reality sexual anarchy.

Speaking at a 1998 Kinsey symposium of fellow sexologists at San Francisco State University, Dr. Vance said,“Biography is the battleground.”[1] Should Kinsey be discredited, she warned,“200 years of sexual progress can be undone.”

Dr. Vance’s statements echo comments made in 1981 by Dr. Money at the 5th World Congress of Sexology in Israel. They also agreed that the information contained in Table 34, below, and the other data chronicling Kinsey’s and his team’s widespread child abuse, described in detail in Kinsey’s 1948 study on male sexuality, would be the undoing of the “Pre and Post Kinsey eras” globally and in the USA.

In fact, Dr. John Bancroft, director of the Kinsey Institute said at the 1998 conference, which commemorated the 50th anniversary of Kinsey’s studies, that he “prayed” that a British television program,“Secret History: Kinsey Paedophiles,” would never be shown in the United States because the public would not understand the “science” involved in Kinsey’s publication of tables 30-34. He understood that should those tables be widely publicized in the United States, then the whole field of human sexuality and human sex education would be destroyed.

This field of human sexuality and human sex education and 200 years of “sexual progress” that these elite “scientists” were so worried would be destroyed is better described as sexual anarchy. This sexual anarchy that has given these scientists and their followers prestige, money, credibility and control over the deconstruction of the Judeo-Christian civil society was crafted by Dr. Kinsey.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Of course the govt & society should support responsible procreation, but that has nothing to do with marriage.
There's nothing irresponsible about an individual or couple producing a child just because they're not married; it's what they do AFTER the child is produced which determines whether that proceation was responsible or not.

Yes, responsible procreation has 'everything' to do with marriage.....don't kid yourself...get over it...

PART 2

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A gall-wasp zoologist at Indiana University from 1920 to his death in 1956, Dr. Kinsey is most famous for his earth-shaking books, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948)[2] and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953),[3] funded by Indiana University and the Rockefeller Foundation. Dr. Kinsey said that his mission was to eliminate the sexually “repressive” legal and behavioral legacy of Judeo Christianity. He claimed that this “repressive” sexual legacy was responsible for socio-sexual ills like divorce, rape, illegitimacy, venereal disease, juvenile delinquency, promiscuity, homosexuality, adultery, and child sexual abuse.

Furthermore, he argued that if we Americans would admit that we really were engaged in widespread licentious conduct, instead of hypocritically denying it, then these socio-sexual ills would be dramatically reduced.

In large measure, Dr. Kinsey’s mission has been accomplished, mostly posthumously, by his legion of true believers–elitists who have systematically brainwashed their fellow intellectual elites to adopt Kinsey’s pan-sexual secular worldview and jettison the Judeo Christian worldview upon which this country was founded and flourished.

The result of Dr. Kinsey’s mission has been totally antithetical to the utopia he predicted. Instead of reducing the socio-sexual ills that he claimed were rampant in pre-Kinsey America, the implementation of the Kinsey worldview has increased extant global sexual trauma while ushering in a host of new ills that are objectively defined as sexual anarchy. Like a cancer spreading throughout the body, sexual anarchy has spread throughout the fabric of society, affecting every aspect of American life and every man, woman and child.

According to the Rockefeller-funded Kinsey “study,” his “science” proved that humans had all along been copulating like insects or monkeys but systematically and hypocritically lying about their conduct. Adults claimed they were virgins, or maritally faithful, but, according to Kinsey, the truth was that most people were promiscuous and the widespread promiscuity had done no harm to the civil society.

Therefore, Kinsey said, all of the laws restraining sexual behavior–the laws that had favored and protected women, children and the family for generations –were simply old-fashioned leftovers from an uninformed and hypocritical era. Such sex laws were no longer valid in a “sexually enlightened and honest era.”

Enter “Kinsey’s pamphleteer,” Hugh Hefner and his Playboy magazine. At Kinsey’s urging, the country’s laws were gutted to resemble the free love, free life style Kinsey alleged Americans were living all along, and could finally live out with a free and open spirit–no more lies or pretense. Thus the 1955 American Law Institute Model Penal Code jettisoned the “common law” sexual standards that were based upon Biblical authority/precedent for “scientific law” based on Kinsey’s allegedly “objective data.”

The ALI recommended laws trivializing rape and allowing fornication, cohabitation, sodomy and adultery. Shortly thereafter, fornication, cohabitation and adultery were decriminalized so that they would become common, normal, and harmless, as Kinsey said they had been all along. In 1957, the United States Department of Defense used Kinsey and his team to conclude that homosexuals do not pose a security risk.

The ALI also recommended changing the definition of obscenity, which the Supreme Court did in 1960. That same year Kinsey’s claim that 10% to 37% of the male population is at least sometimes homosexual was used to promote “gay rights” in elite professions, e.g., medicine, psychiatry, social work, education, etc.

In 1961, Illinois became the first state to legalize heterosexual sodomy. In 1962 Ralph Slovenko wrote in the Vanderbilt Law Review that four or five year olds are provocateurs:“Even at the age of four or five, this seductiveness may be so powerful as to overwhelm the adult into committing the offense.”

PART 3

In 1961, Illinois became the first state to legalize heterosexual sodomy. In 1962 Ralph Slovenko wrote in the Vanderbilt Law Review that four or five year olds are provocateurs:“Even at the age of four or five, this seductiveness may be so powerful as to overwhelm the adult into committing the offense.”

That same year, the United States Supreme Court declared prayer in public schools unconstitutional[4] and the following year declared that Bible reading in public schools was unconstitutional.[5] The Judeo-Christian worldview was expunged from the classroom. Schools could no longer teach that fornication, adultery or cohabitation were illegal, nor could the health teachers imply that sex should be confined to marriage because that would reflect a “religious,” thus allegedly a non-scientific, worldview.

The only avenue remaining for the teaching of human reproduction was the “scientific,” i.e., Kinseyan, secular worldview.

By 1968 over 51,000 sex professionals had been trained by the unaccredited IASHS (Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality) to teach Kinseyan sexuality in schools and medical schools and to design school sex education curricula. In 1975, the IASHS began to accredit sex educators in “safe sex” through the Ph.D. level.

Contraception became a necessity in the face of the radical changes in the sexual landscape, and so it was legalized in 1965.[6]
TABLE 34, one of five tables documenting the Kinsey team’s child sexual abuse protocol in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948).

As evidence of lack of “consent” became the only criteria for sex crimes, alleged rape victims were commonly challenged as “liking” the rough sex and as consenting to the sexual activity. Prostitution and rape were increasingly referred to as “victimless crimes” in the courts and in the media.

Thus, the right to have sex for ‘fun’ and profit became the justification for a sex industry, inaugurated by Kinsey’s publicist, Hugh Hefner, that includes child and adult pornography, exhibitionism, prostitution and strip clubs, to name a few. That industry has grown to a multi-billion dollar market, giving its purveyors the resources and clout to negotiate grants to sexology research groups and organizations that create the sex education curricula for the nation’s schools, as well as access to lobbyists and, arguably, to state and federal legislators to continue to change the law to favor the sex industry’s interests.

Playboy, et. al also have funded Planned Parenthood, Sex Information & Education Council of the United States (SIECUS), the Kinsey Institute, and other “sexology” institutions. In 1967, Playboy provided the first of many grants to the ACLU to support drug use, pornography, abortion, homosexuality, school sex [mis]education and the elimination or reduction of sex offender penalties. Beginning in 1970, Playboy officially granted funds to NORML, the National Organization for the Repeal of Marijuana Laws.

The year 1969 brought about significant events related to the systematic effort to normalize homosexuality as championed by Kinsey 21 years earlier. The Gay Liberation Front was formed at the New York Alternative University. The American Sociological Association officially stated that homosexuality is normal, citing Kinsey’s “research.” The National Institutes of Mental Health Task Force on Homosexuality recommended legalizing private consensual homosexual acts (sodomy) citing to Kinsey’s “data.”[7] In 1972, the NIMH Task Force, led by Kinseyan disciples, urged that homosexuality be taught as a normal sexual variation in the nation’s schools.

“No fault” divorce was ushered in by California in 1970. By 1985, no fault divorce was the law in 49 states. This triggered a massive increase in the divorce rate and the impovertization of women and children, increasing the need for welfare and abortion, with the latter legalized in 1973.[8]

PART 4

The absence of fathers in the home decreased the economic, social, emotional and spiritual home life, which triggered epidemic child sexual abuse, increased promiscuity, increased criminality–including rape and prostitution–increased venereal diseases and sterility in young women. With no father in the home, children were significantly more vulnerable to molestation by older children, which was redefined as “harmless” peer sex play by Kinsey. This “harmless” sex play led to increased rates of venereal disease, promiscuity, homosexual acting out and suicide.

These disorders then opened the door to additional, more virulent forms of mandated sex [mis]education couched as “pride” in one’s sexual “orientation,” anti-bullying, AIDS prevention and more instruction in “safe sex,” including mutual masturbation, oral and anal sodomy and viewing pornography.

By 1981 Dr. Mary Calderone, SIECUS president and past medical director of Planned Parenthood, took Kinsey one step further, asserting that children are sexual in the womb (Kinsey said children were sexual from birth).

Calderone announced that awareness of childhood sexuality was a primary goal of her organization. This set the “scientific” standard for distributing condoms to children nationwide. Therapeutic interventions were instituted to aid the now increasingly traumatized youth. Pharmocological intervention also increased, including mandated Hepatitis B vaccines for infants and HPV vaccines for elementary age children as STD “protections,” both of which were advocated in a 1977 “Child Rights” pedophile manifesto.

Hundreds of pages could be written on these issues and the additional fallout from Kinsey’s successful promiscuity propaganda that plummeted Reagan’s shining City on a Hill into a state of sexual anarchy.

We must focus now on how we stop the madness – not by ignoring the problem or by giving up in despair. God is on our side, just as He was on the side of those who founded this country. God used 56 God-fearing men to stand up to the largest imperial force in the free world and birth this great nation. He can use us to stand up against the current state of sexual anarchy, return this nation to our Judeo-Christian roots and rescue our children from the enemy who seeks to steal, kill and dstroy. As beneficiaries of God’s miraculous creation of these United States we cannot do anything less. Kinsey and his disciples at the Kinsey Institute have had more than 60 years to re-shape American culture. With Dr. Reisman’s decades of research we have the weapons to gain the upper hand, and we must band together to create the Judeo-Christian answer to the Kinsey Institute. We have the backing of the God of the universe. We can and must win this battle.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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And allowing same-sex couples to marry affect this how???
Since 50% of all children are now born out of wedlock, it appears the current marriage laws of one-man-one-woman aren't ensuring that that "children are born into married intact families with their mother & father".
All people also have an interest in the government and society ensuring that children being raised by their same-sex parents have the legal protections/benefits which only come from marriage.

And if thier "same sex parents" happen to be two brothers, sisters, father and adult son, etc. All of those same sex pair are parenting children. Is the argument that a same sex sexual relationship trumps all other factors shared by the non sexual.pairs?

Reality wrote:

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Many LGBT members are not tranny so there is no requirement I be one...
so why are you saying I have to be one ...
There is no requirement that you be gay or be tranny to be LGBT so why do you think they are related to being LGBT at all?
they are not.
Equality under the law for all!

I never said you had to be a transexual. You can be whatever you want to be. It's not a club; it's a status.

Still waiting for you list even one right or benefit non-lgbt individuals are denied.

Get That Fool wrote:

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Yes, responsible procreation has 'everything' to do with marriage.....don't kid yourself...get over it...

If it did then it would be a legal requirement. It's not.

WeTheSheeple wrote:

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If it did then it would be a legal requirement. It's not.

Oh that's a ridiculous conjecture. It's not a requirement to marry because you can not mandate procreation. However, you can mandate 'responsible' procreation in case procreation happens....

It's like the square and the rectangle scenario...all rectangles are squares (o/s marriage), but not all squares are rectangles) those that procreate in marriage.....

Reality wrote:

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By the same logic, it is not required that one be gay to be LGBT since many Transgender LGBT members are straight!
There is no rational reason to deny straights inclusion into LGBT status.
We will no longer be second class citizens!
so when will straights be getting equal protection of the law and stop being denied LGBT status based on nothing but prejudice.

Hmmmmm.....well it has the novelty of not having been proposed before. Add an "s" on the end would tie it all together. Why not include straights in the club?

Get That Fool wrote:

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Oh that's a ridiculous conjecture. It's not a requirement to marry because you can not mandate procreation. However, you can mandate 'responsible' procreation in case procreation happens....
It's like the square and the rectangle scenario...all rectangles are squares (o/s marriage), but not all squares are rectangles) those that procreate in marriage.....

You can? YOu sound like a Eugenics supporter. Big smile! zieg heil!

Get That Fool wrote:

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You are lying again......
First Trio "Married" in The Netherlands
From the desk of Paul Belien on Mon, 2005-09-26 23:08
The Netherlands and Belgium were the first countries to give full marriage rights to homosexuals. In the United States some politicians propose “civil unions” that give homosexual couples the full benefits and responsibilities of marriage. These civil unions differ from marriage only in name.
Meanwhile in the Netherlands polygamy has been legalised in all but name. Last Friday the first civil union of three partners was registered. Victor de Bruijn (46) from Roosendaal “married” both Bianca (31) and Mirjam (35) in a ceremony before a notary who duly registered their civil union.

So one groups is a problem? how many polygamists do we have here in the US now? your argument id done. your basic premise is faulty and you know it, you are just hanging on to your prejudices without reason.