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“Headed toward the cliff”
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grinder wrote: <quoted text> What?!?! We've already covered that. You are a bigot against anyone who views homosexuality as immoral. You are a bigot against pedophiles. And you put out there that someone can call being black an immoral condition. So all you can argue now is to "name call"? Please... If you view homosexuality as immoral, then that makes you a bigot. I didn't make the rules, that's just the way it is.
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“Headed toward the cliff”
Since: Nov 07
Tawas City, Michigan
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Think wrote: <quoted text> How about a person who simply states that he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman? Is that person bad? "Bad" is very subjective, but they definitely support discrimination, which doesn't exactly make them good.
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Think
Malden, MA
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text> "Bad" is very subjective, but they definitely support discrimination, which doesn't exactly make them good. Do you define discrimination as someone who holds to their beliefs but does nothing to stop people from living their lives. The chik fila CEO hires gays doesn't persecute them or discriminate against them. Marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman. Nothing discriminating about that. Civil unions take care of all the issues for gay people who want to make a committment to each other. That's what I believe and I'm not ashamed of it.
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“Headed toward the cliff”
Since: Nov 07
Tawas City, Michigan
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Think wrote: <quoted text> Do you define discrimination as someone who holds to their beliefs but does nothing to stop people from living their lives. The chik fila CEO hires gays doesn't persecute them or discriminate against them. Marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman. Nothing discriminating about that. Civil unions take care of all the issues for gay people who want to make a committment to each other. That's what I believe and I'm not ashamed of it. So you're proud to be a bigot; no suprise there. If you support denying me the ability to marry the person of my choice, then you ARE stopping from living my life the way I choose. Allowing everyone to live their own life would be you being able to marry the person of your choice, and me being able to marry the person of my choice. Marriage has been defined many ways over the centuries; primarily as a property transfer arrangement. Civil unions also take care of all the "issues" for straight people who want to commit to each other. It's either civil unions for all or marriage for all. I believe in EQUALITY.
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“laugh until your belly hurts”
Since: Dec 06
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grinder wrote: <quoted text> <quoted text> That doesn't resolve the issue b/c the age of who and who is not an adult is also assigned by society. Are you age-phobic? If a person concludes they are an adult 2 years, a month or even a day or two prior to the law identifying them as one, then who are you to say they cannot consent to sex with someone else. What this proves out is that society does set boundaries on behaviors, especially those related to sex. And people hold various opinions. Again, good people do not become bad people for not agreeing with gays on the moral concerns of homosexuality. You don't see the homosexual lifestyle as immoral, however there are many people who do and their opinions are valid whether it agrees with your views or not. grinder *sigh* once again, pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. over 94% of all acts of pedophilia registered with law enforcement agencies nationwide are perpetrated by married straight men. the sex of the victim makes no difference at all. pedophilia is a crime of violence, not of sex, nor is it committed for sexual gratification. it's a violent act of control. your second notion is moot, as neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality is 'immoral'. the point being that it's a logical fallacy.
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Think wrote: <quoted text> Do you define discrimination as someone who holds to their beliefs but does nothing to stop people from living their lives. The chik fila CEO hires gays doesn't persecute them or discriminate against them. Marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman. Nothing discriminating about that. Civil unions take care of all the issues for gay people who want to make a committment to each other. That's what I believe and I'm not ashamed of it. actually, no... civil unions aren't recognised in every state, nor are they recognised when crossing international borders. not only that, many courts, and hospitals don't recognise civil unions. you only seem to want same sex couples to accept 2nd best.
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“laugh until your belly hurts”
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grinder wrote: <quoted text> Yeah, go ahead with that one... If your morals tell you that being black is wrong that's your decision. You'll get no support from me on that. What is clear is that you believe in different morals and you cannot make other people accept your beliefs. grinder,'morals' are not a universal characteristic as no two people hold even similar 'moral values'. each person has their very own 'moral compass' and they are as individual as are finger prints. they cannot be taught by anybody, and can only be learned by living one's own life.
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Wondering
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WeTheSheeple wrote: Allowing everyone to live their own life would be you being able to marry the person of your choice, and me being able to marry the person of my choice. It would be a Chick-fil-a exec being allowed to speak his mind, it would be the BSA being allowed to make their own rules, it would be knowing that you can send your kids off to public elementary school knowing they aren't going to be mentally assaulted by homosexuals, it would be giving the Red Cross the freedom to turn away high risk donors without fear of a lawsuit, it would be lots of things.
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Wondering
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dances with weebles wrote: <quoted text> grinder,'morals' are not a universal characteristic as no two people hold even similar 'moral values'. each person has their very own 'moral compass' and they are as individual as are finger prints. they cannot be taught by anybody, and can only be learned by living one's own life. What a load of crap. "Morals" are the difference between right and wrong. While they can differ from person to person they most certainly can be taught and many of them are universal. To say that "no two people hold even similar moral values" wins the 'dumbest thing I've read today' award.
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Lonwolf
Leesville, SC
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text> You are free to believe whatever you want, and I'm free to call you a bigot if you support discrimination against anyone, whether gay or straight or black or white or christian or jew or muslim etc, etc, etc. If you don't want to be called a bigot, then stop being one. Rather be a bigot than a sheep.A gay sheep would be even worse
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Lonewolf
Leesville, SC
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It's pitiful to watch a man sell his soul for votes.
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Wondering
Tyngsboro, MA
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text> If you view homosexuality as immoral, then that makes you a bigot. I didn't make the rules, that's just the way it is. Looks like everyone is a bigot then. Great, that's equality.
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Wondering
Tyngsboro, MA
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WeTheSheeple wrote: If being gay can be immoral, then so can being black. That's a twisted POV. Black is just a color. Some blacks can be immoral just like some people of any race can be immoral. Some black people are gay, most are not. Sexual behavior knows no color.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>Actually is just proved the bigots will come out to support their fellow bigots at ChikFilA.
As for the Bigot Scouts of AmeriKKKa, they'll continue to lose members over the next decade, just like they did over the previous decade; especially when they bring back racially segregated troops again.
Ahhh, the good old days...... obammy was a bigot? Really? Just two months ago obammy was a bigot? Are you saying Hillary and Billy Clinton are bigots?? They hold the exact same views. Exactly the same. So they are bigots? Good to know. If I am a bigot for not supporting gays then I wear that label with pride. At least I am not a Kock sucker.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>Why should I tolerate those who want to discriminate against me?
Now that they can ban gays, the Bigot Scouts of AmeriKKKa will return to segregated troops too.
It's only a matter of time. if they choose they can. But how does someones color compare to sucking peckers by a man? It don't. It's your behaviour that isn't accepted. The BSA is a christian organization are they are not going to be corrupted but pecker puffers. Start a pecker puffers of America if you want.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>When the Bigot Scouts of AmeriKKKa stop getting tax breaks and preferential treatment at taxpayer expense, THEN they can set their own rules.
Until then we'll keep harassing them and pressuring them to drop their discriminatory policies. they are allowed the same tax breaks any other group like this can get. Their political or religious beleives are not subject to your approval to get them. Your can puff a pecker. Ooops. You already do that.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>Who are you to say being black isn't immoral?
Didn't you just say people get to decide for themselves what is or isn't immoral??
If being gay can be immoral, then so can being black.
It's all a matter of opinion. bill and Hillary's opinion is that marriage is between one man and one woman and it's was obammys opinion until two months ago. Bigots?
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>The Bigot Scouts of AmeriKKKa should take a clue from the the Girl Scouts and stop promoting discrimination.
As I said, I couldn't care less what they do, as long as they give up their special tax breaks and preferential treatment all at taxpayer expense.
They can merge with the KKK for all I care. they don't get special tax breaks. They get the same tax breaks all non profits get. To deny them would be a violation of the const. It would be the gov trying to force a political opinion on a group. To deny their freedom of religion. That is unconstitutional. We still have one of those. For now.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>You're too stupid to understand I was saying those who think being gay is immoral are as idiotic as those who think being black is immoral.
Being who you are can't be immoral. Being gay isn't immoral, being straight isn't immoral, being black isn't immoral, being white isn't immoral, being jewish isn't immoral, etc.
Only a bigot would make just a sweeping judgment of others. blacks don't puff on peckers of another man.
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McGruff
Campbellsville, KY
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WeTheSheeple wrote: <quoted text>The only hatred & bullying is coming from the anti-gays. you just said a few post ago that groups that disagree should be harassed and sued until they change. You are as big a liar as you are a pocket puffer.
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