New Jersey's state Senate passes gay marriage bill, Christie promises veto

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Feb. 13, 2012: Spectators in the balcony applaud the passage of the bill in the New Jersey State Senate recognizing same-sex marriages by a vote of 24-16, in Trenton, N.J. In a move that supporters called a civil rights milestone, New Jersey's state Senate on Monday passed a bill to recognize same-sex marriages, marking the first time state ... (more)

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You want my references...start with GENESIS!
BINGO! And the LOSER is "Get That Fool"

Are you even slightly aware of what an embarrassing assclown you are?

Fast friends with Miss Reality I see...

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..so we can call THEM biased and not worthwhile and demean the agenda behind them like we claim does not effect our own studies.
Sober up. You're not making any sense. You sound more desperate and incoherent than usual...
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Still waiting to see the "pure research" from your side...
You can marginalize the research studies I've cited until you're blue in the face, but it only gives you an embarrassingly blue face. I'm not surprised you would thoughtlessly discard research from scientists who are so adept at their work that they could diagnose and explain the mental illness you suffer from in a mere 20 minutes.
Struggle on, dolt!
And I understand why you need to believe them as if they were your bible.
How about first you read the METHODOLOGY of the studies and see how they limit the groups...then get back to me...but you wont. Must be bliss.
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You're not paying attention...we know the truth of your tainted studies, and they will never show ss parents are the same as mom/dad married in the home...never...
and now onto the blasting insults while calling you a hater rather than address what you have said part of the show.

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WRONG - you can get married/get divorced - multiple times in your case would be my guess/have kids/don't have kids - whatever you desire - I demand the same for me and my husband...no more, no less
You 'demand' that you and your husband can have kids??? Well, that demand us above our pay grade.....

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Still waiting to see the "pure research" from your side...
You can marginalize the research studies I've cited until you're blue in the face, but it only gives you an embarrassingly blue face. I'm not surprised you would thoughtlessly discard research from scientists who are so adept at their work that they could diagnose and explain the mental illness you suffer from in a mere 20 minutes.
Struggle on, dolt!
There's been plenty posted that you all just write off as hateful bigotry, not worth our time to put them up again....

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BINGO! And the LOSER is "Get That Fool"
Are you even slightly aware of what an embarrassing assclown you are?
Fast friends with Miss Reality I see...
Indeed!!!
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Sober up. You're not making any sense. You sound more desperate and incoherent than usual...
and now onto the blasting insults while calling you a hater rather than address what you have said part of the show.

eye yiye yiye.

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those studies were base on self reporting and on parents who chose to be involved with the study which slants results by cherry picking participants and by the fact that those who are failing do not generally report.
In short, garbage in, garbage out.
Apparently Paul Cameron's INFINITELY BOGUS "research" is all you have to refer to. Oh, and "Get That Fool's" good old crutch, the Book of Genesis of course...

The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003). A recent study of 256 lesbian and gay parent families found that, in contrast to patterns characterizing the majority of American parents, very few lesbian and gay parents reported any use of physical punishment (such as spanking) as a disciplinary technique; instead, they were likely to report use of positive techniques such as reasoning (Johnson & O'Connor, 2002). Certainly, research has found no reasons to believe lesbian mothers or gay fathers to be unfit parents (Armesto, 2002; Barret & Robinson, 1990; Bigner & Bozett, 1990; Bigner & Jacobsen, 1989a, 1989b; Bos et al., 2003, 2004; Bozett, 1980, 1989; Patterson, 1997; Patterson & Chan, 1996; Sbordone, 1993; Tasker & Golombok, 1997; Victor & Fish, 1995; Weston, 1991). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive home environments for children.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...
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Apparently Paul Cameron's INFINITELY BOGUS "research" is all you have to refer to. Oh, and "Get That Fool's" good old crutch, the Book of Genesis of course...
The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003). A recent study of 256 lesbian and gay parent families found that, in contrast to patterns characterizing the majority of American parents, very few lesbian and gay parents reported any use of physical punishment (such as spanking) as a disciplinary technique; instead, they were likely to report use of positive techniques such as reasoning (Johnson & O'Connor, 2002). Certainly, research has found no reasons to believe lesbian mothers or gay fathers to be unfit parents (Armesto, 2002; Barret & Robinson, 1990; Bigner & Bozett, 1990; Bigner & Jacobsen, 1989a, 1989b; Bos et al., 2003, 2004; Bozett, 1980, 1989; Patterson, 1997; Patterson & Chan, 1996; Sbordone, 1993; Tasker & Golombok, 1997; Victor & Fish, 1995; Weston, 1991). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive home environments for children.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...
here's my question I know you will not answer...if gays can be superior, how can they be THE SAME?

See how that works?

You cant be the EXACT same AND BETTER at the same time...

now let ME look at the methodology.

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Apparently Paul Cameron's INFINITELY BOGUS "research" is all you have to refer to. Oh, and "Get That Fool's" good old crutch, the Book of Genesis of course...
The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003). A recent study of 256 lesbian and gay parent families found that, in contrast to patterns characterizing the majority of American parents, very few lesbian and gay parents reported any use of physical punishment (such as spanking) as a disciplinary technique; instead, they were likely to report use of positive techniques such as reasoning (Johnson & O'Connor, 2002). Certainly, research has found no reasons to believe lesbian mothers or gay fathers to be unfit parents (Armesto, 2002; Barret & Robinson, 1990; Bigner & Bozett, 1990; Bigner & Jacobsen, 1989a, 1989b; Bos et al., 2003, 2004; Bozett, 1980, 1989; Patterson, 1997; Patterson & Chan, 1996; Sbordone, 1993; Tasker & Golombok, 1997; Victor & Fish, 1995; Weston, 1991). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive home environments for children.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...
Are you kidding?? The mom/dad family has been studied for decades, centuries...the results are always the same...children that don't have mom/dad in the home are at a disadvantage in many ways...

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and now onto the blasting insults while calling you a hater rather than address what you have said part of the show.
eye yiye yiye.
Now, now old man... I don't hate you, I just thoroughly detest your ignorance. "Love the ignorant, hate his ignorance" as they say...

Smooches!

Some critics have suggested these children -- along with Samuel David Cheney, Mary Cheney's infant son -- are doomed to a life of struggle compared with those raised in a more traditional, Ozzie-and-Harriet-model family, with a mother and a father.

But most studies have found that outcomes for children of gay and lesbian parents are no better -- and no worse -- than for other children, whether the measures involve peer group relationships, self-esteem, behavioral difficulties, academic achievement, or warmth and quality of family relationships.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-5...
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Apparently Paul Cameron's INFINITELY BOGUS "research" is all you have to refer to. Oh, and "Get That Fool's" good old crutch, the Book of Genesis of course...
The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003). A recent study of 256 lesbian and gay parent families found that, in contrast to patterns characterizing the majority of American parents, very few lesbian and gay parents reported any use of physical punishment (such as spanking) as a disciplinary technique; instead, they were likely to report use of positive techniques such as reasoning (Johnson & O'Connor, 2002). Certainly, research has found no reasons to believe lesbian mothers or gay fathers to be unfit parents (Armesto, 2002; Barret & Robinson, 1990; Bigner & Bozett, 1990; Bigner & Jacobsen, 1989a, 1989b; Bos et al., 2003, 2004; Bozett, 1980, 1989; Patterson, 1997; Patterson & Chan, 1996; Sbordone, 1993; Tasker & Golombok, 1997; Victor & Fish, 1995; Weston, 1991). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive home environments for children.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parentin...
from YOUR link:
"Another criticism has been that, although there is considerable diversity within lesbian and gay parenting communities (Barrett & Tasker, 2001; Morris, Balsam, & Rothblum, 2002), research has often focused on narrowly defined samples. Early studies did generally focus on well-educated, middle class families, but more recent research has included participants from a wider array of ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds (e.g., Wainright et al., 2004)."

further, they have not corrected for typical self reporting margins of error.
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You 'demand' that you and your husband can have kids??? Well, that demand us above our pay grade.....
lol - we'll see about kids - definately a possibility

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here's my question I know you will not answer...if gays can be superior, how can they be THE SAME?
See how that works?
You cant be the EXACT same AND BETTER at the same time...
now let ME look at the methodology.
You'll have to ask the researchers.

BTW, your question is so desperate it's pathetic! So, you're new argument is not that gay parents aren't "as good" as straight parents but that THEY SURE AREN'T BETTER!

Good luck figuring this all out, dear. I'm sure it will make your head explode. Let me be the one to light the match!
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No it isn't. The traditional family is an arranged marriage where the woman and children are property of the man.
I am noones property

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Now, now old man... I don't hate you, I just thoroughly detest your ignorance. "Love the ignorant, hate his ignorance" as they say...
Smooches!
Some critics have suggested these children -- along with Samuel David Cheney, Mary Cheney's infant son -- are doomed to a life of struggle compared with those raised in a more traditional, Ozzie-and-Harriet-model family, with a mother and a father.
But most studies have found that outcomes for children of gay and lesbian parents are no better -- and no worse -- than for other children, whether the measures involve peer group relationships, self-esteem, behavioral difficulties, academic achievement, or warmth and quality of family relationships.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-5...
Of course they do....what about the ones that say the opposite???

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Are you kidding?? The mom/dad family has been studied for decades, centuries...the results are always the same...children that don't have mom/dad in the home are at a disadvantage in many ways...
We're still waiting for you to source your claim. What it says in Genesis and what you THINK as a dimwitted onlooker are not good enough for this debate.

Show us your sources!(do you even know what that means?!)

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You'll have to ask the researchers.
BTW, your question is so desperate it's pathetic! So, you're new argument is not that gay parents aren't "as good" as straight parents but that THEY SURE AREN'T BETTER!
Good luck figuring this all out, dear. I'm sure it will make your head explode. Let me be the one to light the match!
I found the question to be revealing and thought-provoking. I found your answer to be dissmissive and condescending which tells me, you have no answer at all....

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from YOUR link:
"Another criticism has been that, although there is considerable diversity within lesbian and gay parenting communities (Barrett & Tasker, 2001; Morris, Balsam, & Rothblum, 2002), research has often focused on narrowly defined samples. Early studies did generally focus on well-educated, middle class families, but more recent research has included participants from a wider array of ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds (e.g., Wainright et al., 2004)."
further, they have not corrected for typical self reporting margins of error.
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