Evolution vs. Creation

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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and who created the "intelligence" that created life?
no matter how you dice it, Intelligent Design is just creationism repackaged.
its intelligent designers all the way down

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
It's not the greatest country in the world," he fumes. "We're seventh in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, No. 4 in labor force, and No. 4 in exports.... So when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the f*** you're talking about."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/02/us/american-exc...
In 2011, the United States spent 18% of its gross domestic product on health, much more than its allies.
Contrast those figures with Japan. The Asian country of 125 million spent just 8.5% of its GDP on healthcare in 2009, among the best figures in the developed world. Yet, despite lower costs, it's No. 3 on the list of life expectancies (behind tiny Monaco and Macau) and 220th (out of 221) in infant mortality, according to the CIA Factbook. The United States ranks 50th in life expectancy and 173rd in infant mortality.
Perhaps surprisingly for a country that prides itself on its ability to do business, the United States does not lead the world in several indices of commerce. The International Finance Corporation and the World Bank ranked 183 countries in 11 areas; the United States didn't finish first in any of them, ending up fourth behind Singapore, Hong Kong and New Zealand in ease of doing business, 20th in trade across borders, and a dismal 72nd in paying taxes.
New Zealand, in fact, ranks highly in several areas. It's No. 1 in the world for starting a business, protecting investors and incorruptibility. The World Bank list placed it No. 3 overall. On last year's Forbes list of best countries for business, it was No. 2, behind Canada. The United States was 10th.
THE FIRST STEP IN SOLVING A PROBLEM IS RECOGNIZING YOU HAVE ONE, SOMETHING PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM CAN'T DO.
But fortunately we have liberals with open minds that haven't been indoctrinated with American exceptionalism. There is hope for America

wolverine wrote:

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Boy Are You Gullible...Most Of Those Surveys Are Not Accurate And Do Not Take All Of The Factors Into Consideration.
Literacy...??? Because We Are The Only Country That Allows Unrestricted Immigration, We Have A Unnatural Amount Of Scum Coming From Mexico.
Health Care Costs.....See Above
We Pay For Illegals To Have Babies, Then Afford Them Citizenship.
If You Wanna BE Like The Rest Of The World...Go, Be Free,
I'll Buy You A One Way Ticket.
Liberals, Are The Problem....Please Take Them With You, When You Leave....The Next 8 Years , Ain't Going To Be Too Nice For You.

Drew Smith wrote:

So there wouldn't have been any death if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned?
Wouldn't that have caused a serious population problem among the animals and plants?

Thomas Robertson wrote:

According to Duane Gish, we were vegetarians and all other animals were vegetarians until the Fall of Man.

Elohim wrote:

<quoted text>I have found The Truth. The Truth is Bob. The
spirit of perversion is right there in your phoney religion. Your kind condones pedophiles leading the flocks of sheep.

Drew Smith wrote:

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So there wouldn't have been any death if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned?
Wouldn't that have caused a serious population problem among the animals and plants?

HTS wrote:

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The modern theory of evolution contends that everything in nature is explained solely materialistically... That no spiritual dimension.

Discord wrote:

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You can replace 'modern theory of evolution' with 'all of science'. That is what I have been saying all along. Science can only deal with the materialistic universe because that is what can be objectively observed, measured and analyzed.
There is a difference between these two statements:
1. Science can only observe and measure and deal with the physical, materialistic, natural universe.
2. The physical, materialistic, natural universe is all there is.
Science is saying 1, 2 is a personal philosophical belief that some people have. The spiritual world, metaphysics, morality, questions of why are we here, those aren't things science is meant to deal with, which is why we have philosophy, religion, meditation, introspection, enlightenment, etc.
Not one single scientific discipline addresses the spiritual: chemistry, physics, biology. So again, why is the Theory of Evolution alone being singled out?

Discord wrote:

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You can replace 'modern theory of evolution' with 'all of science'. That is what I have been saying all along. Science can only deal with the materialistic universe because that is what can be objectively observed, measured and analyzed.
There is a difference between these two statements:
1. Science can only observe and measure and deal with the physical, materialistic, natural universe.
2. The physical, materialistic, natural universe is all there is.
Science is saying 1, 2 is a personal philosophical belief that some people have. The spiritual world, metaphysics, morality, questions of why are we here, those aren't things science is meant to deal with, which is why we have philosophy, religion, meditation, introspection, enlightenment, etc.
Not one single scientific discipline addresses the spiritual: chemistry, physics, biology. So again, why is the Theory of Evolution alone being singled out?

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>Chemistry and physics don't contend that god does not exist. The theory of evolution clearly states that god did not create life.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>Chemistry and physics don't contend that god does not exist. The theory of evolution clearly states that god did not create life.

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Your problem is that you assume that God is not physical or does to conform to natural laws. No one is suggesting that god is magic. That is an atheistic myth. God acts through laws that man does not understand. That is no different than any theory of abiogenesis.

Subduction Zone wrote:

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No, the theory of evolution clearly states how existing life evolved. It has nothing to say about how it was created. Why should evolution involve a god? You don't use one to explain chemical reactions or physical events, what makes life special?

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>Chemistry and physics don't contend that god does not exist. The theory of evolution clearly states that god did not create life.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>It clearly states that NATURALISM ALONE is the creator of life.

HTS wrote:

<quoted text>It clearly states that NATURALISM ALONE is the creator of life.

RU CRS wrote:

We have imperfections here on Earth because of mankinds stupidity and disobedience to our Creator in the first place. Even death was brought about because of man and his willful stupid disregard for the Creator. The cursed imperfect things on this Earth didn't have to be here if our forefathers had listened and obeyed.

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>You are blessed...

Subduction Zone wrote:

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You seem to be conflating evolution with abiogenesis. By the way, abiogenesis is correct too, but we are not debating that right now. You can keep making your mistaken claim about evolution and we will keep correcting you. From the Wiki article on evolution:
[quote]Evolution is any change across successive generations in the inherited characteristics of biological populations.[/quote]
Does that say anything about creating life? Nope. So unless you can find a source that claims differently you are wrong. And please no cretinist sits that misdefine evolution for their own evil reasons.