Russia Tries to Kill U.S. Democracy Promotion Once and For All

Sep 18, 2012 Full story: The New Republic 317

When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived for the APEC summit in Vladivostok on September 8, there was one item on the agenda she was not expecting.

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Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#21 Sep 19, 2012
Waco 1954 wrote:
<quoted text> I've run into you before.No one brainwashed you.You did it yourself.
I am glad you are aware of him. He has went by the nicks ronan, Robespierre, Jazz singer, and william. He has posted his hate for the USA by boasting he keeps records of our KIA and wounded. Quite pro-Russia and a discipicable troll.
He was one of the first anti-Americans fanatic pro-russians on the forum. When the forum first started, there were only a small handful of posters (4) of us initially. That was over eight years ago. He was the first troll. He and I are the only originals posting. He is a worthless fool, and quite a hateful crazed fool.
Oliver Cromwell

Preston, UK

#22 Sep 19, 2012
Small Town America UGX wrote:
<quoted text>
He already has a russian organization in the USA and on this forum. It consists of sunshine (Cassandra) Uther Pendragon, Pesky Army, and many various nicks of Uther like LFOD, neutral observer , ObserverTM and about three dozen more various nicks.
Plus a few more people.
The USA has freedoms and free speech. In Russia, the media is controlled and owned by the kremlin, is ruthless to opponents, IT IS A DICTATORSHIP, citizens have very limited freedoms. It is the 6th. highest in the world for suicides, 4th. place for murders (no. 1 in Europe)(although firearms are illegal), one of the top three in alcoholism and related deaths, 3rd. in the world for abortions, NO. ONE in the world for Corruption, including State corruption, No.3 in abortions, and many more.
The USA cannot be compared to Russia. It is not on the top twenty counries on the above official Stats of the Un and other official stats. The opposition consists of communists, White power/neo-nazi and the putinists who support the dictator. All in battle against each other. The liberal opposition has been snuffed out.
If you think the grass is greener go to Russia. Enjoy yourself.
The USA is no were near being like the USSR. Although since Obama has been elected, a big drift left to socialism, etc. has certainly occurred. But in the USA, it is the people who have the power to bring the USA back to the middle. In russia it is ruled from the top, and opposition is not tolerated.
You Clowns just can't live without the cold war,fish out of water,its pathetic.

Since: Mar 09

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#23 Sep 19, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
When has the USA ever promoted democracy? From the Bosniak Moslems to the Saudi monarchy to the thugs in Pakistan has Washington not always aligned itself more with the terror supporting states of the world?
That's not really accurate.

Ever heard of "grading on the curve"?

You work with whomever you can.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#24 Sep 19, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not really accurate.

Ever heard of "grading on the curve"?

You work with whomever you can.
Utter nonsense. We worked with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to undermine the secular Soviet allied government in Afghanistan. After the Soviets left we lost interest our "allies" put the Taliban and Al Quieda in charge. The Pakistanis have been waging a terror war against India the world's largest democracy for decades and post 9/11 they hid out Bin Laden from us for years. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.

The USA chose to back its own worst enemies.

Why are Iranian nukes considered a threat when Palistani nukes were so readily accepted in Washington? When it comes to supporting international terrorism...

Since: Mar 09

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#25 Sep 19, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
<quoted text>
Utter nonsense. We worked with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to undermine the secular Soviet allied government in Afghanistan. After the Soviets left we lost interest our "allies" put the Taliban and Al Quieda in charge. The Pakistanis have been waging a terror war against India the world's largest democracy for decades and post 9/11 they hid out Bin Laden from us for years. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
The USA chose to back its own worst enemies.
Why are Iranian nukes considered a threat when Palistani nukes were so readily accepted in Washington? When it comes to supporting international terrorism...
I think that your analysis in your first paragraph is slanted and imprecise. You've some of the facts selected to reach a certain conclusion. Shortsightedness is a failing not equivalent to malicious intent.

I assume you mean "Pakistani", I have to disagree that Pakistan's entry into the nuclear club was greeted with anything even closely resembling "accepted".

Did you ever see this scene?

&fe ature=related
Waco 1954

Houston, TX

#26 Sep 19, 2012
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text>
You Clowns just can't live without the cold war,fish out of water,its pathetic.
what is it that you can't live without my cybernetic friend? Can you see forever? Do only your eyes know TRUTH?
Waco 1954

Houston, TX

#27 Sep 19, 2012
Small Town America UGX wrote:
<quoted text>
I am glad you are aware of him. He has went by the nicks ronan, Robespierre, Jazz singer, and william. He has posted his hate for the USA by boasting he keeps records of our KIA and wounded. Quite pro-Russia and a discipicable troll.
He was one of the first anti-Americans fanatic pro-russians on the forum. When the forum first started, there were only a small handful of posters (4) of us initially. That was over eight years ago. He was the first troll. He and I are the only originals posting. He is a worthless fool, and quite a hateful crazed fool.
I don't hate Russians.There is a lot to be admired about them.Seems a waste...all this hate.The Russians at the Battle of Kursk....what they did in that tank battle..my father spoke of it often.So I admire RUSSIANS.I admit it.But the world is a harsh place.The Russians paid a harsh price.After Kursk.and Before.So if some Russians choose to hate America and me as a part of that..then who is to say they are not entitled to their hate.Hate is that most sublime of human emotions.Who can hate better than the Russians?
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#28 Sep 19, 2012
Waco 1954 wrote:
<quoted text> I don't hate Russians.There is a lot to be admired about them.Seems a waste...all this hate.The Russians at the Battle of Kursk....what they did in that tank battle..my father spoke of it often.So I admire RUSSIANS.I admit it.But the world is a harsh place.The Russians paid a harsh price.After Kursk.and Before.So if some Russians choose to hate America and me as a part of that..then who is to say they are not entitled to their hate.Hate is that most sublime of human emotions.Who can hate better than the Russians?
Yes, but the Russians of the USSR also committed atrocities to those innocent victims who were not on either side during ww 2, and Stalin's purges also killed millions not even involved in war.
And, in occupied Hungary before their independance, when the russian army put down those who demmanded democracy. And in Poland, etc. several years after the end of world war two. And of course, in the East Germany sector, where the KGB and E. German troops killed innocent citizens, besides shooting those who attempted to escape to W. Germany.
During WW two, against the invading Germans, yes they fought well.
They are far from peaceful. Our kids are not raised btainwashed to hate the russians, or encouraged to hate russia by our presidents. The opposite is true by Putin. Russia of old is not the Russia of the new. But it is still ruled by despots who have complete control of their people. The russians of today (the youth) are not like their parents or grandparents. They are depressed with a dismal future. Hence the high depressing statistics of suicide, murder, alcoholism, abortions, etc. They are like a lost generation, and of course, these very kids are the future leaders, etc. of russia. The decline of russia's population White Slavs) is rapidly shrinking. Since Putin's rule, millions of the population have simply disappeared for those noted reasons.
That is what is of interest to me. These kids want freedom to enjoy the fruits of the modern world. Good jobs and a future to build and look forward to. They do not, or will never obtain these things under another dictatorship. Which is what Putin's government is.
And those that paid that harsh price during ww two are now no longer alive. Even though the mindset is alive, it is different now in contemporary Russia. But the hate still goes on, generation to generation. Hate or indifference.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#29 Sep 19, 2012
Waco 1954 wrote:
<quoted text> I don't hate Russians.There is a lot to be admired about them.Seems a waste...all this hate.The Russians at the Battle of Kursk....what they did in that tank battle..my father spoke of it often.So I admire RUSSIANS.I admit it.But the world is a harsh place.The Russians paid a harsh price.After Kursk.and Before.So if some Russians choose to hate America and me as a part of that..then who is to say they are not entitled to their hate.Hate is that most sublime of human emotions.Who can hate better than the Russians?
Hate as a national mindset will never accomplish anything. You can not build a nation with a negative force. Putin started out organizing and supporting nationalism through different groups, some in the style of the Hitler youth of nazi germany. These groups like the "Nashi" were for his support. Quite fanatical. He also supported and encouraged Nationalism, which eventually became infiltrated by the skinheads and neo-nazi White Nationalists. Putin made these skinhead groups criminal and outlawed them because he considered them a threat. BUT, the main propaganda used for these groups was that the USA was Russia's enemy. You have quite a hard core of youth that has been influenced by Putin's government. Russia is quite destablized now.
And it will continue under utin, and even after him. Again the operative word in this case, is hate.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#30 Sep 19, 2012
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text>
You Clowns just can't live without the cold war,fish out of water,its pathetic.
Haha! Now ronan, just because I call you an old, wrinkled walrus face commie is no need to be angry at me. For once, I would like to know your true personal feelings about me. After all, we go back many years.
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“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#32 Sep 20, 2012
Since Yankees are criminals & had always supported dictators, there is no need to deny it now.
As for any feelings about the above Hick Town. I do have one. You are an idiot & drunkard. There you go.

Since: Mar 09

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#33 Sep 20, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
Since Yankees are criminals & had always supported dictators, there is no need to deny it now.
As for any feelings about the above Hick Town. I do have one. You are an idiot & drunkard. There you go.
In a lot of regions, one or another flavor of "dictator" is all there is to choose between.

Russia has known nothing but one dorm of dictator or another for a thousand years. Either the petty local variety: puppets and cronies of one foreign ruler or another; or boyars and whatever strongmen can manage to get them to cower before him.

The tragic part of it all is that the religion that was supposed to free them and move them toward individual growth and development, was instead co-opted to keep them in their place, kissing cartoons and thinking that form and ritual was greater than the liberating substance of the message.

Obedience to empty forms and power structures became the religion.

Baba Yaga still rules the minds and so the people, fogged with vodka and centuries of frustrated longing for personal growth, can't even envision true freedom.

They are merely confused with the false choice between one jailor and another, one style of cell and another, one jailhouse meal and another. They compete against each other for who gets to be their jailer's assistants.

The zoo-born tiger paces back and forth behind bars that are no longer really there, but only in the poor creature's mind.

The strongmen have gotten very good at what they do, their hands firm on the strings of the illusions.

Very good, indeed.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#34 Sep 20, 2012
Even though, Russians have just one strong man at the helm, itīs better than have another criminal every 4 years as in the good old USA, I feel.
Bushky senior, junior were both criminals & Romney ainīt much better.
The world economy is at stake here. Wars are not needed anymore.

Since: Mar 09

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#35 Sep 20, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
Even though, Russians have just one strong man at the helm, itīs better than have another criminal every 4 years as in the good old USA, I feel.
Bushky senior, junior were both criminals & Romney ainīt much better.
The world economy is at stake here. Wars are not needed anymore.
You favor the illusion of security and sameness that comes from having only one godfather, over the struggle for freedom?

How symptomatic.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#36 Sep 20, 2012
No, I do not favor any of it.
Currently, Russia needs strong hand & Putinko is exactly that.
Perhaps, you favor Yankee criminals, but I do not.
American Agenda

United States

#37 Sep 20, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
I never knew that individual liberty, self-determination and pluralism were "COMMIES" values.
Do tell!
Washington sends Abu Graib advisors to Georgia to show Saakashvili how to beat political prisoners. There are hundreds of Magnitskys in Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia et. al. but America stays mum unless it can spin the news to its advantage.

“physics is your friend”

Since: May 12

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#38 Sep 20, 2012
Georgians don't know how to beat people up? After all the RUSSIANS taught them? For shame!

“physics is your friend”

Since: May 12

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#39 Sep 20, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
No, I do not favor any of it.
Currently, Russia needs strong hand & Putinko is exactly that.
Perhaps, you favor Yankee criminals, but I do not.
Yes.I favor Yankee criminals over Russian dictators.
Dan

Luanda, Angola

#40 Sep 20, 2012
USA:

- A country where over 50% of the Prison inmates are Blacks even though Blacks are only one sixth of the total population
- A country where there are more Blacks in Prison than in college
- A country where rape in prison is an accepted practise and boasted in their TV programs
- A country who maims and kills Millions of people in the name of national interest while paying lip-service about democracy and Human Right (Somalia, Iraq etc)
- A country that holds an entire people hostage, for decades, just becasue they chose a different political System.
- A country who deafens the entire planet about one dictator while hiding the Crime of others from its propaganda media (CNN, FOX NEWS etc), case in point Bahrain....

Yet, those guys have the nerve to preach others about Democracy and...
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
In a lot of regions, one or another flavor of "dictator" is all there is to choose between.
Russia has known nothing but one dorm of dictator or another for a thousand years. Either the petty local variety: puppets and cronies of one foreign ruler or another; or boyars and whatever strongmen can manage to get them to cower before him.
The tragic part of it all is that the religion that was supposed to free them and move them toward individual growth and development, was instead co-opted to keep them in their place, kissing cartoons and thinking that form and ritual was greater than the liberating substance of the message.
Obedience to empty forms and power structures became the religion.
Baba Yaga still rules the minds and so the people, fogged with vodka and centuries of frustrated longing for personal growth, can't even envision true freedom.
They are merely confused with the false choice between one jailor and another, one style of cell and another, one jailhouse meal and another. They compete against each other for who gets to be their jailer's assistants.
The zoo-born tiger paces back and forth behind bars that are no longer really there, but only in the poor creature's mind.
The strongmen have gotten very good at what they do, their hands firm on the strings of the illusions.
Very good, indeed.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#41 Sep 20, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
No, I do not favor any of it.
Currently, Russia needs strong hand & Putinko is exactly that.
Perhaps, you favor Yankee criminals, but I do not.
Why does Russia need a "strong hand"?

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