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okb2 Since: Jul 12 4,515 Washington, DC	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2714 Sep 6, 2012 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> It was not illegal to own a hand gun in DC. HE LIED. The law put (what SCOTUS determined to be) unconstitutional restrictions on those who owned guns (that they be stored (e.g.) with trigger locks). DC was using registration to essentially outlaw handguns. They would not register them. That is my understanding.
okb2 Since: Jul 12 4,515 Washington, DC	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2715 Sep 6, 2012 eternal cynic wrote: <quoted text> Of course http://foundersquotes.com/quotes/laws-that-fo... It appears many times credited to Jefferson. I don't think he actually said it; however, living in Virginia I am blessed with an abundance of Jefferson resources.
Dr Freud UK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2716 Sep 6, 2012 okb2 wrote: <quoted text> DC was using registration to essentially outlaw handguns. They would not register them. That is my understanding. Initially, D.C. just flat outlawed the possession of handguns, and very severely limited what other guns one could keep in his home. After the Heller decision, the D.C. city council machinated over how to make it next to impossible to obtain a permit just to keep a pistol in one's house. They still very stubbornly refused to allow concealed carry. Further, they placed stringent limits upon which brands and models were 'acceptable,' and those not. All of that, you understand, was, and is still being done on purpose. It is a known tactic used by those intent upon removing individual rights, to very cleverly write laws in such a way as to make it necessary for the individual citizens to spend lots of time and money challenging the constitutionality of the law, and then include a severability clause which leaves the unchallenged portions intact to still be used against the people, and just waiting around to be added to later. D.C. isn't referred to a the 'District of Criminals' for nothing.
SpongeBob Staten Island, NY	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2717 Sep 6, 2012 eternal cynic wrote: <quoted text> Yes, Jefferson did write that. Jefferson also stated "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson etc..etc.. Guns and False Quotes March 20, 2011 “False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”(Thomas Jefferson) This was not a quote by Jefferson as many on the net have asserted. He compiled a book of quotes called,“Legal Commonplace Book.” The quote is actually from Cesare Beccaria’s Essay on Crimes and Punishments. The only notation made by Jefferson on Beccaria’s quote is,“False idee di utilità.” or …false idea of utility. It should not be attributed to Thomas Jefferson unless one’s philosophy allows for the sophistry of ‘false ideas’. See this reference: http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-c... etc...
Marauder Anchorage, AK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2718 Sep 6, 2012 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> No requirement for you or any of your aliases to read any of my posts, BOY: stick to polishing freshmen knobs at LCC. Didn't they give you an award for being so good at that back in the day...? Bet you're even better now that you can take your teeth out...you go girl.
Marauder Anchorage, AK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2719 Sep 6, 2012 okb2 wrote: <quoted text> DC was using registration to essentially outlaw handguns. They would not register them. That is my understanding. Correct for one portion of the argument...and that was told to them and ignored...as normal.
Jeff T in MPLS “Get RIGHT or be left” Since: Nov 07 9,367 www.dreamindemon.com	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2720 Sep 6, 2012 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> Show us all where I said all firearm owners should be punished for the acts of a few. PS: If you want to post stories of the actions of a FEW firearm owners, I am going to post the stories of a few MORE TYPICAL firearm owners. A gun in the home is more likely to be used ON someone in the home than the burglar climbing though the window. That is wonderful liberal folk lore you are pushing, there! Too bad there are no FACTS to back up your statements as usual. Just like your "guns kill more than cars" thing you had to get schooled on. But you liberals just keep lying to each other. You liberals are buying your own BS.
Anon1970 Jacksonville, FL	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2721 Sep 6, 2012 I watched a movie called "Rampage" tonight. It reminded me of the Colorado shooting. James Holmes wore a swat suit just like the guy in Rampage. The guy in the movie had red hair James dyed his red. I think he got his inspiration to kill like he did from this movie.

barefoot2626 Since: Feb 11 63,866 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2722 Sep 6, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 Armed Veteran wrote: <quoted text> That depends on what area of NYC you are talking about doesn't it? I'm not the one pretending Americans are in fear to walk the streets.
barefoot2626 Since: Feb 11 63,866 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2723 Sep 6, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 Marauder wrote: <quoted text> Didn't they give you an award for being so good at that back in the day...?. They give you so many awards you have to change your alias every week, eh, Butterlips? to make room on the plaque?
barefoot2626 Since: Feb 11 63,866 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2724 Sep 6, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 Jeff T in MPLS wrote: <quoted text> That is wonderful liberal folk lore you are pushing, there! Too bad there are no FACTS to back up your statements as usual.. Too bad I don't get $20 every time I post a link, Knobjob. Are you writing the check this time?
barefoot2626 Since: Feb 11 63,866 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2725 Sep 6, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 Jeff T in MPLS wrote: Just like your "guns kill more than cars" thing you had to get schooled on. Why don't you show us all where I said guns killed more than cars, KnobJob? Since you want to insist you have the facts, let's see the link. I will remind again, because, Knob Job, we both know you like to run your lips around the rim but you can't back it up.
Marauder Anchorage, AK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2726 Sep 7, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> I'm not the one pretending Americans are in fear to walk the streets. Not the ones prepared to defend themselves and their families you ignorant "frustrated control freak".
Marauder Anchorage, AK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2727 Sep 7, 2012 Judged: 1 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> They give you so many awards you have to change your alias every week, eh, Butterlips? to make room on the plaque? Sorry control freak...you're wrong again...have only posted under this name. The boys are lining up outside your door...don't forget to take your teeth out.
Marauder Anchorage, AK	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2728 Sep 7, 2012 Judged: 1 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> Too bad I don't get $20 every time I post a link, Knobjob. Are you writing the check this time? Dang girl...$20 for every knobjob...way to go!! You're cheap to...lol.
Where Is My America “O'er the land of the free ? ” Since: Jan 09 11,011 Don't Tread On Me	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2729 Sep 7, 2012 Anon1970 wrote: I watched a movie called "Rampage" tonight. It reminded me of the Colorado shooting. James Holmes wore a swat suit just like the guy in Rampage. The guy in the movie had red hair James dyed his red. I think he got his inspiration to kill like he did from this movie. That may be very true and an important point to make. People who mass murder need to be studied to see if it begins in childhood and if intervention techniques can be developed.
eternal cynic “Why call 911? 1911 is faster” Since: Feb 08 14,854 Wesley Chapel, FL	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2730 Sep 7, 2012 okb2 wrote: <quoted text> I don't think he actually said it; however, living in Virginia I am blessed with an abundance of Jefferson resources. With no evidence I’m supposed to simply accept your opinion despite many reputable sources disagree with you?
eternal cynic “Why call 911? 1911 is faster” Since: Feb 08 14,854 Wesley Chapel, FL	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2731 Sep 7, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 SpongeBob wrote: <quoted text> Guns and False Quotes March 20, 2011 “False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes….Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”(Thomas Jefferson) This was not a quote by Jefferson as many on the net have asserted. He compiled a book of quotes called,“Legal Commonplace Book.” The quote is actually from Cesare Beccaria’s Essay on Crimes and Punishments. The only notation made by Jefferson on Beccaria’s quote is,“False idee di utilità.” or …false idea of utility. It should not be attributed to Thomas Jefferson unless one’s philosophy allows for the sophistry of ‘false ideas’. See this reference: http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-c... etc... Nice link Page Not Found Unfortunately, the page you were looking for could not be found. We recently redesigned our website, so it is likely that you are using an outdated bookmark or came from another page with a broken link. We suggest using search to locate the content you were looking for, or exploring the new site. We apologize for the inconvienence.
Armed Veteran “SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM” Since: Dec 07 9,688 Seriously. Got any ammo???	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2732 Sep 7, 2012 barefoot2626 wrote: <quoted text> I'm not the one pretending Americans are in fear to walk the streets. You obviously have no clue. It also shows you have never been anywhere near the east end of Newport News, VA late on a Saturday night. And why do you continue to avoid the challenge put forth to you. Please point out the wording in the 2nd Amendment where it specifically deals with any limit on type or quantity of weapons "the people" may possess. Since you don't have the GUTS to answer it honestly, I will for you. The answer is: The 2nd Amendment says NOTHING with regard to type of weapons or limits on quantity OF ANY KIND. Who is the one "pretending" now??
barefoot2626 Since: Feb 11 63,866 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #2733 Sep 7, 2012 Judged: 1 1 1 Marauder wrote: <quoted text> Dang girl...$20 for every knobjob...way to go!! You're cheap to...lol. No one can compete with your prices, KnobJob, and you take food stamps.
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