Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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<quoted text>There's also the issue of forcing a premature child, and all the lifetime health problems that child may have, on to a woman and her family. People like Lily are quick to judge a woman in such a situation, but are invisible when it comes to raising that child, and dealing with the effects it may have on the entire family. Obviously, a woman in that situation, of having to abort to save her life, did not choose to have to make that decision and is traumatized enough without self-righteous morons telling them they have absolutely no right to abort.
Exactly. Idiots like LYnne and the Skank keep things like 'There's NO reason NOT to have a so called viable baby if the mothers life is endangered', never mind that its premature and will need expensive and invasive care and may likely have terrible medical issues their whole lives. BUT GIT THAT BABY BORN NO MATTER WHAT!@@

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<quoted text>Isn't she grand? I adore her too
Yup. And Rach? I've learned from you too. You may play flip and funny, but you were there for me when it counted. You rock too woman.

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<quoted text>There's also the issue of forcing a premature child, and all the lifetime health problems that child may have, on to a woman and her family. People like Lily are quick to judge a woman in such a situation, but are invisible when it comes to raising that child, and dealing with the effects it may have on the entire family. Obviously, a woman in that situation, of having to abort to save her life, did not choose to have to make that decision and is traumatized enough without self-righteous morons telling them they have absolutely no right to abort.
Lets not forget too that although only 2% of abortions are LTA's, that's a significant number for women like those that are in the article. There were about 4 million actually born, and even 2% of that is a lot.

some stats:

Pregnancy:
There are approximately 6 million pregnancies every year throughout the United States:

4,058,000 live births
1,995,840 pregnancy losses
Pregnancy Loss:
Every year in the United States there are approximately 2 million women who experience pregnancy loss:

600,000 women experience pregnancy loss through miscarriage
1,200,000 women experience pregnancy loss through termination
64,000 women experience pregnancy loss through ectopic pregnancy
6,000 women experience pregnancy loss through molar pregnancies
26,000 women experience pregnancy loss through stillbirth
Pregnancy Complications:
Every year in the United States:

875,000 woman experience one or more pregnancy complications
458,952 babies are born to mothers without adequate prenatal care
467,201 babies are born prematurely
307,030 babies are born with Low Birth Weight
154,051 children are born with Birth Defects
27,864 infants die before their first birthday
Reproductive Health:
Every year in the United States, there are 60,000,000 women in the childbearing years of 15-44 :

70% of these women are sexually active
64% use a form of contraception
3,000,000 use NO contraception, accounting for 47% of unplanned pregnancies
6,000,000 women deal with infertility
2,000,000 married couples are infertile
Currently there are 68,000,000 individuals with an STD:

There are 15,300,000 new STD cases each year
3,000,000 teenagers acquire an STD each year
Pregnancy & Social Concerns:
Every year in the United States:

468,988 babies are born to teenage mothers each year
11% of pregnant woman are diagnosed with Post Partum Depression
820,000 woman smoke cigarettes while pregnant
221,000 women use illicit drugs during pregnancy
757,000 woman drink alcohol while pregnant
240,000 pregnant women are subject to domestic violence
40% of assaults begin during the first pregnancy
Pregnant women are twice the risk of battery

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<quoted text>There's also the issue of forcing a premature child, and all the lifetime health problems that child may have, on to a woman and her family. People like Lily are quick to judge a woman in such a situation, but are invisible when it comes to raising that child, and dealing with the effects it may have on the entire family. Obviously, a woman in that situation, of having to abort to save her life, did not choose to have to make that decision and is traumatized enough without self-righteous morons telling them they have absolutely no right to abort.
Yes, they don't think of anything beyond their own nose. What happens to the woman or the family involved after the fact, or even the baby once born, is of no interest to them.

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<quoted text>Two, for my BSN.
Good luck to you!

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<quoted text>But isn't that my point? When no consideration is put on the fetus, in countries with no restrictions, that sends a message that abortion is OK, and all about the woman. Of course LTA abortions would be lower, they just abort sooner due to the lack of legal and moral respect of potentail human life.
Actually, no. You are incorrect. Their *total* abortion rate is lower than ours, BA. And I'm not talking about the total number, I'm talking about abortions as a *percentage* of pregnancies.

So your logic/assumptions are flawed.
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Bain is not equal to Bane. Beam is not equal to bean. Bain is equal to beam while Bane is equal to bean.

Bain is just like Beam, as Romney having partnered with Bain, making to be the beam of sunshine of new light of guiding path for the freedom people.

Romney is the rising super-fellow, like the super force similar to legends of Superman , Dirty Harry and Batman, to save the troubling USA people from the horrible Obama's destruction.

Obama is like having brain cells made of bean, acting out his dark force like Bane.

While Obama acted out his wishes (in advance) attending a basketball game, looked like a retired shameful person by seeking shelter around the ordinary people. He has shame to look at people straight in the eyes because of all the troubles he had caused to all people -- that is what he wants to do after election, to be hiding the shame watching a basketball game --yet he still has time to do his kissing wife in order to soothe his shame--And that will be his wishes , for that is what he wants to do some time after the election.

Romney and Ryan will be riding high, getting tough and tougher and toughen up.
The super force from Romney and Ryan, can be really great like Superman, Batman and Dirty Harry as the the glorious lights of new Beam for you people--hence, just elect the guiding lights of new direction beam for yourselves --Romney & Ryan 2012.

Obama and Biden, having brains cells made like from bean, and are evil and bad like Bane, will learn their lessons.
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<quoted text>Elise's point was that she didn't believe people were here to learn or educate, yet you admit that you learned something from the debate here? Pupsee, I like you, and I have always stood up for you and probably always will, but you have to forget about the idiots here on the PL side that turned on you and speak your own PL mind again. Your views haven't changed, just who you consider friends has changed. A little secret, few like me because I will never sell my own opinions for the sake of being friends, and I wouldnt have it any other way. PC is about necessary choice, but some here have no consideration for the fetus at all, tell me, do you consider abortion to be 100% about the woman's choice until the cord is cut? Or do you believe that some restrictions should be imposed?
Who here believes in abortion up until delivery and the cord is cut, BA? That is so out there AND illegal -- it's difficult to think you'd really believe it. Yet you've attributed it to me. Who else do you attribute it to? And why?

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When it comes to LTA's, do you honestly believe that women decide to do so without second guessing the decision? Thankfully, I have never been in the position of having to make that choice but I would think that if a woman is that far along in her pregnancy, it's because she chose to remain pregnant, is excited and happy to be pregnant and that if something horrific arose, I would think that she would do everything possible to ensure a live delivery. I would think that she's getting various opinions from various medical professionals and utilizing various medical tests in order to make the best decision. I find it hard to believe that a woman goes through 8 months of pregnancy, is told there's something horrifically wrong with her fetus and just tells the MD to abort it without another thought.
"The report did not indicate that any of the 420 late abortions were performed because of maternal health problems."
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@@ They may not be "as risky" the but FACT is they ARE still more risky than an abortion, MUCH more in fact -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/23/us-...
Women are 14 times more likley to die before, during or after pregnancy than during an abortion.
Just ONE woman's death is too many if it could have been prevented:
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/12/09/woma...
We know you think its much more humane to force gestation then euthanise a born child, you've said that over and over here in the past Lynnieksin, but FORTUNATELY, you dont get a say in these issues. Women get to make their OWN choices.
Oh, and for the record, YOU - an ignorant lying, high school drop out, sack of shit is not qualified in ANY way, shape or form to make the claim that "there is no justified reason these days not to give birth to a live child you wanted", because in MEDICAL FACT, there are MANY justified reasons not go give birth to a wanted child when the pregnancy puts the woman's health at risk, or the child will be born with such severe illnesses, diseases or handicaps that the woman gestating makes the call that it IS justified. And it DOES happen, whether you want to believe it or not.
Just a FEW reasons woman have abortions for medical reasons today, and these are just in the baby or fetus:
EVERY ONE OF THESE WOULD BE A JUSTIFIED REASON - not that ANYONE NEEDS To justify their PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISION to the likes of a nothing like YOU.
Achondroplasia Jeune Syndrome
Achondrogenesis Meckel-Gruber syndrome
Agenesis of Corpus Callosum Megaureter
Amniotic constriction bands Microcephaly
Anencephaly Multicystic dysplastic kidneys
Asphyxiating thoracic dystrophy Myelomeningocele
Atrial septal defect Omphalocele
Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome Osteogenesis imperfecta
Body Stalk anomaly Porencephaly
Congenital heart disease Prune Belly syndrome
Congenital polycystic kidneys Pulmonary hypoplasia
Congenital pulmonary lymphangiectasia Rachischisis
Congenital kidney diseases Renal agenesis
Congenital Dwarfism Rh Incompatibility
Craniofacial anomalies Spina bifida
Cystic Hygroma Schizencephaly
Cyclops Thanatophoric Dysplasia
Dandy Walker malformation Tetralogy of Fallot
Diaphragmatic hernia Thalassemia major
Duodenal atresia TORCH
Ectopia Cordis Total anomalous pulmonary venous drainage (TAPVD)
Encephalocele Truncus Arteriosus
Exencephaly Transposition of great vessels
Fetal alcohol syndrome Tricuspid atresia
Gastroschisis Trisomy 13 (Patau syndrome)
Holoprosencephaly Trisomy 18 (Edward syndrome)
Hydranencephaly Trisomy 21 (Down syndrome)
Hydrocephalus Turner Syndrome
Iniencephaly
Want the REST of the alphabet Lynniekins for MEDICALLY JUSTIFIED REASONS for abortion in the fetus? Want the same kind of list for the maternal reasons?
You're such an ignorant blowhard.

We're talking about VIABLE fetuses meaning; a fetus that has a good chance to survive outside of the womb.

We're also talking about health risk to mother, and in late term abortions, there's as much a risk to the woman having a later term abortion on a viable fetus as giving birth.

http://www.womenhealthzone.com/womens-reprodu...

"When infection enters the bloodstream, this could even lead to a more life-threatening condition called sepsis. A higher generation antibiotic is usually given during this time. If left untreated, this could result into septic shock and eventually, death. Another risk that could occur in a late term abortion is hemorrhage.

Since it involves the use of surgical instruments, the risk for bleeding is higher. Furthermore, some tears on the uterine wall might cause continuous bleeding and scarring. Some might not even be able to conceive in the future. In other cases, the torn uterus might have to be removed fully to prevent any life-threatening conditions."

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Actually, there are MANY reasons, none of which require your approval Lynnekins.
Making women undergo unwanted and unnecessary surgery is barbaric. Thankfully, we dont live in a society that would force that on women.
Yet they often have to "undergo surgery" to kill their viable child in utero.

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@@ They may not be "as risky" the but FACT is they ARE still more risky than an abortion, MUCH more in fact -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/23/us-...
Women are 14 times more likley to die before, during or after pregnancy than during an abortion.
Just ONE woman's death is too many if it could have been prevented:
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/12/09/woma...
We know you think its much more humane to force gestation then euthanise a born child, you've said that over and over here in the past Lynnieksin, but FORTUNATELY, you dont get a say in these issues. Women get to make their OWN choices.
Oh, and for the record, YOU - an ignorant lying, high school drop out, sack of shit is not qualified in ANY way, shape or form to make the claim that "there is no justified reason these days not to give birth to a live child you wanted", because in MEDICAL FACT, there are MANY justified reasons not go give birth to a wanted child when the pregnancy puts the woman's health at risk, or the child will be born with such severe illnesses, diseases or handicaps that the woman gestating makes the call that it IS justified. And it DOES happen, whether you want to believe it or not.
Just a FEW reasons woman have abortions for medical reasons today, and these are just in the baby or fetus:
EVERY ONE OF THESE WOULD BE A JUSTIFIED REASON - not that ANYONE NEEDS To justify their PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISION to the likes of a nothing like YOU.
Achondroplasia Jeune Syndrome
Achondrogenesis Meckel-Gruber syndrome
Agenesis of Corpus Callosum Megaureter
Amniotic constriction bands Microcephaly
Anencephaly Multicystic dysplastic kidneys
Asphyxiating thoracic dystrophy Myelomeningocele
Atrial septal defect Omphalocele
Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome Osteogenesis imperfecta
Body Stalk anomaly Porencephaly
Congenital heart disease Prune Belly syndrome
Congenital polycystic kidneys Pulmonary hypoplasia
Congenital pulmonary lymphangiectasia Rachischisis
Congenital kidney diseases Renal agenesis
Congenital Dwarfism Rh Incompatibility
Craniofacial anomalies Spina bifida
Cystic Hygroma Schizencephaly
Cyclops Thanatophoric Dysplasia
Dandy Walker malformation Tetralogy of Fallot
Diaphragmatic hernia Thalassemia major
Duodenal atresia TORCH
Ectopia Cordis Total anomalous pulmonary venous drainage (TAPVD)
Encephalocele Truncus Arteriosus
Exencephaly Transposition of great vessels
Fetal alcohol syndrome Tricuspid atresia
Gastroschisis Trisomy 13 (Patau syndrome)
Holoprosencephaly Trisomy 18 (Edward syndrome)
Hydranencephaly Trisomy 21 (Down syndrome)
Hydrocephalus Turner Syndrome
Iniencephaly
Want the REST of the alphabet Lynniekins for MEDICALLY JUSTIFIED REASONS for abortion in the fetus? Want the same kind of list for the maternal reasons?
We're talking about VIABLE fetuses. So your post is irrelevant to that, as usual.

There's as much risk to the woman to abort late term, and of a VIABLE fetus no less, as there is to birth a live child. Women who WANT their child will risk it to save their child's life, as well as their own. Viable means the chance to survive outside of the womb is good.

http://www.womenhealthzone.com/womens-reprodu...

"When infection enters the bloodstream, this could even lead to a more life-threatening condition called sepsis. A higher generation antibiotic is usually given during this time. If left untreated, this could result into septic shock and eventually, death. Another risk that could occur in a late term abortion is hemorrhage.

Since it involves the use of surgical instruments, the risk for bleeding is higher. Furthermore, some tears on the uterine wall might cause continuous bleeding and scarring. Some might not even be able to conceive in the future. In other cases, the torn uterus might have to be removed fully to prevent any life-threatening conditions."
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<quoted text>There's also the issue of forcing a premature child, and all the lifetime health problems that child may have, on to a woman and her family. People like Lily are quick to judge a woman in such a situation, but are invisible when it comes to raising that child, and dealing with the effects it may have on the entire family. Obviously, a woman in that situation, of having to abort to save her life, did not choose to have to make that decision and is traumatized enough without self-righteous morons telling them they have absolutely no right to abort.
I'm not judging women. I'm judging their decisions, which you people also do when it comes to aborting at viability when there's no risk to mother or child. There's a difference between judging a person and judging their choices. It's not self-righteous to judge choices.

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<quoted text>Good article and good points Foo. This makes strong arguments for exceptions to abortion laws. Personally, I believe that severe fetal defects should be an exception to any abortion law, just as the woman's life or health, or rape and incest should be. When it comes to the abortion issue, both sides seem to want "all or nothing". This article would suggest that no restrictions should apply becuase LTAs are rare and women with legitimate reasons would not be considered, yet many more women would/could choose to abort viable fetuses for no legitimate reason if there were no restriction. On the other hand, the PLM want restrictions on abortion at 20 weeks irregardless of the circumstances, yet this would be immoral and cruel to women in such circumstances as described in the article.
The answer is real discussion and compromise, laws with reasonable exceptions. What is wrong with this country that we can not try to understand and appreciate both sides of such a critical issue?
Many of us have said that we accept the exceptions for mother's life at risk. What's being questioned right now is about a VIABLE fetus.

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Exactly. Idiots like LYnne and the Skank keep things like 'There's NO reason NOT to have a so called viable baby if the mothers life is endangered', never mind that its premature and will need expensive and invasive care and may likely have terrible medical issues their whole lives. BUT GIT THAT BABY BORN NO MATTER WHAT!@@
You're trying to include me by calling me "Lynne" as you ignorantly keep doing, but I have always said a woman should have a right to abort if her life is at risk.

The issue being discussed right now is of a VIABLE fetus. Even most PC agree to limits at viability. Why are you acting so self-righteous as though you don't agree on limits at viability? Oh, excuse me, it's because you're an ignorant buffoon.

A VIABLE fetus born in 3rd tri-mester generally does NOT have the health issues as one born at 20 weeks. Sure they need to be in incubators, but a viable healthy fetus born 24 weeks on usually survives just fine.

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http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/pbafact9.htm...

"In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI), an affiliate of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), collected questionnaires from 1,900 women who were at abortion clinics procuring abortions. Of the 1,900, "420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks." These 420 women were asked to choose among a menu of reasons why they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. Only two percent (2%) said "a fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy," compared to 71% who responded "did not recognize that she was pregnant or misjudged gestation," 48% who said "found it hard to make arrangements," and 33% who said "was afraid to tell her partner or parents." The report did not indicate that any of the 420 late abortions were performed because of maternal health problems.["Why Do Women Have Abortions?," Family Planning Perspectives, July/August 1988.]"
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I am not sure if you realize the NRLC is NOT referencing later-term abortions (that very small percentage where something has gone horribly wrong). Guttmacher did NOT address later-term, only late term, elective abortions. Here's a report contrasting that 1987 study with one from 2004. You might be pleased to learn the number of annual elective abortions dropped 22% between '87 and '04. And that's a good thing, imo.

"Public discussion about abortion in the United States has
generally focused on policy: who should be allowed to have
abortions, and under what circumstances. Receiving less attention
are the women behind the statistics—the 1.3 million women who obtain abortions each year1—and their reasons for having abortions. While a small proportion of women who have abortions do so because of health concerns or fetal anomalies, the large majority choose termination in response to an unintended pregnancy.2"

"In 1987, a survey of 1,900 women at large abortion providers across the country found that women’s most common reasons for having an abortion were that having a baby would interfere with
school, work or other responsibilities, and that they could
not afford a child.4"

"One compelling reason is that the abortion rate declined by 22% between 1987 and 2002,7 and another is that the demographic characteristics of reproductive-age women in general and of abortion patients in particular have changed since 1987. For example, the proportion of abortion patients who have already had one or more children has increased, as have the proportions
who are aged 30 or older, who are nonwhite and who are cohabiting. In addition, between 1994 and 2000, the proportion of women having abortions who were poor increased.8"

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/37110...
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Yes, they don't think of anything beyond their own nose. What happens to the woman or the family involved after the fact, or even the baby once born, is of no interest to them.
Chicky's "babe" (somebody else's child Chicky loves and cares for) is one of these babies. Born without a functioning brain, the PL OB refused to tell mom the dire straits of her pregnancy. Her birth has wreaked havoc on the family, drained them of their finances, and all while insurance companies refuse certain treatments because "babe" is not seen as one who'd benefit from treatment. It's cruel to do this to parents and children, imo. Chicky has posted about it in this very thread, but I have no idea where it would be found. It does give insight to her stance on abortion. That and other anecdotes she's shared. I, personally, think Chicky's got a good grasp on this issue and has much to offer people if they would listen. jmo
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lil Lily wrote:
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That's the risk every thinking person SHOULD know they're taking when having sex. So yes, consent to sex would be consent to the [risk] of pregnancy. How stupid to think people don't know that's the risk we all take when having sex, unless we've taken measures to completely remove that risk.
Consent to sex does not equal consent to having and carry a child. You can blab all u want about risks.

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