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Hillary supporters aren't bitter; they're concerned

A s a former Hillary Clinton supporter, I resent that my current and future non-support of Barack Obama is being characterized as bitterness over her defeat.

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Shane

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Aug 30, 2008
 
As a professional writer you would think you could get one very simple grammar rule correct. It should have been written as, "But we do need a hero and Obama is neither—a soldier NOR a hero." I refuse to point these things out to regular posters or even amateur bloggers but really...

On another point... most of us who simply get what Obama is offering America simply see wannabe cynics like you as simpletons that simply fear big words and big strides forward.
RM48TX

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Hillary lost the primary in part because many people realized she would have brought out Republicans in droves to vote against her. If you thought the Republicans ran hate campaigns in the last 2 presidential elections you ain't seen nothing compared to what would happen to Hillary.
Face the reality that a Hillary is viscerally hated by many. I don't understand it but it is true. Maybe you need to live in a Republican state like TX to see the truth in my statement.
Even if elected Hillary would have been constantly under attack much as Bill was, but worse.
Sharon

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#3
Aug 30, 2008
 
Were you voting for Hillary because of her, or the issues?

As Hillary said herself:

"Get real. I'm not your therapist."

Well, now you can vote for McCain, and you even get Palin as well.

Win-Win, for you.

A dead loss for America.
Stephen

Tumanni, Korea

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Aug 30, 2008
 
// Shane wrote, "...most of us who simply get what Obama is offering America simply see wannabe cynics like you as simpletons that simply fear big words and big strides forward."

// This is amazingly condescending and off the mark. Many opponents of the freshman senator from Illinois have no fear of Mr. Obama's intellect, vocabulary, wife, race or religion (although the one he jettisoned and now denies -- i.e., lies about -- would concern me). What we do fear is what Ms. Catlin fears -- turning over the power of the POTUS to a freshman senator with almost zero accomplishments and similar specificity about his vague plans for change. Were those words, sentences and concepts sufficiently complex for you, Shane?

// Ask yourself if it might be the Obama fanatics who might be the simpletons. Can't you see through Obama's rhetoric, as we can?
Scott

United States

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Kay, don't let the 2 or 3 sentances the McSame camp like to take out of context fool you.
Hillary, the woman you wanted to see become the next president, is voting for Obama. Think about that.althought they differ, they also agree of a majority of the issues....a vote for McCain is a far step away from everything Hillary would want to see happen.
Don't let McCain twist the democrats words. They are using pure scare tactics and trickery. Obama is and Hillary and the rest of the democrats are needed in office right now!!
Teddy

Justice, IL

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Aug 30, 2008
 
You represent the ignorance that some Americans have. I can't believe that you are willing to give the Republicans another term in office to accomplish nothing but grievance. History has shown that when Republicans take office this country goes down the drain. You mention that Obama has no experience but Mccains VP has zero experience. If something happened to Mccain she would be the one leading our country. Now that's a joke, No wait your the JOKE for voting for Mccain
Michael Frisbee

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Aug 30, 2008
 
I find it amusing that instead of attacking the authors points with credible and logical discussion, most Obamites choose to attack simple things like grammar.

It goes to show that they really have no leg to stand on in reality when it comes to the extremely deficient senator.

I also find it amusing that the liberal left decry smear tactics and fear mongering by the Republicans, when it is typically the left that fall into that trap for lack of any substantive arguments.

Look at the immediate reaction the Obama campaign had regarding Palin's being made McCain's VP. They immediately attacked her on the same fronts they attacked Hillary during the primaries, and then decided "OOPS", and came out with a more soft spoken congratulations.

Now the liberal smear machine is trying to say that Palin's youngest child is really her 16 year old daughter's, trying to hide a shameful event. Realities people, the odds of a teenager having a child with those disabilities are 1 million to one, however, for a woman Palin's age, 1 in 40.

It would be really nice to see both parties try to stick to the actual issues and present solid plans, not ephemeral promises that in the reality of life, could never be put into effect.
Matthew

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Aug 30, 2008
 
To suggest that Obama has not accomplished "a single thing" that was narcissistic is odd, and inaccurate. His legislation regarding nuclear arms was impressive for a young senator. He has surprisingly (for this point in the campaign) detailed plans for the country following his election. That you make a claim like that, at the same time as you claim to be voting for McCain because you "trust" him, is so transparently hypocritical that it would be laughable...if it wasn't so tragic.

I deeply admire John McCain. And I believe with all my heart that he SHOULD have been the president in 2000. Had the idiots who largely compose the GOB not been so easily swayed by Bush/Cheney and their sparkling lies, this country might be in much, much better shape than it is.

You get the government you deserve. We deserved GW for our collective stupidity (even those of us who didn't vote for him).

Well, we'll deserve McCain...eight years too late and suddenly devoid of the integrity I so once admired...if PUMAs like you continue on a reckless and selfish path of destruction...all for the sake of salving your wounded pride.

Get over it, or get used to the America we have now.

Your chocie.
Scott

United States

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Aug 30, 2008
 
also... The media attached to his "message of change" but Obama talks about his views and plans of action in detail on his web site at www.barackobama.com

You can find the answer to just about anything you want to know. His stances, his ideas, his detailed plans of action has president.

If you truely understand McCain's political stances, and want to vote for him, then you never really wanted Hillary for office... Because they are colmlete oposites.
heyrey

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#10
Aug 30, 2008
 
Your maverick chose a 44 year old creationist anti-abortion mother of 5 (including newborn mentally handicapped) embroiled in the illegal firing of a state trooper to be his running mate. He's also giving $700,000 in tax breaks to Americans earning over 3,000,000 a year, and $19 break to those earning under $20,000. Your "maverick" is a goose, and unless you support these hard line republican positions, you are plucking his feathers out for the roast this November.
LaRae

Seattle, WA

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#11
Aug 30, 2008
 
Except that you are bitter - refusing the acknowledge or give Barack and his campaign any credit at all for inspiring millions of people who were not involved in the political process to get involved - mostly young people, but also from every walk of life. He pulled off an upset where the favored candidate was almost a shoe-in, and he did it while being a mixed-racial American mutt. I'm also pretty sure that you can find some actual "accomplishments" in his political record as well, if you take the time to look them up. Frankly, having the vision of becoming president, reaching for that goal, and being on the threshold of possibly getting it - is something that took a great deal of focus, planning, and commitment. It says alot about what he can do and what he is capable of. Obama would never have insulted our intelligence by choosing a VP in a skirt to replace Hillary - as if that is possible! Obama has prepared himself for the presidency, and he has proven over and over again in both action and judgment that he is human as well as capable to lead us in a much better direction for our country. You can continue to be bitter if you want, but don't try to convince the rest of us that you're not.
susan

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Whatever one may think of the stands McCain's taken as a senator, as the Republican nominee, he's tied to the platform -- and personnel -- that compose the party now. One isn't just voting for a single person but for a whole set of ideas, figures, and policies. And the GOP is, atm, the party of George Bush's administration. It's not just that Bush lacks judgment, it's that the entire administration, people who were lauded as the best in their party, have pursued disastrous policies.

The issues that concern me most, actually, are ones that I didn't hear get a lot of play: the constitutional questions like torture, the unitary executive theory, the refusal to grant Geneva Convention rights, lying in the lead-up to the War. These weren't decisions made by a rogue executive, these were stances crafted by a party that deserves to be discredited.

Can a supporter of what Hillary stands for really vote for the *party* that brought us all of that? The emphasis placed on individuals is misguided, particularly when our judgments about these individuals is so shaped by the media landscape. Vote on policy!
geniepiper

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#15
Aug 30, 2008
 
As a woman I would love to vote for another woman as president, and someday I will; but, I want that woman to be someone who made it on her own, not because she was somebody's wife and that somebody cheated on her. If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee I would have voted for her because I can't stand McCain's position on most issues and I know that he has cheated on his wife, probably both of them, and switched positions several times on issues and positions in order to get where he is at, So honest and trustworthy, I don't think so. Even more importantly, McCain is on the wrong side of almost every issue that is important to women. How anyone can even consider voting for this man and giving us four, maybe even eight, more years of the kind of policies we have had to endure under Bush is beyond me.
carl

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Michael Frisbee wrote:
I find it amusing that instead of attacking the authors points with credible and logical discussion, most Obamites choose to attack simple things like grammar.
It goes to show that they really have no leg to stand on in reality when it comes to the extremely deficient senator.

I also find it amusing that the liberal left decry smear tactics and fear mongering by the Republicans, when it is typically the left that fall into that trap for lack of any substantive arguments.
Look at the immediate reaction the Obama campaign had regarding Palin's being made McCain's VP. They immediately attacked her on the same fronts they attacked Hillary during the primaries, and then decided "OOPS", and came out with a more soft spoken congratulations.
Now the liberal smear machine is trying to say that Palin's youngest child is really her 16 year old daughter's, trying to hide a shameful event. Realities people, the odds of a teenager having a child with those disabilities are 1 million to one, however, for a woman Palin's age, 1 in 40.
It would be really nice to see both parties try to stick to the actual issues and present solid plans, not ephemeral promises that in the reality of life, could never be put into effect.
Practice what you preach, you are the one that is extremely deficient. A 15 year-old young man called into to CSpan after Obama's moving speech. He stated that you anti-Obamites can't come with any good reason why he shouldn't be president. The young man is correct.

Why would you even post statistics concerning having a Down Syndrome baby? Again, practice what you preach, moron.
Steve Houston

Missouri City, TX

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Aug 30, 2008
 
I totally agree with the blogger. Well said, exactly as my family, my friends and myself think! And even though we live in Texas, we do not see that Hillary is "viscerally hated" (see Katy, TX, above). On the contrary, we see a lot of mistrust regarding Obama: arrogance, empty promises, who is behind his success, etc.
Peter

Bellevue, WA

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Well, i guess those words seem a little bitter. Concern should have been for the things they said they will change. Their policies and their beliefs, the hope they give to the nation and the inspiration of its citizens. and moreover, Mrs. Kay Catlin, this election is not about you, the Vietnam era citizens, it is about the United States of America...... It's about the future not about the burden you Vietnam era citizens put on us.
Peter

Bellevue, WA

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Aug 30, 2008
 
Ben wrote:
Obamabots - blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
That's all Obama fans can do is defend their token minority candidate that is every bit as much of a gimmick by the DNC to make history as the McCain camp with Palin, but at least she has actually governed something significant like a state. Countless black voters admit to supporting Obama just because of his race and many white voters gladly jump on the bandwagon because they have been bullied by blacks by years of "slavery angst" and do not want to be called racists, so they put on a pollyanna smile and waive their Obama signs. Suck on that!
This a shameful quote from a citizen of a country trying to move forward from our history. Dude, we have done some ugly things to the black ppl here and we are all trying to go past it. Please wash your brain and try to look into the future. For every other step the country takes forward, ppl like you pull us a step back. Shame.
Ben

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#20
Aug 30, 2008
 
Shame on you for enabling a double standard on racism and thinking that it is ok to blame white people for everything wrong with the black community. Have you ever been discriminated against by blacks? I have? Do white dare say anything about it? No. Do people ever make a big deal out of that? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
V_Mitchell

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#21
Aug 30, 2008
 
Get over it, Kay.
As Hillary would say, "Shame on you!"
You do Hillary a disservice with your vote for John McCain. It means you never cared about her positions and vision for leading this country. If you had, you'd be supporting Obama since there's hardly any daylight between him and Hillary. You were only for Hillary's personality, or perhaps only for her sex. Talk about narcissitic, McCain just put his vain desire to be president above country by selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate: an obvious ploy meant to pander to the extreme right and appease the only base that still supports George Bush. To choose McCain over Hillary for the reasons you cite makes you a shallow idiot. BTW, Obama is a former law professor and state senator, a U.S. senator, an author, and has overseen a campaign which you yourself imply was far superior to how Hillary ran hers. Gee, maybe he'll run the country the same way!
LaRae

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#22
Aug 30, 2008
 
This isn't a "black" issue, it is the fact that you believe that we are all voting for Obama because he is black that is infuriating - as if we are all ignorant and incapable of reasonable thought. Perhaps some people are, just as some people obviously voted for Hillary just because she is a woman. But I assure you, Obama's color has nothing to do with my vote - I simply share his ideals and agenda, and I want my country back.
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