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#275
Jul 27, 2008
 
^^Actually I have my own voice. I dont want to embarrass Obama, lol. As a mixed race person myself, a voice of a mixed raced person who can talk about issues without blaming and yelling at whites and other people for being racist, is my kind of leader.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
Derek wrote:
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There many democracies before America. All empires and Clonial powers throughout time have made their form of government the norm. That is the reason power is sought.
As for America. White and Blacks helped establish this country. The wealth accumulated in this country during its early years came as a direct result of slave labor. Without that Labor, success would not have been achieved.
Apparently the founding fathers did not feel the common white men had what it took to perform the work needed in the fields and early industry to achieve the desired goals.
America is not a race it is a country filled with different ethnic groups dedicated to a common cause.
It is people like you who are helping to kill the nation. Rather than hate others because of your own short comings is ignorant. Why not better yourself and the hate may subside. An education and openmind might also help
An open mind?

Just what position do you think I'm taking here?

I did say "modern" democracy. I wasn't comparing our country to old Greece or Asian countries. The American democracy became the template for other countries of Western culture to follow.

Yes, slavery was a complete contradiction of the ideals of democracy and we all know the legacy it left behind.

Modern colonialism is another poor showing of American ideals, and I'm pretty sure that's probably what's on your mind. The U.S. shut down Filipino independence after Spain ceded the territory to the U.S. and that's becoming a point of Nationalism now, yes?

Well, it's off topic but I tend to think that a lot of rationalizing happens among the major powers of any given time period. They tend to think of their meddling as being for the good of all. Perhaps it is and perhaps it isn't.

ANYWAY, back on topic, I'm not taking sides in the debate as much as asking questions. There are a lot of emotional arguments that strike me as being an over simplification of the issue.

Obama cannot afford to take the Jesse Jackson approach to race relations. He would lose far too many votes if he only was negotiating on behalf of the Black race.

From your own cultural perspective, do you find your own country locked in a contest of control between the predominantly Spanish and the predominantly Asian? It's not a simple issues. Who is willing to purge themself of part of their own ancestry?

This debate is a messy one. I can forgive a few poorly chosen words but anyone who takes a full retreat into political correctness is a scoundrel.

Yes, I'm always going to be lumped in with the White male majority. If you don't think I should have a seat at this discussion, I can certainly leave.

Don't waste everyone's time if the only solution that the collective group of minorities can come up with is to shake Whitey down for guilt money. That's why we ended up with eight years of Bush. That's why we end up with a Democratic party whose only political debate is about "metrosexuality".

Political Correctness is for parasitic politicians. If you want change, put it down and walk away from it. Or you can sit back and watch Jesse Jackson and the ACLU get rich while you go on twisting in the wind.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
Eazyone wrote:
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I have adressed your post... Just because you don't like the answer, that is not my problem.
Does the naacp surrport affirmative action? How about lower standards for blacks? How about quotas for hiring inept blacks? Do they file lawsuits to deprive whites of hteir civil rights for the benefit of blacks Do they extort money from corporations for their own benefit? The answer is YES to every single question!
As for your attempt at a history lesson, the blacks did not go through anything other races/ethinicties haven't gone through in this country. The difference is that the others" picked themselvs up and prospered, the blacks refuse to do what it takes to get ahead in life - they want to blame everybody but themselves for their failures.
Furthermore, regardless of what "may" have happened to the blacks in history, that does NOT make it okay to violate the rights of white individuals today! What may have happened to blacks in history means absolutely NOTHING to me or most other people. What counts is what is happening today. So if you support the naacp, then you support a racist group of people.
again you prove my words everytime,you still cant point out anything racist about the naacp. First off you obviously are very ignorant to history. no-one has gone thru what blacks have gone thru in this country. REally you are so ignorant. Affirmative Action is racist? guess what affirmative action has benefitted "white women" the most. Quota for hiring inept blacks? how do you know they are inept? do you just assume because of there skin color they are inept? again if so that makes you a bigot. which you clearly are. Excuse you many blacks ARE getting ahead and doing well . Just because YOU focus on the negative doesnt mean there is another side,:

The myth: More college-aged black men are in jail than in college.
The film says: More black men 18-24 are actually in college (469,000) as compared to prison (180,000).
What we found: In 2005, there were 106,000 black men (18-24) in prison.(Bureau of Justice Statistics)
And 402,000 full time black male college students, 71,000 part time.(US Census)

The myth: 1 out of 2 black men do not graduate high school.
The film says: 74.2 percent of black men graduate high shcool
What we found: 79.5 percent of black males 18 years and over are high school graduates or higher.(US Census) But for black males 18-19 years old 53% have not graduated high school. The high 79% number shows that eventually they do get a diploma or equivalency.

The myth: 1 out of 3 black men are incarcerated.
The film says: It's only 290,000 out of 16,794,000 black men who are incarcerated.
What we found: In 2005, there were 547,200 black males in prison out of a total population of 24,315,000 black men in 2002.(BJS/US Census)

Click here for more information:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p05.pdf

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p05.pdf

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/educ...

http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/race...

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/re...

blacks arent lifting themselves up huh? I disagree.
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#278
Jul 28, 2008
 
Wake up black America wrote:
<quoted text> The common "poor" white man did work right along with the slaves. The "poor" white man was just treated a little bit better. Do not forget many Asians were slaves too. Please think before you post. You cannot pose as a uniter and and then try and slam white people. You must be a supporter of Obama. You sound just like him.
Hardly. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's from the Philippines. This will probably turn into an anti-American rant and possibly even an Islamist rant before long.

Don't put words in Obama's mouth. If he's being two-faced, he should be found out to be so on his own.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
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again you prove my words everytime,you still cant point out anything racist about the naacp. First off you obviously are very ignorant to history. no-one has gone thru what blacks have gone thru in this country. REally you are so ignorant. Affirmative Action is racist? guess what affirmative action has benefitted "white women" the most. Quota for hiring inept blacks? how do you know they are inept? do you just assume because of there skin color they are inept? again if so that makes you a bigot. which you clearly are. Excuse you many blacks ARE getting ahead and doing well . Just because YOU focus on the negative doesnt mean there is another side....
You give a new definition to the term "stupid negro..." It is beyond comprehension how anybody can be as ignorant as you... For you to say that affirmative action is "not racist" only means that you believe racism is legitimate as long as it benefits you!

Black "leaders" have said, numerous times, that without affirmative action, there would be no black middle class. The University of Michigan, along with dozens of other colleges filing briefs in support of them, testified in front of the US Supreme Court that with the lower standards for minorities, the college campuses would not be "diverse." In other words, all of these people are saying that blacks need to have these quotas, and lower standards, for hiring, and admitting, these inept people.

It's one thing to attempt to justify the racism of affirmative action by claiming it is only attempting to redress past wrongs - I would give you a "C" for effort but an "F" for logic. However, your argument not only fails in logic, it also fails in honesty - which gives you and "F" in both logic and content. Although, I am sure you will want to be graded on a curve for just blacks, so that even with your "F", you believe you should still get an "A."
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Jul 28, 2008
 
Eazyone wrote:
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You give a new definition to the term "stupid negro..." It is beyond comprehension how anybody can be as ignorant as you... For you to say that affirmative action is "not racist" only means that you believe racism is legitimate as long as it benefits you!
Black "leaders" have said, numerous times, that without affirmative action, there would be no black middle class. The University of Michigan, along with dozens of other colleges filing briefs in support of them, testified in front of the US Supreme Court that with the lower standards for minorities, the college campuses would not be "diverse." In other words, all of these people are saying that blacks need to have these quotas, and lower standards, for hiring, and admitting, these inept people.
It's one thing to attempt to justify the racism of affirmative action by claiming it is only attempting to redress past wrongs - I would give you a "C" for effort but an "F" for logic. However, your argument not only fails in logic, it also fails in honesty - which gives you and "F" in both logic and content. Although, I am sure you will want to be graded on a curve for just blacks, so that even with your "F", you believe you should still get an "A."
well I think you fit the term "racist cracka" perfectly. first off It's not racist, what is racist is denying someone with the same credentials if not more qualified because they're Black, hence Affirmative Action. this has been going on in WHITE board rooms forever. Its time to level the playing field. thats not racist at all in my view its necessary. whats racist is you "assuming" because somneone is black that they are less qualified that any white canidate. now you start with the namec alling and the like. typical white trash. do yourself a favor stop obsessing over blacks and get a life. The poor old white man will be fine. this country was set up to benefit you the most, what the hell are you whining about ? Your just a whiner and it shows.
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#282
Jul 28, 2008
 
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>IF YOU VOTE FOR ME I PROMISE TO SEND ALL THE BLACKS, SORRY AFRO AMERICANS BACK TO AFRICA, THEIR HOME LAND AND WILL CUT CRIME BY 95.6% DRUG RELATED ISSUES BY 90% KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY 90% LOOK AT THE STATS, VOTE FOR ME AND WE'LL SET YOU FREE.(IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR THEIR OWN TICKETS THEY CAN SWIM BACK
So where should you be shipped back to?? Seein as how everyone born here are Americans...why would you think..ALL black's homeland is in Africa. NONE of my family are from Africa....my ancestors are from Europe by was of Cuba...but I was born here..so I am in my HOME LAND...
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Jul 28, 2008
 
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well I think you fit the term "racist cracka" perfectly. first off It's not racist, what is racist is denying someone with the same credentials if not more qualified because they're Black, hence Affirmative Action. this has been going on in WHITE board rooms forever. Its time to level the playing field. thats not racist at all in my view its necessary. whats racist is you "assuming" because somneone is black that they are less qualified that any white canidate. now you start with the namec alling and the like. typical white trash. do yourself a favor stop obsessing over blacks and get a life. The poor old white man will be fine. this country was set up to benefit you the most, what the hell are you whining about ? Your just a whiner and it shows.
Funny...just recently on CNN they had top execs from major companies here in Amercia...saying they would hire a white man with a felony record and NO EDUCATION before hiring a black WITH NO FELONY AND A 4 YEAR DEGREE....America...home of the free...as long as you are White.
Time to take back America

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#284
Jul 28, 2008
 
Thats what I want operating on me, a doctor who got his degree because of aff. action and not his knowledge and skills. You people are just dumb.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
The Truth of the Matter wrote:
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Funny...just recently on CNN they had top execs from major companies here in Amercia...saying they would hire a white man with a felony record and NO EDUCATION before hiring a black WITH NO FELONY AND A 4 YEAR DEGREE....America...home of the free...as long as you are White.
How come blacks get out of college and cant read or write? thats why they dont get hired.In Canton on tv it showed a high school senior could not fill out a job application for a summer job and a secetery was doing it for him,,boy I bet he'll get hired for sure! Get real.
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i've been sayin this to blacks and about blacks for years now, but i just get called a racist...hell, if the shoe fits. get a damn clue and assimilate into society. quit your bitchin, cryin, and blamin, and take responsibility for your own actions. damn, i know....it's all whitey's fault...the white man this and the white man that. act like you got some damn sense and be a productive member of society.
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kafur wrote:
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS? Yeah, does the bear **** in the woods???
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish and send it on to anyone who will read it. Maybe this is
why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
Theologically - no.... Because his allegiance is to
Allah, The moon God of Arabia .
Religiously - no... Because no other religion is
accepted by His Allah except Islam (Qura n, 2:256)(Koran)
Scripturally - no... Because his allegiance is to the
five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to
Mecca , to which he turns in p rayer five times a day.
Socially - no... Because his allegiance to Islam
forbids him to make fri ends with Christians or Jews .
Politically - no... Because he must submit to the
mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and
destruction of America , the great Satan.
Domestically - no... Because he is instructed to marry
four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran
4:34)
Intellectually - no.. Because he cannot accept the
American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no.... Because Islam, Muhammad, and
the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy
and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial
or autocratic.
Spiritually - no... Because when we declare 'one
nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah
is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in
The Quran's 99 excellent names.
< BR>Therefore, after much study and deliberation....
Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in
this country.--- They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and
good Americans.
Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had
better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be
for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know
or understand.....
And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our
President? You have GOT to be kidding! Wake up America !
Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be
sworn in on the Quran---not a Bible!
Footnote: He was sworn in on the Quran for his current
office and he refuses to pledge allegiance to the United States or put
his hand over his heart when the National Anthem is played! The Muslims
have said they will destroy us from within. Hello! Having a Muslim president would seem to fit the bill! Will you trust this man w ith our national secrets?
SO, FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!
THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.
Please don't delete this until you send it on. Let's send it around the world.
Have a Great day!
Complete rubbish.

And you can kiss my atheist #utt if you think that the American government is a Christian government.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
I agree with him...forget everything else he stands for and rather you agree or not... this statement set alone coming from an unbiased mouth has validity...and I agree with it.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
Time to take back America wrote:
Thats what I want operating on me, a doctor who got his degree because of aff. action and not his knowledge and skills. You people are just dumb.
You know who I want operating on you? A nice white doctor who got his degree because of daddy's connections. Preferably one who never missed a kegger in his entire academic career.

Have a nice day.
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#291
Jul 28, 2008
 
Affirmative action is certainly flawed, but I'll throw in for some progress over zero progress any day.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is a large disparity between the standardized test (including I.Q.) scores of some minority groups when compared with whites. This is NOT an indication of any sort of innate intellectual difference. Rather, it is a socioeconomic issue. And, because of past discrimination and dehumanization, the majority of blacks and hispanics are not on equal socioeconomic footing with whites.

If anyone has a better and more efficient solution to the quandary, please stand up. But in the meantime I'm not about to support the elimination of a measure that's been proven to work to at least some degree.
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Time to take back America wrote:
<quoted text>How come blacks get out of college and cant read or write? thats why they dont get hired.In Canton on tv it showed a high school senior could not fill out a job application for a summer job and a secetery was doing it for him,,boy I bet he'll get hired for sure! Get real.
I see the the comment totally escaped your level of mental comprehension. How bout you get real
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Jul 28, 2008
 
Liberty wrote:
Affirmative action is certainly flawed, but I'll throw in for some progress over zero progress any day.
The simple fact of the matter is that there is a large disparity between the standardized test (including I.Q.) scores of some minority groups when compared with whites. This is NOT an indication of any sort of innate intellectual difference. Rather, it is a socioeconomic issue. And, because of past discrimination and dehumanization, the majority of blacks and hispanics are not on equal socioeconomic footing with whites.
If anyone has a better and more efficient solution to the quandary, please stand up. But in the meantime I'm not about to support the elimination of a measure that's been proven to work to at least some degree.
You know that was a very intelligent observation. Whites continue to deny that their dehumanization caused the Affirmative action measure. They continue to call it a Race Card and ridicule blacks for calling it as they see it...but realization and admittance is something the so called majority continues to deny. We need a solution to the division and how to bring us all together...but it's going to be hard. OBAMA..who is White and Black...HAS THE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS TO BE UNIFIED DUE TO HIS MAKEUP...He can truly represent what this country is supposed to stand for... His intelligence, frankness ( NAACP speech) and desire to TRULY look out for ALL Americans stands above and beyond that of McCain..but the fear of any man other than the White/Anglo Saxon male..is why so many are trying to destroy what this country so needs. A leader FOR THE PEOPLE...who WILL find the means to make Equality truly mean something...and not be Just and IDEA written on paper.
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The Truth of the Matter wrote:
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You know that was a very intelligent observation. Whites continue to deny that their dehumanization caused the Affirmative action measure. They continue to call it a Race Card and ridicule blacks for calling it as they see it...but realization and admittance is something the so called majority continues to deny. We need a solution to the division and how to bring us all together...but it's going to be hard. OBAMA..who is White and Black...HAS THE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS TO BE UNIFIED DUE TO HIS MAKEUP...He can truly represent what this country is supposed to stand for... His intelligence, frankness ( NAACP speech) and desire to TRULY look out for ALL Americans stands above and beyond that of McCain..but the fear of any man other than the White/Anglo Saxon male..is why so many are trying to destroy what this country so needs. A leader FOR THE PEOPLE...who WILL find the means to make Equality truly mean something...and not be Just and IDEA written on paper.
If he gets elected it will lead to the final downfall and destruction of these United States.
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RU Kiddingme wrote:
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You know who I want operating on you? A nice white doctor who got his degree because of daddy's connections. Preferably one who never missed a kegger in his entire academic career.
Have a nice day.
Well at least he passed tests and exams and EARNED his degree I hope he was smoking too.
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#296
Jul 30, 2008
 
Hannity said in October he's going to announce something about Obama that is going to be his down fall. I wonder?
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