In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#20992 Jun 27, 2012
HugeKielbasa wrote:
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I live in one of the U.F.O hotspots in the U.S in the Hudson valley.
I also live near CT which is a demonic & spirit hotspot in the U.S
So I really do live in an area that is a peak hotspot in America for paranormal.
It is very common for people here to speak of the paranormal.
There was a girl here who was traumatized as a girl when she saw little aliens go through her backyard at night.
Another of my friends saw an alien walk down the road.
So many people have seen U.F.O's
Most people I speak with have seen a U.F.O or have family members that have.
Get a camera phone. UFOs and ETs are obviously allergic to camera phones.

It's kinda like the reason vampires don't hang out around people with crosses ... they're allergic to BS.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#20993 Jun 27, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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Did you triangulate the movements and plot them to determine the distance from your location? How did you do this? If you did, did you calculate the size of the object and determine its the magnitude of its brightness, and the energy that would be required to create that magnitude? Did you calculate the distance moved and the acceleration and velocities involved? If you did, were the forces generated within the guidelines of what we know biological life forms to be able to tolerate? Did you apply any thought at all to this observation? Or did you simply have a fundie orgasm?
I actually saw this when I was an Atheist BTW.
Just before I was too young to legally drink (Which started by bar & alcohol phase)
Just a few years after I quite smoking marijuana & ciggarettes.
It was a period when I did no alcohol, marijauna or ciggarettes for a few years.
I was actually quite striaght edge at this time. I ate the healthiest in my life.
I mostly went to the gym & lifted weights & was when I was in college & had close contacts to many people & friends. etc

I was an Agnostic Atheist at this time I guess. I was an Atheist & didn't believe god existed.
I was very slightly Agnostic because I thought a tiny chance of god existing.

Since then I have become more of just an Agnostic.

I have come to the conclusion that the Universe seems as if it could almost have life to it.

The more I have thought about it the more I think Atheism doesn't have perfect anwsers either.

Some parts of Atheism I have pondered to be rather illogical too. Like how nothing created a semi functioning Universe that has semi patterns & that keeps from self destruction & by chance just created life.

I am not an Atheist anymore. I would just consider myself Agnostic.

I sure have never been a fundamentalist.

I always thought creationism was a joke.
I was raised catholic & even questioned it as a kid. I even at like 4 years old would say dad what if there is no afterlife or god?
So for me I have always been semi Agnostic.

I remember at like age 7 I would pray to go & saw nothing. I was almost angry at god.
At the same time kind of didn't believe in god.

I was really an Agnostic theist then I guess.

Became Atheist over time & now just completely Agnostic.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#20994 Jun 27, 2012
HugeKielbasa wrote:
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It came up over the mountain about 12 am. By about 4 am it was about maybe 1/8th across the sky.
MOVING TO THE SOUTH EAST.
Not West like stars, planets, moon, sun ect move in the sky towards the WEST.
If anything it moved about half the speed even a star does.
Because the mountain view was directly North about 12 am. So it did not start directly in the West or East
by 4 am it had moved had moved perhaps half way between the mountain & the eastern horizon.
It is VERY difficult to figure out because it was moving South East.
If it was moving East it would be easier to tell.
The way it was moving it started on the North mountain horizon around 12 am & about 4 am about 1/3rd of the way towards the South East horizon.
Which then fog & clouds covered it up.
Which in it's self was ODD.
I actually called my dad up & ODDLY while I called my dad up to come see it.
A cat was watching me & following me UP THE ROAD as I was walking.
Then as soon as my dad came 2 minutes later.
It was completely covered in fog & clouds.
When it was clear when I called.
The whole thing is WEIRD.
Right before I called my dad & right before the fog & clouds covered it in maybe 2 minutes.
I saw big strange crafts moving low with blinking red lights. I don't know WHAT it was.
It seemed like an advanced miltary craft.
As soon as the craft moved through the fog appeared & the U.F.O disappeared.
It was very very very weird.
I saw during this time some other very low & strange advanced miltary jets with red blinking lights too they were very low. One went over head the next night & was barely above the trees & had ALMOST no sound.
The whole thing isn't that out of the ordinary for some U.F.O / E.T events.
There are cases reported of U.F.O's that hide into fog to hide themselves.
Cases of aliens that shapeshift into cats.
I have no idea WTF was going on. There was certainly something very very strange.
For about a week there at night there was a lot of strange things going on.
This is also when I heard the strange shrieks & giant flapping wings in the woods moving around.
The whole thing was WERID. The air almost felt heavy during this weak when all kinds of strange stuff happened.
I saw weird miltary jets moving in lines even with those same red blinking lights.
The air felt heavy like there was something weird. I can't explain it.
About a week later the heavy air settled to normal, The miltary red light advanced planes were gone.
The U.F.O's I had seen nightly were gone.
The weird shrieks & flapping were gone.
After that I stopped my nightly paranormal hunts for these things because then nothing happen.
The whole thing was very very very weird.
People describe this sort of thing with it. As a chain of things that happen with multiple paranormal activiites & then just stop
Sounds like you were tracking a comm satellite. They meander in a figure 8 pattern over the period of 6 months or more. They're geosynchronous so they'd be pretty faint except in very, very dark skies. Back country mountains on moonless nights would be about right. Even with a good angle for sunlight reflection off of one of these, the apparent magnitude probably would be around 4-5, which would make it a pretty dim star.
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#20995 Jun 27, 2012
HugeKielbasa wrote:
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I actually saw this when I was an Atheist BTW.
Just before I was too young to legally drink (Which started by bar & alcohol phase)
Just a few years after I quite smoking marijuana & ciggarettes.
It was a period when I did no alcohol, marijauna or ciggarettes for a few years.
I was actually quite striaght edge at this time. I ate the healthiest in my life.
I mostly went to the gym & lifted weights & was when I was in college & had close contacts to many people & friends. etc
I was an Agnostic Atheist at this time I guess. I was an Atheist & didn't believe god existed.
I was very slightly Agnostic because I thought a tiny chance of god existing.
Since then I have become more of just an Agnostic.
I have come to the conclusion that the Universe seems as if it could almost have life to it.
The more I have thought about it the more I think Atheism doesn't have perfect anwsers either.
Some parts of Atheism I have pondered to be rather illogical too. Like how nothing created a semi functioning Universe that has semi patterns & that keeps from self destruction & by chance just created life.
I am not an Atheist anymore. I would just consider myself Agnostic.
I sure have never been a fundamentalist.
I always thought creationism was a joke.
I was raised catholic & even questioned it as a kid. I even at like 4 years old would say dad what if there is no afterlife or god?
So for me I have always been semi Agnostic.
I remember at like age 7 I would pray to go & saw nothing. I was almost angry at god.
At the same time kind of didn't believe in god.
I was really an Agnostic theist then I guess.
Became Atheist over time & now just completely Agnostic.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. Atheism is not a cosmological position on the cause of the universe. Atheism is not the denial of as-yet unexplained phenomena. Atheism does not promise 'perfect answers'. Atheism does not claim the universe has patterns that prevent self-destruction, or that it was created by 'chance'(and neither do sentient scientists). Atheism does not care whether you prefer MacDonalds of Burger King. Atheism does not like baseball more than football.

Are you really so f**king retarded that you think atheism is anything other than lack of belief in your fairy tales?
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#20996 Jun 27, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Get a camera phone. UFOs and ETs are obviously allergic to camera phones.
It's kinda like the reason vampires don't hang out around people with crosses ... they're allergic to BS.
Also, remember that bigfoot carries bison hairs with him and drops them on the ground to fool forensic scientists.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#20997 Jun 27, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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80 percent of americans believe that god created man specially and different from the animals but 36 percent of americans believe intelligent aliens travelled millions of light years to visit earth. Try to figure that one out.
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I'm sure your grand children will enjoy the home videos of you in the back yard.
<quoted text>
So do 99 % of the humans on the planet.
YOu do realize, don't you, that when research is done on claims like this there is almost always some sort of empirical evidence available for testing. Why is it, in the year 2012, with cell phones and GPS chips that no one, NO ONE, has been able to pinpoint the exact location of a bigfoot sighting so that a hair, or some other sort of DNA sample can be gathered? Hell, even a footprint could yield skin cells that could be tested.
You have one of those minds that is so open that your brains have fallen out. You will believe anything if it conforms to your idea of big science and the conspiracy to hide 'real' evidence. Go play in your sandbox, child, and leave life to adults.
What is this? You act like if you believe paranormal, afterlife, aliens etc may exist that you must believe in god.

WTF?
Some of the Atheists on here I notice go against their very arguments.

They believe life just came to be.

That some how an afterlife, ghosts,aliens, bigfoot couldn't have just come to be.

Like for an afterlife, ghosts, aliens or bigfoot there must be a god!

For life there doesn't have to be a god?

I have seen a few on here say I think Aliens MAY have had a hand in creating us.

Then a few people said who made Aliens? As if Aliens couldn't have happened by chance without a god?

But for some reason Humans came to chance without god?

The whole thing shows how contrary to your own beliefs many Atheists are.

If you ask me some of you here almost seem like Homosexuals who got their feelings by religion & became Atheists because of that.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#20998 Jun 27, 2012
Actual the very topic here seems like that of a Homosexual.

Homosexual in the closet?
Atheist in the closet?

WTF? Who cares I was an Atheist & I never CARED about it.

Some of you obviously are deep Atheists who seem hurt by religion.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#20999 Jun 27, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you were tracking a comm satellite. They meander in a figure 8 pattern over the period of 6 months or more. They're geosynchronous so they'd be pretty faint except in very, very dark skies. Back country mountains on moonless nights would be about right. Even with a good angle for sunlight reflection off of one of these, the apparent magnitude probably would be around 4-5, which would make it a pretty dim star.
It was extremely extremely bright.
About as bright as Venus appears.
It glowed seperate colors like some stars do. Like you would see it almost twinkle with shades of moslty White with some blue red & maybe yellow overtones.

It was way bigger than a satelite.

I have seen satelites in the sky & they are small.

This was big about 6 times the size of satelites I have seen in the sky.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21000 Jun 27, 2012
Really I would have certainly thought this thing was a star.
If it was heading West most certainly.

Not with it moving South East.

No way. No stars do that. No planets do this.

No sort of human craft I know does this. Helicopters & Planes can't move this slow.

Satelites move fast & are much smaller & not as bright.

IDK it was truly a U.F.O

“The eye has it...”

Since: Jan 12

Russell's teapot.

#21001 Jun 27, 2012
HugeKielbasa wrote:
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There is still no proof of Hitler's death.
It is like Hitler was a phantom of history.
You never can tell, it might have been Hitler under that root. It fits just about every possible paranormal explanation that could be given. Ghosts, pent up residual Nazi energy manifestation, it might have been the juggernaut swastika spinning across the ethereal plane and when it merged with our reality, the root was in it's way. Hitler might have been time travelling in one of the craft he borrowed from the hollow earth denizens that he was sure was there. Maybe Eva Braun .....you get the picture.

Because, MAAAN, it's just TOO crazy to think a tree root could do anything like that, naturally.

BTW..maybe I missed where you explained this. You said you and your friend ran, didn't tarry. You gtfo.

How did you know it was a root again?

Also, why would a spirit, ghost, energy etc...use a root?

I would imagine the energy needed to break a root and fling dirt in your face consumed far more energy than just tossing a proverbial netherworld dirt clod at you.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21002 Jun 27, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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Also, remember that bigfoot carries bison hairs with him and drops them on the ground to fool forensic scientists.
Forensics?
You do know we still don't have a real fossil record of chimpanzees or gorillas right?

Actually Gorillas & even Congo pygmies were considered pygmies in the 20th century!

We have recently found new hominids like Denisova hominid & Floresiensis.

Floresiensis I think could be Orang Pendek as it is small & similar to Orang Pendek sightings.

Floresiensis was found in the area of Orang Pendek sightings.

Coelacanth was thought to be extinct for 65 million years untill rather recently.
Only a hand full were found.

The fossil evidence supported that
Coelacanth was extinct for 65 million years

Yet we found a living
Coelacanth

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21003 Jun 27, 2012
I mean Gorillas & Pygmies were considerd Cryptids untill rather recently!

We found Gorillas & yet we still cant' find any real fossil record of Gorillas.

Maybe just recently we have started to find little bits of fossil records of chimpanzees & gorillas.

But of course they don't exist!

Because the fossil evidence supports against it!

“The eye has it...”

Since: Jan 12

Russell's teapot.

#21004 Jun 27, 2012
HugeKielbasa wrote:
<quoted text>
What is this? You act like if you believe paranormal, afterlife, aliens etc may exist that you must believe in god.
WTF?
Some of the Atheists on here I notice go against their very arguments.
They believe life just came to be.
That some how an afterlife, ghosts,aliens, bigfoot couldn't have just come to be.
Like for an afterlife, ghosts, aliens or bigfoot there must be a god!
For life there doesn't have to be a god?
I have seen a few on here say I think Aliens MAY have had a hand in creating us.
Then a few people said who made Aliens? As if Aliens couldn't have happened by chance without a god?
But for some reason Humans came to chance without god?
The whole thing shows how contrary to your own beliefs many Atheists are.
If you ask me some of you here almost seem like Homosexuals who got their feelings by religion & became Atheists because of that.
What say you? Criss Angel .... Real Wizard™... or no ?

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21005 Jun 27, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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Also, remember that bigfoot carries bison hairs with him and drops them on the ground to fool forensic scientists.
Native Americans spoke of bigfoot.

Sumerians spoke of a bigfoot like creature

Vikings when they came to America spoke of a giant hairy hominid that smelled really bad.

Of course Native Americans are short & can barely grow any hair.

Some of the earliest explorers in North America spoke of bigfoot.

Even one explorer was captured by a bigfoot.

The Patterson bigfoot video has been studied & can't even be replicated with modern technology. With the Patterson bigfoot's mouth moving, facial muscles moving.
With a gait walk that even trained athletes can't replicate.
Even hollywood movie specialists today say they couldn't replicate or would have extreme difficulty to replicate such a realistic bigfoot as the Patterson video.
The bigfoot in had huge long arms like a primate.
Even had a buldge in it's leg that moved.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21006 Jun 27, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
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What say you? Criss Angel .... Real Wizard™... or no ?
Creation of life & human life = Chance

Possibility of paranormal aliens, ghosts, afterlife, bigfoot etc = God exists!

See because life happens by chance!

You would need some kind of god for there to be aliens, ghosts, an afterlife or bigfoot!

Because those can't happen by chance!

Only human life that we know happens by chance without a god!

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21007 Jun 27, 2012
Nontheist wrote:
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You never can tell, it might have been Hitler under that root. It fits just about every possible paranormal explanation that could be given. Ghosts, pent up residual Nazi energy manifestation, it might have been the juggernaut swastika spinning across the ethereal plane and when it merged with our reality, the root was in it's way. Hitler might have been time travelling in one of the craft he borrowed from the hollow earth denizens that he was sure was there. Maybe Eva Braun .....you get the picture.
Because, MAAAN, it's just TOO crazy to think a tree root could do anything like that, naturally.
BTW..maybe I missed where you explained this. You said you and your friend ran, didn't tarry. You gtfo.
How did you know it was a root again?
Also, why would a spirit, ghost, energy etc...use a root?
I would imagine the energy needed to break a root and fling dirt in your face consumed far more energy than just tossing a proverbial netherworld dirt clod at you.
No your mom was under the dirt having sex with a corpse under a grave stone.

When she orgasmed & grabbed onto a root out of orgasm passion breaking the root out of the ground.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21008 Jun 27, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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Are you really so f**king retarded that you think atheism is
anything other than lack of belief in your fairy tales?
Are you really so f**cking retarded that you haven't figured out that I don't believe in christianity, the bible or the christian god?

I can see you are just so retarded, one track minded that you think that anyone who is critical of Atheism & believes the paranormal may exist must be some kind of bible thumping christian.

I really think you are a homosexual.

You wear Atheism on your sleeve like some sort of belief.

You literally are not just someone who doesn't believe in god.

You are someone who has almost a cult like belief on atheism.

Where anyone who is against your beliefs are some kind of fundie.

You are just like a fundamentalist in atheist form.

You act like atheism is your belief & anyone who is critical of it is creating a hate crime against you.

No doubt many of you on here are Homosexuals who became Atheist out of religion hurting your feelings.

I never got butthurt when someone was critial of atheism. Because it wasn't a belief like a religion it was just I didn't believe.

You are literally insulted by anyone who is not an Atheist.

I am not insulted if you don't believe in the paranormal.

I find it insulting when someone like you belittles, mocks paranormal events & thinks there is no chance of their existence.

I find this insulting because I HAVE SEEN things that I can't explain with logic
So have many other people.

I find it insulting to mock & think that paranormal can't exist.

It is an insult to anyone who has experienced these events.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21009 Jun 27, 2012
I have always held the view that I believe people untill they give me reason to not believe what they say.

Western Europeans I notice have a VERY VERY different view of the world.

Where they view all people as liars untill they prove they are not liars.

When I hear paranormal events I don't say LIARS CRAZY etc
NO I think there could be something there untill I see evidence to not too.

I don't get this Western European view of the world.
It is almost primal & disgusting.

Where Western Europeans act like everyone in the world is lying & trying to screw them over.

I can see why. From my experience most Western Europeans are liars trying to screw people over.

Of course they see the world as liars & people who screw over the world untill they prove against this

Because this is how they live their lives.

When there are so many cases of Paranormal & many cases of multiple people witnessing the same Paranormal event.

I don't say LIARS CRAZY

NO I think there could be something there & that they could be right untill proven otherwise.

I find it is insulting to assume someone is a liar all the time untill they give you evidence that they are not liars.

Well even many people who witness paranormal actiivty pass lie detectors & pass voice anylsis lie detectors.

So I am suppose to believe they are lying?

NO I think you dirty Western Europeans which include scientists

Should try to PROVE to them that what they seeing doesn't exist.

Instead of mocking & denial without even studying the paranormal evidence or events

WTF?
Something is wrong with Western Europeans you are very primal creatures.

Who always seem to think all you know is all there is.
Always seem to think everyone is lying unless they prove they are not lying.

Your people get on my nerves.

In fact everyone who is not Eastern European pretty much gets on my nerves.

You act & think as if you were primates.

Since: Jun 12

Brewster, NY

#21010 Jun 27, 2012
Yes I do think Scientists are lying to us about global warming, race & paranormal.

Yes I do.

Not because i hold this Western European view that they are liars untill they prove to be true.

Rather I DID once believe them.

Untill I did my own research.

I once believed in global warming.

I found out how our global warming trend is nothing crazy or out of the normal.
That data supports it was warming during the time of Ancient Egypt, Rome & Greece.

how between 2005-2010 there was a slight global cooling trend.

Yes I WAS GIVEN REASON to think they were liars so I no longer believed.

I ONCE believed in racial equality.
Untill I found all of the data saying otherwise.
How other scientists deemed them as evil racial scientists.
For me these scientists were more truthful than the other scientists like Gould.

Rushton believes Asians have a higher IQ than Whites & that Blacks have a larger penis size than Whites.
That this is from an evolutionary path.

Study after study confirms Asians have a higher IQ & Blacks have a larger penis size.

Study after study confirmed that Asians have larger brains & more brachycephalic skulls
Africans have smaller brains & more dolichocephalic skulls.

When people like Gould would completely neglect the data.

I found them to be dishonest.

I used to not really believe in the Paranormal.

As I have studied it & seen how NASA & the Miltary silenced & mocked U.F.O reports.

I found them to be dishonest.

Even with credible witnesses like all of the miltary personell who saw the Malmstrom base U.F.O

Yet the status quo still supports that it should be silenced, ignored & mocked.

I found this dishonest. So I began to find the Paranormal demonization dishonest.

I have seen how Scientists do the same with spirits & other paranormal.

They don't study it but just mock it without study.

I found this to be dishonest.

I actually found the witnesses to be more honest. I have seen myself evidence supporting to both the existence of U.F.O's & the spiritual.

I really don't get Western Europeans.
Western Europeans typically call everyone a liar untill they prove they are not a liar\.

Exept the scientists & experts. Who the experts appear to be the real liars here.

Instead the Western Europeans think the experts are not liars.
Even if they think everyone else is a liar.

I really don't get Western Europeans. Very one track minded, desperate, braindead, anal group of people.

With racism it goes the same way.

Western Europeans went to such great depths of racism for greed & power.

Now Western Europeans are a bunch of @$$kissers of multiculturalism.
Who blindly hate racism & support multiculturalism.

As 49% of the U.S babies are born White.

Their people are about to go extinct.

Yet now they think is the good time to hate racism.

Not when they were aweful imperialistic racist slave traders & land thieves.

No no no Western Europeans think racism is wrong blindly as they go extinct.

These retarded one track minded Western Europeans seem to stupid to even get it.

That their Nation & peoples are at risk.

The U.S is at risk of becoming Mexico annexed land.

Where is this berserk Western European racism in history?

No where? Now that Western Europeans are about to go extinct NOW racism is so bad.

F*cking one track minded retards I swear.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#21011 Jun 28, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Buck will deny it till his dying day because he can't stand the thought of a Christian being that evil and doesn't want that sort of evil associated with his beloved choice of theism.
People of all faiths and non-faiths have done atrocious things. Buck, along with other fundies like Glen Beck, is trying to rewrite history so his religion will not look bad.
If his religion works for him and makes him a better person, I'm happy for him. I'm not happy with his idiocy.
We have the same kind of people on this side of the atlantic ocean

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