BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89173 Jul 4, 2012
Own a gun? Doctors can refuse to treat you
Judge issues permanent injunction in 'Docs vs. Glocks' case

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/own-a-gun-the-doct...

Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#89174 Jul 4, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
But why did the founding fathers require natural born citizenship for the President and no other office?(VP too.) Clearly, as John Jay wrote in his letter to George Washington:
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check ... nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen…[i]
John Jay referred in his letter to “Command in Chief” as we understand today to be the Commander in Chief. The U.S. President is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. To this point in the book, we have not been able to discern with certainty what John Jay meant by natural born citizen, so let us see if we can understand what was meant by Foreigner(s). Returning to our dictionary.com site, foreigner is defined as:
...a person not native to or naturalized in the country or jurisdiction under consideration; alien.[ii]
Clearly under this definition, this is our first indication that maybe dual citizenship does not preclude one from being a natural born citizen. Utilizing this definition for foreigner, it is clear that Barack Obama would not be considered an alien of the United States. Being born in Hawaii and although having dual citizenship, he did possess U.S. citizenship through his Mother, so it would certainly appear that he would not be considered a foreigner or an alien. Was this enough for him to satisfy what was meant by John Jay’s qualification of natural born citizenship status for the Presidency?
... the Federalist Papers were written and published in New York City newspapers to persuade the people. In the final analysis, it may simply be that the term natural born citizen was firmly rooted in the minds of the founders either through de Vattel’s definition or another definition they commonly knew, so the founders never questioned in their minds what was meant. Was there any other evidence as to why the founders included this provision especially with respect to using the term natural?
The founding fathers were learned men. They had read and were versed in many subjects and literate in the writings and teachings of the political thinkers that came before them. One such political thinker whom the founding fathers were profoundly familiar was Cicero. In reading Cicero’s works on natural law, the founders concluded that:
The Law of Nature or Nature’s God is eternal in its basic goodness; it is universal in its application. It is a code of “right reason” from the Creator himself. It cannot be altered. It cannot be repealed. It cannot be abandoned by legislators or the people themselves, even though they may pretend to do so. In Natural Law we are dealing with factors of absolute reality. It is basic in its principles, comprehensible to the human mind, and totally correct and morally right in its general operation.[iv]
They created the Supreme Law of Land when they wrote the Constitution based on this idea of natural law. Emmerich de Vattel’s The Law of Nations is a treatise on natural law as indicated by the full title of his treatise: The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law.[v]
If we study this idea of natural law in relation to birth, we have to conclude that God given birth rights has something to say on the subject, therefore, the parents citizenship must play a part in the birth rights of the child, and arguably must play at minimum an equal role to the place of birth of the child. It is reasonable to conclude that this may be the very reason that de Vattel defined natural born citizen in the manner in which he did: on the soil of the country to citizen parents of the country.
...
"Permit me to hint whether" or not it would be "wise and seasonable" for birfoons to to "declare expressly" coherent thoughts in their own words, and cite their sources efficiently summarizing. The implication is that if you cannot write your thoughts in the English language, you should go back to middle school and quit wasting the time of literate individuals.

American Lady

Danville, KY

#89175 Jul 4, 2012
Obama's Social Security Number challenged
Exclusive: Jack Cashill reports on woman's court filing based on myriad anomalies

Daniels, who has vetted thousands of Social Security Numbers for numerous other clients, has done her homework. In her filing, she thoroughly documents her contention “that Barack Obama has repeatedly, consistently, and with intent misrepresented himself by using a fraudulently obtained Social Security Number.”

To acquire appropriate standing in court, Daniels has gone to the trouble of establishing herself as a valid write-in candidate for president. Before she is through, this 70-something mother of seven, who has been a licensed Ohio PI since 1995, may cause Obama more trouble than the Romney campaign.

...

To have gotten a Social Security card at this time Obama would have had to show up for a “mandatory in-person interview.” This could not have taken place in Connecticut. Obama’s sister, Maya, by contrast, uses a number appropriate for a Hawaiian resident.

The ample evidence Daniels gathered led her to believe that the 042 number Obama has been using “had previously been issued to another person,” one who lived in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979 and who was born in 1890.

MORE

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-secu...
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#89176 Jul 4, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>
Spare me your "DEMOS" talking points. Truth is irrelvant to Progressive Liberals. All are inconvient facts to Progressive shills.
The facts are as cited. Maya did not say it, neither did Mrs Ayers. These are FACTS, not talking points.

What you claimed were lies, birther "taling points," which are not true. None of the people you quoted said any such things.
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#89177 Jul 4, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
What does
"born in the allegiance of the United States"
define?
All persons born in the USA who are not the children of foreign diplomats are born in the allegiance of the USA.
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#89178 Jul 4, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
But why did the founding fathers require natural born citizenship for the President and no other office?(VP too.) Clearly, as John Jay wrote in his letter to George Washington:
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check ... nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen…[i]....
I would argue it is for this reason,*allegiance.*
http://hesnotmypresident.wordpress.com/2009/0...
Vattel recommended many things that our Constitution did not adopt, such as a state religion and that only the nobility should own firearms. IF the writers of the US Constitution had meant to use his definition of Natural Born and not the definition that they were familiar with and was common, the definition in the common law, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US.
Ellen

Arlington, MA

#89179 Jul 4, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Obama's Social Security Number challenged
Exclusive: Jack Cashill reports on woman's court filing based on myriad anomalies
Daniels, who has vetted thousands of Social Security Numbers for numerous other clients, has done her homework. In her filing, she thoroughly documents her contention “that Barack Obama has repeatedly, consistently, and with intent misrepresented himself by using a fraudulently obtained Social Security Number.”
To acquire appropriate standing in court, Daniels has gone to the trouble of establishing herself as a valid write-in candidate for president. Before she is through, this 70-something mother of seven, who has been a licensed Ohio PI since 1995, may cause Obama more trouble than the Romney campaign.
...
To have gotten a Social Security card at this time Obama would have had to show up for a “mandatory in-person interview.” This could not have taken place in Connecticut. Obama’s sister, Maya, by contrast, uses a number appropriate for a Hawaiian resident.
The ample evidence Daniels gathered led her to believe that the 042 number Obama has been using “had previously been issued to another person,” one who lived in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979 and who was born in 1890.
MORE
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-secu...
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...

http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...

You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? Why not?

Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do. And there is no evidence that this is other than a mistake, or a lot of mistakes. Republicans would be GLAD to hold a hearing to show that there was a crime involved with Obama's SS number. But they KNOW that there is no evidence, and if they looked into their own files (I did to mine), they are likely to find multiple numbers in them.(Have you looked into your own Social Security file?)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89180 Jul 4, 2012
Federal Document Dump Policy Changes After Obama Probe Begins.

New rules authorize government to destroy Obama's draft records

http://times247.com/articles/federal-document...

Perfect timing..... huh?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89181 Jul 4, 2012
Bill · Top Commenter ·
By these changes being made with the Selective Service Records is a real and distinct slap in the face to all of those that have served in the Armed Forces in the past as well as now and will in the present. No individual whether it be this Individual who's title is President or not that should not be done. In his "own words" if you do dot have anything to hide let the facts be what they are. So apparently this individual does have a lot to hide . Shape up America , We as citizens of The United States of America are in trouble if this is allowed to continue.

==========

Today's Tea Party still making history
Times247
Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Like the Boston patriots who made history in 1773, today's Tea Party has inspired the American people. Its efforts helped elect leaders like Rep. Allen West and Sen. Marco Rubio. Media are forced to talk about limited government. The Constitution is once again discussed at dinner tables and the workplace. As the nation prepares for a pivotal election, the Tea Party is framing the debate in ways that would make the Founding Fathers proud. Read more...

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/federal-document...

http://times247.com/articles/federal-document...

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#89182 Jul 4, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Obama's Social Security Number challenged
Exclusive: Jack Cashill reports on woman's court filing based on myriad anomalies
Daniels, who has vetted thousands of Social Security Numbers for numerous other clients, has done her homework. In her filing, she thoroughly documents her contention “that Barack Obama has repeatedly, consistently, and with intent misrepresented himself by using a fraudulently obtained Social Security Number.”
To acquire appropriate standing in court, Daniels has gone to the trouble of establishing herself as a valid write-in candidate for president. Before she is through, this 70-something mother of seven, who has been a licensed Ohio PI since 1995, may cause Obama more trouble than the Romney campaign.
...
To have gotten a Social Security card at this time Obama would have had to show up for a “mandatory in-person interview.” This could not have taken place in Connecticut. Obama’s sister, Maya, by contrast, uses a number appropriate for a Hawaiian resident.
The ample evidence Daniels gathered led her to believe that the 042 number Obama has been using “had previously been issued to another person,” one who lived in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979 and who was born in 1890.
MORE
http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-secu...
Thd social belonged to a former French citizen who immigranted to CT and then in later years Hawaii. This man never utilized the social programs so he was a perfect candidate for fraud. Obama's Grandmother Dunham worked in probate in Hawaii, and it would have been very easy for she to obtain a deceased individuals social for her grandson. Remember when he came to her home at 10 years old, Obama was traveling on an Indonesian passport under the name of Barry Soetoro. He would have had to register as a foreign national. Stanley Anne his mother was still in Indonesia. And according to her passport renewel record in the State Depart files, Stanley struck "Soebarak" off the renewel once she realized that he nolonger could travel on her passport as an American citizen. Why? It would be a false statement where she could be prosecuted.(read the teminology on your passport). And because he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro her husband.
The passport information was made public knowledge in a Freedom of Information suit filed by a Mr. Strunk against the State Department. You can google it. There is a letter also stating that someone had removed her original passport record from their file which is kept on a person for 100 years. They had no idea who did this. That first passport record would have governed tha time of Obama's birth, and her travels prior to Indonesia. Interesting how the "Powers that be" can effect the truth!! In 2008 the State Dept. Passport files were assessed by John Brennan's employee and others to supposedly look at McCain, Clinton, and Obama's records. The only file that they intended to cauterize, remove sensitive information was Obama's. The others were a smoke screen.
Brennen at the time was a campaign advisor for Obama. After the election he became the man in charge of our counterintelligence. This is a man quite capable of underhanded activities to shield Obama's Presidency.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#89183 Jul 4, 2012
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...
You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? Why not?
Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do. And there is no evidence that this is other than a mistake, or a lot of mistakes. Republicans would be GLAD to hold a hearing to show that there was a crime involved with Obama's SS number. But they KNOW that there is no evidence, and if they looked into their own files (I did to mine), they are likely to find multiple numbers in them.(Have you looked into your own Social Security file?)
Progressive shills have an answer for everything. Truth is a meaninless atrribute to be manipulated for their comman good. How much does "DEMOS" pay you for surfing the threads???
Curious Lurker

Tampa, FL

#89184 Jul 4, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
"Permit me to hint whether" or not it would be "wise and seasonable" for birfoons to to "declare expressly" coherent thoughts in their own words, and cite their sources efficiently summarizing. The implication is that if you cannot write your thoughts in the English language, you should go back to middle school and quit wasting the time of literate individuals.
I come to Topix every week or two in order to see how much dumber it can get.
Do you and that Poopoo clown have ANY life other then professional Obama butt-lickers and Topix clowns?
Does the CPUSA mot have something better for you two idiots?

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#89185 Jul 4, 2012
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>
The facts are as cited. Maya did not say it, neither did Mrs Ayers. These are FACTS, not talking points.
What you claimed were lies, birther "taling points," which are not true. None of the people you quoted said any such things.
Fact is, what you state is nothing more than Progressive talking points...sheer hogwash, to bolster your fraudulent lying prince.
Everything I've stated is a true representations of what those folks said. It just doesn't feed the Progressive monologue of deception.
You shills are losing ground with the electorate. We're sick of Obama's lies and that loud sounding click is likely the television stations changing once he opens his mouth.

“WestieLover”

Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#89186 Jul 4, 2012
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>
The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.
Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...
http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...
You might well ask why, if there is evidence that Obama has multiple SS numbers and that one of them came from Connecticut that NO committee in Congress wants to investigate? Why not?
Because it is not illegal to have mistakes in your SS files, and lots of people do. And there is no evidence that this is other than a mistake, or a lot of mistakes. Republicans would be GLAD to hold a hearing to show that there was a crime involved with Obama's SS number. But they KNOW that there is no evidence, and if they looked into their own files (I did to mine), they are likely to find multiple numbers in them.(Have you looked into your own Social Security file?)
Progressive shills have an answer for everything. Truth is a meaningless attribute to be manipulated for their common good. How much does "DEMOS" pay you to surf the threads?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89187 Jul 4, 2012
Who does President Barack Obama think he is that he can change the wording of the Declaration of Independence? Again and again he presumes to quote the great declaration while making a significant change: He omits the word "Creator."

Americans know that the Declaration of Independence proclaims as a matter of fact that they "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights." But when Obama recites this line, he omits the word "Creator."

Listen carefully to how Obama censors that famous line. Here are his own words: "all men are created equal, that each of us are endowed with certain inalienable rights." He doesn't say who endowed us.

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/obama-omits-crea...

pos
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89188 Jul 4, 2012
Conservative girl wrote:
<quoted text>Thd social belonged to a former French citizen who immigranted to CT and then in later years Hawaii. This man never utilized the social programs so he was a perfect candidate for fraud. Obama's Grandmother Dunham worked in probate in Hawaii, and it would have been very easy for she to obtain a deceased individuals social for her grandson. Remember when he came to her home at 10 years old, Obama was traveling on an Indonesian passport under the name of Barry Soetoro. He would have had to register as a foreign national. Stanley Anne his mother was still in Indonesia. And according to her passport renewel record in the State Depart files, Stanley struck "Soebarak" off the renewel once she realized that he nolonger could travel on her passport as an American citizen. Why? It would be a false statement where she could be prosecuted.(read the teminology on your passport). And because he was adopted in Indonesia by Lolo Soetoro her husband.
The passport information was made public knowledge in a Freedom of Information suit filed by a Mr. Strunk against the State Department. You can google it. There is a letter also stating that someone had removed her original passport record from their file which is kept on a person for 100 years. They had no idea who did this. That first passport record would have governed tha time of Obama's birth, and her travels prior to Indonesia. Interesting how the "Powers that be" can effect the truth!! In 2008 the State Dept. Passport files were assessed by John Brennan's employee and others to supposedly look at McCain, Clinton, and Obama's records. The only file that they intended to cauterize, remove sensitive information was Obama's. The others were a smoke screen.
Brennen at the time was a campaign advisor for Obama. After the election he became the man in charge of our counterintelligence. This is a man quite capable of underhanded activities to shield Obama's Presidency.
Thank you CG, for some very explicit information!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89189 Jul 4, 2012
Watching some "very PRETTY" Fireworks as I type!!!!!!....;-)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89190 Jul 4, 2012
NUGENT: Happy Independence DNA
Real Americans never surrender

In a sea of soulless, sheeplike dependency, it’s easy to spot the fiercely independent people who continue to declare our independence. We are the producers, the people who make the country work. We are business owners and hardworking employees. We are fiercely American; we believe in self-reliance and rugged individualism.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/...

Richard • a day ago

If obama had a son who was a rock star he would in no way shape or form look like Ted.

Thank you Jesus.
==========

AMEN!.....;-)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89191 Jul 4, 2012
America's top 7 toughest Founding Fathers

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/07/04/the-7...

The Fireworks "presentation" is "saying"....

~~~~~~~God~~~~~~~
~~~Bless America~~~
~~~~~~~Again~~~~~~~
American Lady

Danville, KY

#89192 Jul 4, 2012
NUGENT: Celebrate when good conquers evil
Stories of guns saving lives should be spread from coast to coast

There is so much good news that goes largely unreported that it makes me want to scream. As I write this, just a couple of days ago, a 14-year-old boy in Phoenix who was watching his three siblings at home shot a punk who busted through a door and pointed a gun at the young man.

This is an incredibly wonderful news story that should be the lead story on the evening network news. It should be the front-page story in the New York Times. The Sunday morning talking heads should talk about it.

But it won’t be covered by the media. Outside of the Phoenix area and this opinion piece in The Washington Times, this wonderful good-news story will not be heard or read. What a shame.

The real shame is that similar incredibly good news events happen every day countless times across America and get virtually no ink or airtime. Evil conquers good in the media: When Americans use guns to stamp out evil, news reports are virtually nonexistent.

But today I’m screaming with joy. A young man saved himself and his three young siblings by using his father’s gun to blow a hole in the maggot, who probably is a paroled punk with an arrest record 3 feet long.

This young man should be honored with a ticker-tape parade in Phoenix and granted immunity for life from Arizona state taxes. I’m calling Sheriff Joe Arpaio to request that “America’s sheriff” make this young man an honorary member of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/...

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Nugent has a unique way of writing what all decent people in America think.
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