Gay marriage now front and center in battleground states

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Cat74 wrote:

If by hook, and by crook the Democrats steal enough votes to get Obama reelected he will have to clean up the mess left behind by him in his first term!! So funy.

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Uh, could it possibly be because they aren't a success? You think?

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Snickers wrote:

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Why would I be "screaming" about heterosexual couples on a gay website? We are here to discuss the issue of "gay marriage,"

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They're NOT ?! Oh my ! Who knew ?! Who could've guessed ?!

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Xstain Mullah Franchisee wrote:

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Because every hoary lie and defamation you make up or raise about same sex couples is true of str8 ones, too.
You idiotic, bigoted freeeks can't begin to explain in a rational way how marriage equality will ruin your marriages.
Which, by the way, you no longer have since you're divorced, you vile, xstain hypocrite. You scum are the outliers now. Praiz!

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Snickers wrote:

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Better read my last post, Bob. Golden Gator doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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Point one: I think heterosexuals with open marriages are hurting themselves and their children (if they have any). I don't agree with what they are doing any more than I agree with gays doing it. And yes, I care.
Point two: Even heterosexuals that have open marriages are not intent on changing the institution of marriage so that monogamy is removed from the institution. Some gays have indeed stated that their intention is to change the institution so that it is no longer what it has been with monogamy no longer part of the relationship.
Point three: Why would I be "screaming" about heterosexual couples on a gay website? We are here to discuss the issue of "gay marriage," remember? Thanks to our lovely president the issue is now, as the title of this article says, front and center. It is now of concern to all of us. We'll be voting this issue even if we feel it is not the most important issue of the coming election. Open heterosexual marriages are not front and center and of interest in the coming election.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:

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Many heteros have made the same statements about open marriages or support it through their actions, but of course that doens't get any of the press coverage because the anti-gays want to blame all the current problems of marriage on the gays.
BFD, one or two gay people have said they want to change marriage. People say all sorts of stupid things. But of course you support discriminating against ALL same-sex couples because of the actions or statements of a few. That's what bigots do best.

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Snickers wrote:

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You aren't listening.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:

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No, the real issue is equal rights. Gays are well aware there will always be some people who hate us, just as there will always be some people who hate blacks and jews and asians and many other minorities just because they're "different". Marriage isn't about the benefits either. If gays just wanted the benefits, then we'd just marry someone of the opposite sex and scam the benefits; many gay & straight people have done that in the past and will likely continue to do that regardless of whether or not same-sex couples can marry.
The majority of single people believe the benefits given to married couples are justified, and the overwhelming majority know they will one day take advantage of those very benefits.
It's about equal rights, and equal rights can't come until there is a certain level of societal accptance. Again, it won't ever be 100% for ANY group, but the accpetance of gays & lesbians and our unions is already there with a significant portion of society.

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Snickers wrote:

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Where do you get that? I don't blame the current woes of marriages on gays. But when and if we have universal "gay marriage" and the hetero marriage situation gets a lot worse, THEN I'll blame it on the gays. I'd really rather prevent than place blame. "All same-sex couples" don't even want to get married. I think it is highly possible that MOST same-sex couples don't want to get married. What gays all want, however, is validation. You think that if your marriages have the same legitimacy as hetero marriages then you will have total acceptance and validation of your lifestyle. It won't happen even if you are willing to throw traditional marriage under the bus to try to get it. Even if gays and their supporters are willing to try to totally corrupt religious beliefs to try to get it. There will always be those who adhere to truth, tradition, and the heritage passed down to us by our faithful fathers and mothers. You see, not everyone is willing to trample all over those things in total rebellion for any gain, much less as dubious a gain as a perverted style of "marriage" for less than 3% of the population.

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xxxrayted wrote:

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Well you touched on a point I glossed over which is equal rights. Okay, so some judge rules or law is created so that gays have equal rights to married people. Well then isn't that a violation of equal rights to single people? That aside, what about equal rights to a father and daughter who wish to marry?
See, no matter what angle you use, the very same argument can be made for any two people who wish to marry. That's the problem. And to "assume" that probably won't happen is just a guessing game because a precedent is then set.
Equal rights does not apply to marriage because marriage is not a right. Nowhere will you find in any state or federal law that all citizens have the right for a state to recognize their marriage. As you pointed out, if a gay person wishes to marry so badly, the state will recognize his or her marriage provided it fits the definition of marriage which in our country is one man and one woman.
But if you're hell bent on considering marriage as a right anyway, then I will tell you that such rights are violated all the time. I'm a landlord and have to get my property inspected before I rent it out to a tenant. People in single homes here don't have to do that. I'm a truck driver which means I have a Commercial Drivers License (CDL). If I'm caught driving my truck while talking on the cell phone, I get fined $2,700. People in cars are not forbidden by the federal government to talk on their phones. And because I have a CDL, I am held to DUI levels of a truck driver (which is about one beer) even if I'm far away from work driving my own personal vehicle. Other people driving the exact same car as me can drink up to five times the amount I'm allowed.
Equal Rights apply to people who have no choice as to who they are. I have a choice just as you. I chose to be a truck driver and a landlord just as you chose to hook up with a person of the same sex. So both of us can change our plight even though it would mean major life changes that we really don't want.

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xxxrayted wrote:

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Equal Rights apply to people who have no choice as to who they are. I have a choice just as you.

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Mormon Dead Jew Baptisms wrote:

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Good, then by your reasoning we could discriminate at will against people on the basis of their religious identity, a choice.
Except we can't, because your post indicates you are a totally lawless loon. The rest of us aren't, give or take.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:

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All you have to do is look at the marriage & divorce rates of heteros in states with marriage equality and then compare that to the states which ban same-sex couples from marrying.
The state with the LOWEST divorce in the nation is Massachusetts, followed by Connecticut, Vermont, New York, etc. And their divorce rate has FALLEN even more since they started allowing same-sex couples to marry. The state with the HIGHEST divorce rate is Oklahoma, followed by Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky, etc.
I agree, there will always be bigots who won't accept same-sex couples as married, just as there are bigots who still don't accept inter-racial couples as married. Bigots will be bigots.

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Snickers wrote:

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You might want to look at this. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/map_of_the... Massachusetts also has one of the lowest marriage rates in the country.

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Snickers wrote:

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Massachusetts also has one of the lowest marriage rates in the country.

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Snickers wrote:

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You might want to look at this. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/map_of_the... Massachusetts also has one of the lowest marriage rates in the country.