Oklahoma "personhood" bill fails in Legislature

Apr 19, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

A proposed 'personhood' law in Oklahoma that would grant embryos full rights as people from the moment of conception failed in the state's Legislature without coming to a vote in the House of Representatives, lawmakers said on Thursday.

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call him/her what makes your conscience feel good but inside a mother's womb IS a baby
call him/her what makes your conscience feel good but inside attached to the wall of the uterus IS a zygote, no matter how hard you stomp your lying antiabortionist's feet.

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call him/her what makes your conscience feel good but inside a mother's womb IS a baby and to kill it IS murder ...
Shame upon oklahoma peeps that care more for their career than human life
What is inside the uterus is an embryo or fetus, depending upon gestational age. "Baby" has always been slang for an infant, and infants are already born. "Baby" is also a term of endearment for just about everything under the sun. I can call my youngest child "Baby", but she is 18, and not really one.

Murder is a legal term for an illegal act. Specifically, illegal killing. Any killing that is legal, is not murder. Such as killing in defense of self, loved ones, and country. Also, executing a criminal is also not murder. Abortion is legal. Killing yes, but legal. Since you cannot HAVE legal illegal killing, abortion is demonstrably not murder.

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I just don't want to be attacked for asking an honest question. That's all. She didn't attack me last night and gave a good answer.
It's a public forum. You can't tell people not to answer your question.

In that spirit...The only connection having sex has to do with abortion is that is how the woman gets pregnant. The act of sex has nothing to do with whether she wants to give birth or not. As another poster wrote, "The consent to have sex is not a consent to be pregnant."
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call him/her what makes your conscience feel good but inside a mother's womb IS a baby and to kill it IS murder ...
there ya' go
Shame upon oklahoma peeps that care more for their career than human life
Take a peek inside your womb and see exactly what your baby looks like at the moments of fertilization and implantation, throughout all three trimesters, and at full-term. Find out how big your baby is at every step along the way and see our slide show of fruit and veggie size comparisons.

http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-i...

When abortion is not the issue, even pro-abortionists agree on the biological facts. Babies are not made in heaven and then delivered at birth by storks; they arrive in this world at conception. Life comes from life, but the individual existence of each human being has its own starting point. Neither sperm nor ovum is a separate creature of the species Homo sapiens -- but together they generate a new human entity; individually they cease to exist at conception (fertilization), when by fusion they produce a zygote, a unique human being.

http://www.l4l.org/library/wrngnotr.html

Once pregnancy occurs, different effects take place in the body of the woman. Development of the baby in the womb produces many biochemical changes.

http://www.makewayforbaby.com/babies/prenatal...

Is prenatal care important?
Taking Care of You and Your Baby While You're Pregnant
Prenatal care is very important. To help make sure that you and your baby will be as healthy as possible, follow some simple guidelines and check in regularly with your doctor.

http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/pregn...
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Murder an illegal act
Abortion Safe, legal, medical procedure.
There you go.
Abortion is death, the killing of innocent defenseless people. Not at all safe for the people killed with abortion.

The Nazi leadership used a series of legal mechanisms -- which, in contrast to the revolutionary overthrow of power in 1918, judges tended to consider legitimate -- to gradually assume and consolidate Hitler's power. Then, step by step, and always under the guise of safeguarding the state, the Nazi leadership imposed legislation that fulfilled its ideological goals of rearmament, military expansion, and racial purification. Throughout the 1930s and especially after the Nazi regime began World War II in 1939, the judiciary typically rendered verdicts according to the principles of Nazi ideology and the wishes of the Führer.

In reality, judges were among those inside Germany who might have effectively challenged Hitler's authority, the legitimacy of the Nazi regime, and the hundreds of laws that restricted political freedoms, civil rights, and guarantees of property and security. And yet the overwhelming majority did not. Instead, over the 12 years of Nazi rule, during which time judges heard countless cases, most not only upheld the law but interpreted it in broad and far-reaching ways that facilitated, rather than hindered, the Nazis' ability to carry out their agenda.

Legislative acts, and case law that show the gradual process by which the Nazi leadership, with support or acquiescence from the majority of German people, including judges, moved the nation from a democracy to a dictatorship, and the series of legal steps that left millions vulnerable to the racist and antisemitic ideology of the Nazi state. These legal instruments reveal the positions that judges took and the questions that they faced during the Nazi regime; in so doing, they provide a framework for thoughtful and meaningful debate on the role of the judiciary in society and its responsibilities today.

The Nazis targeted Jews as the main enemy, killing six million Jewish men, women, and children by the time the war ended in 1945.

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Abortion is death, the killing of innocent defenseless people. Not at all safe for the people killed with abortion.
The Nazi leadership used a series of legal mechanisms -- which, in contrast to the revolutionary overthrow of power in 1918, judges tended to consider legitimate -- to gradually assume and consolidate Hitler's power. Then, step by step, and always under the guise of safeguarding the state, the Nazi leadership imposed legislation that fulfilled its ideological goals of rearmament, military expansion, and racial purification. Throughout the 1930s and especially after the Nazi regime began World War II in 1939, the judiciary typically rendered verdicts according to the principles of Nazi ideology and the wishes of the Führer.
In reality, judges were among those inside Germany who might have effectively challenged Hitler's authority, the legitimacy of the Nazi regime, and the hundreds of laws that restricted political freedoms, civil rights, and guarantees of property and security. And yet the overwhelming majority did not. Instead, over the 12 years of Nazi rule, during which time judges heard countless cases, most not only upheld the law but interpreted it in broad and far-reaching ways that facilitated, rather than hindered, the Nazis' ability to carry out their agenda.
Legislative acts, and case law that show the gradual process by which the Nazi leadership, with support or acquiescence from the majority of German people, including judges, moved the nation from a democracy to a dictatorship, and the series of legal steps that left millions vulnerable to the racist and antisemitic ideology of the Nazi state. These legal instruments reveal the positions that judges took and the questions that they faced during the Nazi regime; in so doing, they provide a framework for thoughtful and meaningful debate on the role of the judiciary in society and its responsibilities today.
The Nazis targeted Jews as the main enemy, killing six million Jewish men, women, and children by the time the war ended in 1945.
**SIGH**

you really do not get it do you.. the nazi regime was a criminal organization. That masqueraded as a political party.

it took advantage of a people hardships from an economy that had crashed hard after world war 1.

You can keep on trying to argue the this, but history has already made you liar. Ask any German how legitimate any of those actions were. And the answer will be the same. None of those actions were legal.

All were forced and any one that opposed the regime was "arrested" and almost with certainty were shot.

One of the biggest stumbling blocks for Hitler and could have destroyed the entire veneer of looking legitmate was the fact the Wehrmacht was not beholden to the fuhrer. A sticking point all through the war for the Nazi. The only way the nazi were able to gain the support of the Army was to have the army swear an allegiance to the Fuhrer himself. Something that even then Hitler never really trusted as being enough to keep the Army and navy in line.

your conclusions as usual are wrong and stupidly so for continuing to argue a point that has been long settled. Both by the victory of allies and the world court.

That is reality. Deal with it.

Though what has a walk down history has to do with a woman making a Choice concerning her pregnancy in America in the 21rst century. I can only chalk up to your insane beliefs.
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Elise, that doesn't make sense. Sex is the mode to become pregnant. That's like saying to pull the trigger of a gun isn't giving the gun permission to fire. Pulling the trigger is the mechanism to fire the bullet.

There has to be a good answer somewhere.

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Take a peek inside your womb and see exactly what your baby looks like at the moments of fertilization
It isn't a baby at inspection, and it isn't a baby two hours later and it isn't a baby three months later and it isn't a baby six months later.

It's a baby when it is born and breathing.

Why do antiabortionists have such difficulties with the truth and the English language?

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<, when by fusion they produce a zygote,
A zygote is not a human being.

It is a cell mass about the same size of the period at the end of this sentence.

Oh my, there's a another human being!
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**SIGH**
you really do not get it do you.. the nazi regime was a criminal organization. That masqueraded as a political party.
it took advantage of a people hardships from an economy that had crashed hard after world war 1.
You can keep on trying to argue the this, but history has already made you liar. Ask any German how legitimate any of those actions were. And the answer will be the same. None of those actions were legal.
All were forced and any one that opposed the regime was "arrested" and almost with certainty were shot.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks for Hitler and could have destroyed the entire veneer of looking legitmate was the fact the Wehrmacht was not beholden to the fuhrer. A sticking point all through the war for the Nazi. The only way the nazi were able to gain the support of the Army was to have the army swear an allegiance to the Fuhrer himself. Something that even then Hitler never really trusted as being enough to keep the Army and navy in line.
your conclusions as usual are wrong and stupidly so for continuing to argue a point that has been long settled. Both by the victory of allies and the world court.
That is reality. Deal with it.
Though what has a walk down history has to do with a woman making a Choice concerning her pregnancy in America in the 21rst century. I can only chalk up to your insane beliefs.
What the nazi government chooses to with their jews is their business not yours. Say what you want about your own jews. Jew sniffer.
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A zygote is not a human being.
It is a cell mass about the same size of the period at the end of this sentence.
Oh my, there's a another human being!
So if I am bigger than you, does that mean you are not a human being? A persons a person no matter how small.
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Chicken and eggs are 2 separate things. Abortion has been legal since 1973, get used to it. Keep your religious beliefs OUT of my government, and womens' private parts. Also keep beliefs OUT of Science!
Join the 21st century, we're not going backwards to the dark ages.

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So if I am bigger than you, does that mean you are not a human being? A persons a person no matter how small.
A bundle of cells the size of the period at the end of this sentence is not a human being.

No matter how hard to stomp your feet.

All, there's two more human beings!

OOPS... there's another.

Oh no! a entire busload!
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Chicken and eggs are 2 separate things. Abortion has been legal since 1973, get used to it. Keep your religious beliefs OUT of my government, and womens' private parts. Also keep beliefs OUT of Science!
Join the 21st century, we're not going backwards to the dark ages.
An ostrich egg isn't a chicken. A chicken egg is a chicken. Keep that head buried in the sand though. If thats what it takes your government to legalize abortion. Perhaps you were never in the womb, but I know I was. My belief is that my life should have been protected while I was in the womb. Instead my death was condoned while I was in the womb. Although some arbitrary tyrant did not choose to kill me. I am still extremely disheartened, and disillusioned. None of your threats, or attacks will ever lessen the discouragement I feel over socities complete lack of respect for my life while I was in the womb.

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<quoted text>An ostrich egg isn't a chicken. A chicken egg is a chicken. Keep that head buried in the sand though. If thats what it takes your government to legalize abortion. Perhaps you were never in the womb, but I know I was. My belief is that my life should have been protected while I was in the womb. Instead my death was condoned while I was in the womb. Although some arbitrary tyrant did not choose to kill me. I am still extremely disheartened, and disillusioned. None of your threats, or attacks will ever lessen the discouragement I feel over socities complete lack of respect for my life while I was in the womb.
Oh the DRAMA!!!

No one owes you anything. You must be one of them Quiverfull idiots.
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Elise, that doesn't make sense. Sex is the mode to become pregnant. That's like saying to pull the trigger of a gun isn't giving the gun permission to fire. Pulling the trigger is the mechanism to fire the bullet.
There has to be a good answer somewhere.
Does that mean you are opposed to birth control?

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<quoted text>An ostrich egg isn't a chicken. A chicken egg is a chicken.
No darling.

A chicken egg is a chicken egg.

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My belief is that my life should have been protected while I was in the womb.
You were not alive in the womb and your status as a fetus was protected by your mother and that is as it should be.

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Life Begins at Fertilization
It doesn't.
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No, it doesn't. Birth control is fine. I actually prefer people to use birth control if they are not ready to be parents. It makes good sense, I think.

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