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KJV Chicago, IL	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7264 May 13, 2012 Rose_NoHo wrote: <quoted text>I was asking for real evidence. Don't quote the buy-bull to prove the buy-bull! That's like my quoting "A Study in Scarlet" to prove Sherlock Holmes is an historical figure. Ok so I can't use the documentation that my faith is based on to prove my faith? Kind of handy caps me a bit.
Richardfs “Formerly "Richard"” Since: Mar 12 3,504 In the beginning e=mc^2	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7265 May 13, 2012 KJV wrote: <quoted text> Look who spewing slop from their mouth. Wasn't he quoting you?
Hidingfromyou “I'm only happy when I'm hungov” Since: Mar 11 31,399 Please use this phrase as a we	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7266 May 13, 2012 KJV wrote: <quoted text> But yet is it been told in more cultures then another story. Hmmm maybe there might be something too it? Your claim is simply untrue. The story of the biblical flood has been clearly demonstrated to come from Sumerian mythology - from Mesopotamia, "the land between two rivers." The people of Mesopotamia relied on floods to fertilize their land. Hence, their religion was intimately connected to flooding. Likewise, the OT "tooth for a tooth" etc., came from Mesopotamia. Your religion is just one of many - and, in the above cases, is the product of cultural diffusion.
Hidingfromyou “I'm only happy when I'm hungov” Since: Mar 11 31,399 Please use this phrase as a we	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7267 May 13, 2012 KJV wrote: <quoted text> Ok so I can't use the documentation that my faith is based on to prove my faith? Kind of handy caps me a bit. Doesn't your faith come from your personal experiences? Your word is enough for me to prove your faith. Yes, you have faith. But I'm a little worried about your faith. Why does it require the world to be a certain way? In other words, why do you need to limit the world to being exactly as described by the Bible, despite that science demonstrates the Bible is not accurate? For me, that's not a lot of faith. I mean, if I believed in God, it wouldn't really bother me, whatever the world was like. I'd just add that to the mystery. By forcefitting the world to your image of God, to me, that suggests you've got a very defined, limited image of God. And I don't really get that if you call Him all powerful, etc.
Cpt Jack Sparrow “....hoist the Jolly Roger ” Since: Aug 11 7,445 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7268 May 13, 2012 I recon when Athiests an Minorities ain't at hand these kind just can't controll thier tendancies an it gets em in hot water with fellow believers Who then have to deny 'em. KittenKoder wrote: <quoted text> Well, to be fair, they don't have to ignore their beliefs if they are christian. The bible permits horrible acts, as long as they are done in "god's name" so to speak. Many of the zealots don't have a problem ignoring parts of the bible, they just don't want to ignore the ones that allow them to hate a minority group until the law forces them to because they actually do hate minority groups.
KittenKoder “I Am No One Else” Since: Apr 12 19,207 Seattle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7269 May 13, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 KJV wrote: <quoted text> But yet is it been told in more cultures then another story. Hmmm maybe there might be something too it? No, only the christians have a world wide flood myth, others have flooding of basins and valleys, and those have actual geological evidence to support them, though they did tell the story of it in myth they can actually assert that their small floods happened. Small floods are common, so meh. not hard to believe anyway. A world wide flood is impossible in so many ways, time, space, and even the dimensions of the universe would have to abruptly be altered, then restored after several million years, ye even then, the logistics of having the diversity of life we see today after that goes beyond impossible. This is the real world now, we only accept information that is beneficial to us as fact, so since the world wide flood is impossible, it being true cannot benefit us, ergo, even if it did happen and somehow no evidence was left, it would still be a useless story because anything that requires "god magic" is useless to us mere mortals.
KittenKoder “I Am No One Else” Since: Apr 12 19,207 Seattle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7270 May 13, 2012 New vid here, this one is my own though, so it's partially shameless self advertising, but pertinent to part of this thread, if I remember correctly: http://www.youtube.com/user/KittenKodersViews
It aint necessarily so “Life may be sweeter for this” Since: Nov 08 51,993 Fennario	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7271 May 13, 2012 KJV wrote: Ok so I can't use the documentation that my faith is based on to prove my faith? Kind of handy caps me a bit. Your bible cannot prove your beliefs unless it is unmistakably the writings of a god. To do that, it would need to be free of error, contain high quality scientific knowledge not available at the time, and/or make high quality prophecies. These are defined as specific, detailed, unambiguous predictions which specify the time and place; which predicts something surprising, unlikely or unique that could not have been contrived and was not self-fulfilling; and which were fulfilled completely unaccompanied by failed prophecies. But your book can disprove itself by claiming that it was authored by and describes a perfect god, then contain errors and self-contradictions, which is the case. The printing press and literacy were your first problem. And the Internet is just your most recent. How long do you think that your church can survive this much information being disseminated this widely, Every one of these uses the bible to disprove itself : [1] Internal contradictions http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_me... . [2] Failed biblical prophecies http://faithskeptic.50megs.com/prophecies.htm [3] Scientific, logical, and historical absurdities http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/lon... [4] Contradictions with archaeology http://www.scripturescholar.com/BibleArchaeol... [5] Broken promises http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

It aint necessarily so “Life may be sweeter for this” Since: Nov 08 51,993 Fennario	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7272 May 13, 2012 KittenKoder wrote: New vid here, this one is my own though, so it's partially shameless self advertising, but pertinent to part of this thread, if I remember correctly: http://www.youtube.com/user/KittenKodersViews Very kool, Kitten. I had some difficulty understanding you. The sound could be better - too much reverb, and ambient noise like wind.
Darwins Stepchild “Turning coffee into theorems” Since: Dec 06 23,992 Trapped inside a Klein Bottle	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7273 May 13, 2012 KJV wrote: <quoted text> But yet is it been told in more cultures then another story. Hmmm maybe there might be something too it? No, "it" has NOT been told any other cultures, except the Sumerian, which is where the myth originated. The "other stories" you refer to are other tales of floods...stories which just happen to be told in areas were floods happen a lot. Imagine that. You can pull all the apologetics out of your azz you want to, but it still comes down to the fact that there is NO geological evidence to support your story. There is a great deal of scientific evidence that says it never happened.
NightSerf “The Beat 64 rocks out in” Since: May 07 11,308 Knoxville, TN	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7274 May 13, 2012 Judged: 1 KJV wrote: <quoted text> But yet is it been told in more cultures then another story. Hmmm maybe there might be something too it? There is something to it--it's a powerful tale that resonates in our emotional makeup. If the Lord of the Rings had been written long enough ago that its origin as a work of fiction had been forgotten, there would still be people expecting Gandalf to return to once again defeat evil and restore a true king. We've always been suckers for a good story. But some of us can tell the difference between fiction and reality.
Hidingfromyou “I'm only happy when I'm hungov” Since: Mar 11 31,399 Please use this phrase as a we	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7275 May 14, 2012 Judged: 1 1 It aint necessarily so wrote: <quoted text> Your bible cannot prove your beliefs unless it is unmistakably the writings of a god. To do that, it would need to be free of error, contain high quality scientific knowledge not available at the time, and/or make high quality prophecies. These are defined as specific, detailed, unambiguous predictions which specify the time and place; which predicts something surprising, unlikely or unique that could not have been contrived and was not self-fulfilling; and which were fulfilled completely unaccompanied by failed prophecies. But your book can disprove itself by claiming that it was authored by and describes a perfect god, then contain errors and self-contradictions, which is the case. The printing press and literacy were your first problem. And the Internet is just your most recent. How long do you think that your church can survive this much information being disseminated this widely, Every one of these uses the bible to disprove itself : [1] Internal contradictions http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_me... . [2] Failed biblical prophecies http://faithskeptic.50megs.com/prophecies.htm [3] Scientific, logical, and historical absurdities http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/lon... [4] Contradictions with archaeology http://www.scripturescholar.com/BibleArchaeol... [5] Broken promises http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... It would also take a higher moral position than humans conceive of - yet never does. A loving, all perfect deity would surely include, in Its most important commandants, the perfect moral code. Yet no religious text anywhere supplies this. Maybe Jainism comes closest. Even Jesus's Golden rule is marred by his "the poor will always be among you" and such comments. Surely the Creator of the Universe would understand that poverty is a function of social hierarchies and limited resources? Yet where is the outlined plan of a coherent, freedom making economic system that grants everyone equal access to happiness?
Hidingfromyou “I'm only happy when I'm hungov” Since: Mar 11 31,399 Please use this phrase as a we	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7276 May 14, 2012 NightSerf wrote: <quoted text> There is something to it--it's a powerful tale that resonates in our emotional makeup. If the Lord of the Rings had been written long enough ago that its origin as a work of fiction had been forgotten, there would still be people expecting Gandalf to return to once again defeat evil and restore a true king. We've always been suckers for a good story. But some of us can tell the difference between fiction and reality. I firmly disagree that flood myths - especially since KJV said "the Flood" not flood myths - are present in most cultures. It certainly isn't present in Asian religions which to this day make up the majority of believers on the planet - and, prior to the 1400's, you'd have to include all the American cultures and their lack of flood myths.
Hidingfromyou “I'm only happy when I'm hungov” Since: Mar 11 31,399 Please use this phrase as a we	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7277 May 14, 2012 Judged: 1 NightSerf wrote: We've always been suckers for a good story. But some of us can tell the difference between fiction and reality. To return to the original point of the thread, I'd argue that (American) atheists are in the closet because the statement "I am an atheist" is a claim that "your religion has been dismissed by me." It angers religious people as it threatens their fictive kinship bonds that create their solidarity.
Cpt Jack Sparrow “....hoist the Jolly Roger ” Since: Aug 11 7,445 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7278 May 14, 2012 nice videos .... KittenKoder wrote: New vid here, this one is my own though, so it's partially shameless self advertising, but pertinent to part of this thread, if I remember correctly: http://www.youtube.com/user/KittenKodersViews
ChristineM “Aut Pax Aut Bellum” Since: Nov 10 12,775 Leyland (or close enough)	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7279 May 14, 2012 Atheism-the evil religion wrote: <quoted text> Everyone with common sense knows that atheists account for the majority of people going INTO that prison. They BECOME Christians while in there. Wrong, the statistics say otherwise buy hey, you are chistian so you can lie all you want because you are lying for you god. Keep up the good work
Cpt Jack Sparrow “....hoist the Jolly Roger ” Since: Aug 11 7,445 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7280 May 14, 2012 Good answer ! ChristineM wrote: <quoted text> Wrong, the statistics say otherwise buy hey, you are chistian so you can lie all you want because you are lying for you god. Keep up the good work
Nontheist “The eye has it...” Since: Jan 12 2,650 Russell's teapot.	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7281 May 14, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 KittenKoder wrote: New vid here, this one is my own though, so it's partially shameless self advertising, but pertinent to part of this thread, if I remember correctly: http://www.youtube.com/user/KittenKodersViews Good vid. This came up in another thread. I see now why I didn't run across it in that one. o)
polymath257 “Think&Care” Since: Oct 07 17,812 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7282 May 14, 2012 KJV wrote: <quoted text> Ok so I can't use the documentation that my faith is based on to prove my faith? Kind of handy caps me a bit. Well,if you can show that your documentation is reliable, then you can use it. Otherwise, you cannot. So, can you prove that your Bible is reliable without using the Bible to prove itself?
ChristineM “Aut Pax Aut Bellum” Since: Nov 10 12,775 Leyland (or close enough)	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #7283 May 14, 2012 Cpt Jack Sparrow wrote: Good answer !<quoted text> Cheers Cap’n
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