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American Lady

Danville, KY

#88507 Jul 1, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I read an article the other day that stated that the last thing the founding fathers wanted was to have some one of the British come in and take over the country. Thus the natural born citizen clause.
Exactly...That's who we fought the Revolution with....

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April 14, 1775 - Massachusetts Governor Gage is secretly ordered by the British to enforce the Coercive Acts and suppress "open rebellion" among colonists by using all necessary force.

April 18, 1775 - General Gage orders 700 British soldiers to Concord to destroy the colonists' weapons depot.

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British forces then begin a long retreat from Lexington back to Boston and are harassed and shot at all along the way by farmers and rebels and suffer over 250 casualties. News of the events at Lexington and Concord spreads like wildfire throughout the Colonies.

April 23, 1775 - The Provincial Congress in Massachusetts orders 13,600 American soldiers to be mobilized. Colonial volunteers from all over New England assemble and head for Boston, then establish camps around the city and begin a year long siege of British-held Boston.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#88508 Jul 1, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeing is believing. So far you are
says the moron with inefficiencies out the wazoo ...
1 post removed
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#88510 Jul 1, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
says the moron with inefficiencies out the wazoo ...
Say something intelligent please.

I'm out of the building for the duration.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88511 Jul 1, 2012
Black mobs now beating Jews in New York
Gruesome attacks leave broken bones, life-threatening injuries in their wake
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88512 Jul 1, 2012
Sheriff Joe set to release more Obama 'shockers'
Arpaio schedules another news conference on eligibility

WND will once again provide live Web streaming of the event.

The evidence will include information gathered in the posse’s recent investigative trip to Hawaii as well as an update on the ongoing investigation.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88513 Jul 1, 2012
College asks 'millions' to read U.S.'birth certificate'
'Largest-ever public reading' of 'most important civil document in the world'

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08


#88514 Jul 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 1
Document 18
St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries 1:App. 316--25, 328--29
1803 <<<---<< LQQK at the DATE of YOURS...then LQQK at Justice Story's after DEBATE!
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
1.Records of the Federal Convention
2.Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1472--73,
1833 <<<<----< HERE!
Here are the links....
Sorry =)
BirfoonLady: "then LQQK at Justice Story's after DEBATE!"

From Joseph Story, as linked to by BirfoonLady:

"As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States, ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office ...."

Got a clue yet?
1 post removed
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88516 Jul 1, 2012
Didn't Holder just get charged with THIS:
Contempt of Congress....??????

What IS being DONE about iT...???????


Article 3: Contempt of Congress.

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of the President of the United States, and to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, had failed without lawful cause or excuse, to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas. The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President. In refusing to produce these papers and things, Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgement as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by Constitution in the House of Representatives.

In all this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial and removal from office.

(Approved 21-17 by the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, July 30, 1974.)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88517 Jul 1, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonLady: "then LQQK at Justice Story's after DEBATE!"
From Joseph Story, as linked to by BirfoonLady:
"As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States, ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office ...."
Got a clue yet?
ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office ...."
The BIG 0...IS one...

BORN of a "foreign national".....

Got a clue yet?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08


#88518 Jul 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
In the Venus Case, Justice Livingston, who wrote the unanimous decision, quoted the entire §212nd paragraph from the French edition of Vattel, using his own English, on p. 12 of the ruling:
Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says:
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
“The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it…
The VENUS case!
Start around Paragraph 123
Start around "obiter dictum".


The case had nothing to do with who is a natural born citizen of the United States.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#88519 Jul 1, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Say something intelligent please.
I'm out of the building for the duration.
Oh bother - I failed to make a new friend ...

Hope you find some new crap to paste in ... maybe another good fable about foreign student aid?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88520 Jul 1, 2012
University of Hawaii

In September 1959, Obama Sr. enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa in Honolulu as the university's first African foreign student.

Entering the U.S.- Documents required for Foreign Nationals (International Travelers)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08


#88521 Jul 1, 2012
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Barack Obama Sr was never a citizen of The United States,not even for one day.
That's news?

His son has been a natural born citizen since the day he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the 44th President of the United States.
Ellen wrote:
<quoted text>
Every native born US citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
That's just a few of the opinions, which stem from the key US Supreme Court ruling, Wong Kim Ark, which ruled that EVERY child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is Natural Born.
And there have been LOTS of lower-court rulings, all stemming from the Wong Kim Ark ruling, which have stated that the US-born children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens, due to their natural birth, birth in America.
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999)(children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):
“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983)(child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):
“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time.*** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08


#88522 Jul 1, 2012
Cancer on the pResidency wrote:
<quoted text>
The USSC was talking about ONE CHILD born of,(TWO), US citizen parents, not many children born in this country with only one or no citizen parents, WoTARD!
How many parents does it take for a person to have citizen parents?
Those born in the US with one US parent, or even no US citizen parents are considered to be 14th Amendment Native born citizens.
Sorry, Tacky, but "all children born" is obviously not a reference to "ONE CHILD".

Get real. Statutory construction is based on plain meaning, not illiterate schizophrenic nonsense.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Tacky, but the court in Minor never referred to "a person" having citizen parents. The court referred to a class of individuals, "children born in a country of parents who were its citizens."
If you have 1000 children each born of one citizen parent, they collectively were born of citizen PARENTS.
Please learn the English language.
<quoted text>
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88523 Jul 1, 2012
Natural-born citizen

Natural-born citizen is a term used in some countries to describe a certain kind of citizenship in terms of a requirement for eligibility to serve as head of state of a given country. It is mentioned in the United States Constitution as a requirement for the President and Vice President of the US.

US constitutional definition

The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization."

Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

It is thought the origin of the natural-born citizen clause can be traced to a July 25, 1787, letter from John Jay to George Washington, presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention. John Jay wrote: "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen." There was no debate, and this qualification for the office of the Presidency was introduced by the drafting Committee of Eleven, and then adopted without discussion by the Constitutional Convention.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): A person born within the jurisdiction of the U.S. to non-citizens who "are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity" is automatically a >>>>>>citize n.<<<<<<NOT nbc.....
*Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 U.S. 657 (1927): A child born outside the U.S. cannot claim U.S. citizenship by birth through a U.S. citizen parent who had never lived in the U.S. prior to the child's birth.(This is still true today, although the specific statutes upon which the Supreme Court's ruling was based have changed since 1927.)
*Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. "We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive.

The only difference
drawn by the Constitution
is that only
the 'natural born' citizen

is eligible

to be President."
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#88524 Jul 1, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your point, honey? Terri Tunna starts every one of her posts with a put down. Turn around is fair play!
Tell her that. I'm not her and I'm sure she can answer for herself, as she has demonstrated time and time again.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88525 Jul 1, 2012
Native-born citizen

In general, a native-born citizen of a country is a person who was born within the country's territory and has been legally recognized as a citizen of that country since birth. In some countries, being a native-born citizen provides certain privileges and rights not afforded to naturalized or foreign-born citizens, such as being able to hold certain offices or being able to pass on citizenship to one's offspring.

In some countries, native birth is a requirement for certain high offices, such as the head of state or head of government. For example, according to the Constitution of Brazil, the following offices are exclusive for born Brazilians:[1]
I - those of President and Vice-President of the Republic;
II - that of President of the Chamber of Representatives;
III - that of President of the Federal Senate;
IV - that of Judge of the Supreme Federal Court;
V - those of the diplomatic career;
VI - that of officer of the Armed Forces;
VII - Minister of Defense.

Being a native-born citizen is not exactly the same as the principle of jus soli
(that is, citizenship due to place of birth).

For example, a person born in Japan to Japanese parent(s) is clearly a native-born citizen of Japan.

However, such a person became a citizen of Japan due to jus sanguinis (that is, citizenship through descent)

as Japan does not recognize the principle of jus soli.

In many countries (such as Japan), being native-born is not sufficient to confer citizenship.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#88526 Jul 1, 2012
Government Statistics > Government type (most recent) by country

Countries (A to Z) Description
Afghanistan Islamic republic
Albania emerging democracy
Algeria republic
American Samoa NA
Andorra parliamentary democracy (since March 1993) that retains as its chiefs of state a coprincipality; the two princes are the president of France and bishop of Seo de Urgel, Spain, who are represented locally by coprinces' representatives
Angola republic; multiparty presidential regime
Anguilla NA
Antigua and Barbuda constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government
Argentina republic
Armenia republic
Aruba parliamentary democracy
Australia federal parliamentary democracy
Austria federal republic
Azerbaijan republic
Bahamas, The constitutional parliamentary democracy
Bahrain constitutional monarchy
Bangladesh parliamentary democracy
Barbados parliamentary democracy
Belarus republic in name, although in fact a dictatorship
Belgium federal parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy
Belize parliamentary democracy
Benin republic
Bermuda parliamentary; self-governing territory
Bhutan in transition to constitutional monarchy; special treaty relationship with India
Bolivia republic
Bosnia and Herzegovina emerging federal democratic republic
Botswana parliamentary republic
Brazil federal republic
British Virgin Islands NA

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08


#88527 Jul 1, 2012
Cancer on the pResidency wrote:
<quoted text>
Minor was a Natural born citizen, and the court did not construe the 14th Amendment to determine that she was a Natural born citizen, WoTARD!
The Supreme Court in Minor did not construe the 14th Amendment as to the issue of citizenship. Gray is absolutely wrong. The Court in Minor construed Article 2 Section 1, not the 14th Amendment. For over a century, it has been wrongly assumed that the Court in Minor did construe the 14th Amendment, and that the holding of Minor was later superseded by Wong Kim Ark. This is not correct.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but the court never held Virginia Minor to be a natural born citizen. The court indeed construed the Fourteenth Amendment as per her citizenship.

"The question is presented in this case, whether,
since the adoption of the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT, a
woman, who is a citizen of the United States and of
the State of Missouri, is a voter in that State, notwithstanding
the provision of the constitution and
laws of the State...." (emphasis added)
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that what your favorite birfoon blog said?
Sorry, BirfoonBoy.
“In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice
Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the
very provision of the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT now in
question, said:” See Ark at 655.(emphasis added)
This was mentioned just the other day. Got Alzheimer's?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#88528 Jul 1, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
What rag did you get that claptrap from?
"We use only those stations
that have a period of overlap with neighboring stations
(within 1200 km) of at least 20 years [see Hansen et al.,
1999, Figure 2], which reduces the number of stations
used in our analysis to about 6300."
That's 6300 stations, Bozo.
<><><>< ><><><> <><><>< ><><><> <><><>< ><><><> <><><>< ><><><> <><><>< ><>
Illiterate Lying Fool: "For example for the past decade he has been relying mostly on Urban Heat Island temps which are skewed."
Actual Methodology used satellite data to control for any urban/rural differences:
"If there are not a sufficient number of nearby rural stations,
the “bright” station is excluded from the analysis.
[32] We present evidence here that the urban warming has
little effect on our standard global temperature analysis.
However, in Appendix A we carry out an even more rigorous
test. We show there that there are a sufficient number
of stations located in “pitch black” regions, i.e., regions
with brightness below the satellite’s detectability limit
(&#8764;1 mW m&#8722;2 sr&#8722;1 mm&#8722;1), to allow global analysis with only
the stations in pitch black regions defining long&#8208;term trends.
The effect of this more stringent definition of rural areas on
analyzed global temperature change is immeasurably small
(<0.01°C century&#8722;1). The finding of a negligible effect in
this test (using only stations in pitch black areas) also
addresses, to a substantial degree, the question of whether
movement of weather stations to airports has an important
effect on analyzed global temperature change."
Note to Rogue Scholar. Stop it, the spectacle is nothing short of some poor sap being thrown to the lions. It's not sufficient for you to know how to read texts and scientific papers, it is essential to understand them. Which you obviously do not. Wojar is obviously and academician. It would be no shame to learn from him. I know I do.

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