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papa inggot wrote:
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Im here because I choose to be. Yes Im American. No my country is not perfect but I can give an honest assessment of the U.S. it's the only way to solve problems.(thats true)
Ill go back when your people leave my country. See your people are welcome in my country and welcome to express their freedom of speech anyway they want (been there and there a lot of racist folk). That is something every American is proud of for immigrants.
Not so for us here, even though your a Democracy LOLOL you don't want any foreigners to have freedoms. Your fake hypocrites.(i disagree.)(but on the first half you hav a point)
where are you?

not sure what you mean here , but i know their are 1000s of very happy flips living in virginia beach, va. thriving and prospering.

some are relations and theyd rather sing god bless america than even discuss the flipins.
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ohhhh. i see now. :)

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where are you?
not sure what you mean here , but i know their are 1000s of very happy flips living in virginia beach, va. thriving and prospering.
some are relations and theyd rather sing god bless america than even discuss the flipins.
Hope they can sing the National Anthem better than christina aguilera.
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The international community probably would like nothing more than for the Philippines and China to work this out peacefully through negotiations. Giving the Philippines the false impression that its gonna get involved in a shooting war with China over a couple of shoals will back fire terribly. With this in mind, the best way to support the Philippines is too encourage it to be pragmatic and work something out with China.
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2 Cents wrote:
The international community probably would like nothing more than for the Philippines and China to work this out peacefully through negotiations. Giving the Philippines the false impression that its gonna get involved in a shooting war with China over a couple of shoals will back fire terribly. With this in mind, the best way to support the Philippines is too encourage it to be pragmatic and work something out with China.
The best way to settle this is thru ITLOS or ICJ. If China doesn't trust ITLOS or ICJ...China should leave the UN.
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The international community probably would like nothing more than for the Philippines and China to work this out peacefully through negotiations. Giving the Philippines the false impression that its gonna get involved in a shooting war with China over a couple of shoals will back fire terribly. With this in mind, the best way to support the Philippines is too encourage it to be pragmatic and work something out with China.
Good post!
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Don the American wrote:
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Yes your Filipino alright. If you think the truth is destabilizing the country your right. The country lives on lies and illusions. See what happens when journalist tell the truth they kill them.
Don is living in PH for decade so he lives on lies and illusions. He is afraid of competition from educated honest Americans who plan to retire in PH. By all means, he resorts to all cynical tactics...but educated honest Americans are too intelligent to believe in Don's propaganda of lies and illusions.
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All I know is westerners who "retire" in the Philippines are most likely pedophiles.
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DISCLOSURE 2012 wrote:
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White people own all the shipping lanes of the world. Please prove me wrong. Chinese Navy? What a joke.
Hutchison Whampoa Limited (HWL; Chinese: &#21644;&#35352;&# 40643;&#22484;&#26377; &#38480;&#20844;&# 21496;; SEHK: 0013; OTC Pink: HUWHY) of Hong Kong is a Fortune 500 company and one of the largest companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. HWL is an international corporation with a diverse array of holdings which includes the world's biggest port and telecommunication operations in 14 countries and run under the 3 brand. Its business also includes retail, property development and infrastructure. It is 49.97% owned by the Cheung Kong Group.

Ports and Related Services: Hutchison Port Holdings (HPH) operates across Europe, the Americas, Asia, the Middle East and Africa. It operates in five of the seven busiest container ports in the world, handling 13% of the world’s container traffic. Hutchison Whampoa operates container terminals in Panama, as it does in Mexico and other parts of the Americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_Whampo...
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Chinese Navy? What a joke.
The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

By MATTHEW HICKLEY

Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...

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No big deal, u'r commmie leaders live high on the hog while u'r poor live in polluted land and dring polluted water. Children of u'r commie leaders come to the States for school and drive high priced cars. Want to build weapons instead of fixing problems. Don't know where the people I once worked for set up operations in china, better them than us working with nasty chemicals.
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No big deal, u'r commmie leaders live high on the hog while u'r poor live in polluted land and dring polluted water. Children of u'r commie leaders come to the States for school and drive high priced cars. Want to build weapons instead of fixing problems. Don't know where the people I once worked for set up operations in china, better them than us working with nasty chemicals.
please there is no refuting the fact China has brought 500 million out of poverty....
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while in the USA you are putting your middle class into poverty...

while your rich get EVEN richer...

he richest 1% hold about 38% of all U.S. wealth.

top 25% own 87% of all U.S. wealth.

your bottom 25% own nothing...with your middle class being put in those ranks...
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Chinese factories moving to the United States
by FNA posted on 26 Apr 2012

In a story published by Reuters on April 22nd the results of a survey showed that some 37% of US companies currently manufacturing in China are considering moving back production to the US itself. This is because the wage gap between Chinese and US wages is narrowing and the availability of labor due to high unemployment in the US.

And it looks as if Chinese companies are following the example of their US peers with the added advantage that the US is a low inflation economy compared to that of China.

Chinese conglomerates, on a mission to expand their global footprint and avoid "anti-dumping" tariffs, are shifting more of their production to the United States.

In the United States, cash-strapped states desperate for revenue and jobs, are rolling out the red carpet for foreign companies that can guarantee both.

More Chinese manufacturers have been launching their own U.S. facilities in the last five years, said Thilo Hanemann, research director at Rhodium Group, a New York-based economic advisory group.

The biggest investments are being made by Chinese firms with products that have been penalized with hefty anti-dumping tariffs, he said.

The United States imposes these financial penalties on imported products that it believes are being sold cheaper than the cost it takes to produce them. Dumping creates an unfair advantage in the marketplace, according to the Department of Commerce.

Daniel Rosen, a China expert and partner with Rhodium Group, said Chinese investments in the United States can create domestic jobs and spur economic growth.

"There is precedent for this," he said. "Japanese companies came here in the 1980s for the same reasons, including finding a way around anti-dumping duties

Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) came into force on January 1st 1994 millions of US jobs were lost as conglomerates moved manufacturing to Mexico and other Central American nations where labor and union laws, as well as environmental norms were far less strict than in the US itself.

The movement of capital, technology and manufacturing from China to the US is not a surprising move at this point in time as the US economy´s main driving force is retail and service industries – around 70% or total GDP. The setting up of Chinese factories in the US will help reduce unemployment and rejuvenate dying cities where industry has all but vanished.

This is a phenomenon that will have to be followed closely and it remains to be seen if footwear and textile / apparel operations eventually come to the US. Imagine the saving involved in transport costs from half way around the world but some of these would be offset by relatively higher US wages which would push up the unit price of products.

http://www.fashionnetasia.com/en/BusinessReso...
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61 PERCENT OF THE DEBT wrote:
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please there is no refuting the fact China has brought 500 million out of poverty....
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while in the USA you are putting your middle class into poverty...
while your rich get EVEN richer...
he richest 1% hold about 38% of all U.S. wealth.
top 25% own 87% of all U.S. wealth.
your bottom 25% own nothing...with your middle class being put in those ranks...
Yeah right instead of earning 1 $ a day chinamen earn 1.50$ a day nowadays! Wow such progress! I love how commie twist things around!
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Chinaman wrote:
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Yeah right instead of earning 1 $ a day chinamen earn 1.50$ a day nowadays! Wow such progress! I love how commie twist things around!
So i guess you would rather have $1 per day than $1.50 ??
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kenny kills thumper wrote:
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So i guess you would rather have $1 per day than $1.50 ??
. U rather have communism or capitalism? If capitalism then there would be no need for Mao eh? No wonder chinamen are so dumb!

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Chinaman wrote:
<quoted text>. U rather have communism or capitalism? If capitalism then there would be no need for Mao eh? No wonder chinamen are so dumb!
Kenny is not a Chinaman, he's a contrarian

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Let's get the record right, Bill-tard.
Nobody died in TAM Square. About 200 to 300 killed around the city, including many soldiers. And I was there.
Too bad you weren't run over by a tank, punk. Now we have to listen to you run your big mouth all day...

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61 PERCENT OF THE DEBT wrote:
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Hutchison Whampoa Limited (HWL; Chinese: &#21644;&#35352;&# 40643;&#22484;&#26377; &#38480;&#20844;&# 21496;; SEHK: 0013; OTC Pink: HUWHY) of Hong Kong is a Fortune 500 company and one of the largest companies listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. HWL is an international corporation with a diverse array of holdings which includes the world's biggest port and telecommunication operations in 14 countries and run under the 3 brand. Its business also includes retail, property development and infrastructure. It is 49.97% owned by the Cheung Kong Group.
Ports and Related Services: Hutchison Port Holdings (HPH) operates across Europe, the Americas, Asia, the Middle East and Africa. It operates in five of the seven busiest container ports in the world, handling 13% of the world’s container traffic. Hutchison Whampoa operates container terminals in Panama, as it does in Mexico and other parts of the Americas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_Whampo...
Don't know if they own or lease because the wording here is vague but we WHITES still own the shipping lanes. And the chairman of this company is a Teo-Chiew Chinese the same as my wife and he isn't a Han. He was dirt poor as a kid and then he fled to Hong Kong where years later opened up a little company that imported plastic flowers to the US, He was a hard worker and made his money honestly...I have no problem with that and he's very different than a LOSER like you...

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The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY
Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.
The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.
The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.
And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.
According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.
It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.
Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".
The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.
Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.
Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.
He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.
"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."
In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...
This means absolutely nothing to me. I want to hear about the capabilities of the Chinese navy and where they are ranked when compared to the other navies of the world...

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