Faith voters shifting in Presidential race

Evangelicals had been used by the Republican party to support some not-very-charitable positions. It is good that individuals are reevaluating their alignments.

Kimbefly wrote:

Evangelicals had been used by the Republican party to support some not-very-charitable positions. It is good that individuals are reevaluating their alignments.

While I agree that it is wise to reevaluate one's position, aligning oneself to someone that spent 20+ years listening to his pastor spew hate and discontent towards his country in general and the white race in particular doesn't seem to be an improvement.

Bama Yankee wrote:

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While I agree that it is wise to reevaluate one's position, aligning oneself to someone that spent 20+ years listening to his pastor spew hate and discontent towards his country in general and the white race in particular doesn't seem to be an improvement.

Have you heard more than thirty seconds of Rev. Wright's preaching? Have you listened to any Wright sermon in its entirety? I have, and find that his world view is not my own, but it has value. He is a good historian and biblical scholar, and an excellent speaker. One can gain wisdom from him, even without agreeing with everything he says.

Since he supports partial birth abortion, I'd say we are working with a very liberal definition of "Christian"

Perhaps it might have something to do with McCain and his campaign referring to Obama as "THE ONE" and other such blasphemous sacrilegious cheap shots because he is jealous of Obama's popularity.

Exodus 20:7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished him who takes his name in vain."

Exodus 20:3 "You shall not have other gods besides me.

I don't think God gives a sin bypass on people who create false idols for others. John McCain did just that.

I am a Hillary supporter who would have gladly gotten behind a worthy candidate for the Democratic party. If we had one. Obama to me is nothing but a foreigner who will drag this country down to the level he was at when a child living overseas. He sees nothing wrong with people living that way, but he certainly will not be. I am not rich, but not poor either. At 57 I just want peace and quiet. Puma has the right to protest if they want. Since when is it wrong to make your opinions known? Only since Obama came into the picture. I don't like this man, just looking at him makes me sick, which evil often does. I believe in God, but am not a church goer. Some people believe Obama is the anti-christ, I don't know about that either. What I do know, and I am usually right, we are looking at the fall of a great nation, we are the Roman empire on the brink of disaster, if this man is elected. Obama may not even know it, but he is the sum of all fears. I am not a nut, just a reflection of my inner thoughts. I don't think I'll post anymore, just heartsick on how gullible the American people have become.

Is it possible that people are starting to separate their "faith" from their politics? Is that a bad thing?

Kimbefly wrote:

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Have you heard more than thirty seconds of Rev. Wright's preaching? Have you listened to any Wright sermon in its entirety? I have, and find that his world view is not my own, but it has value. He is a good historian and biblical scholar, and an excellent speaker. One can gain wisdom from him, even without agreeing with everything he says.

Most Americans probably have not heard Wrights sermons in their entirety. As usual, they only hear sound bites of whatever the media what them to hear. Most people are too lazy to do any research on their own, they are used to being followers thats why the government and big business can pretty much get away with murder. Those country is lost.

Kimbefly wrote:

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Have you heard more than thirty seconds of Rev. Wright's preaching? Have you listened to any Wright sermon in its entirety? I have, and find that his world view is not my own, but it has value. He is a good historian and biblical scholar, and an excellent speaker. One can gain wisdom from him, even without agreeing with everything he says.

I bet that most people would agree with you. If they actually listened to more that 7 seconds loops of the controversial parts, they would be surprised to find out that the other 29 minuets and 53 seconds of his sermon, weren't any different than what their reverands preached.

kcriggs wrote:

Since he supports partial birth abortion, I'd say we are working with a very liberal definition of "Christian"

We could alwahys outlaw it and go back to Mr. Coat Hanger and the Back-Alley Bunch. Legalized abortion, no matter which phase, brings the issue out in the open, and gives those that oppose it the chance to educate and listen to those that fight for the choice. The double-edged sword stricks both way, however, and there might be more abortions on one side and more targets for violence on the other.

My theory is that abortion will never be illegal, but with better education on safe sex, etc. it might be phased out. Both sides of the political fence know that the issue is all talk to appeal to those swing votes, and nothing more.

Missouri wrote:

I am a Hillary supporter who would have gladly gotten behind a worthy candidate for the Democratic party. If we had one. Obama to me is nothing but a foreigner who will drag this country down to the level he was at when a child living overseas. He sees nothing wrong with people living that way, but he certainly will not be. I am not rich, but not poor either. At 57 I just want peace and quiet. Puma has the right to protest if they want. Since when is it wrong to make your opinions known? Only since Obama came into the picture. I don't like this man, just looking at him makes me sick, which evil often does. I believe in God, but am not a church goer. Some people believe Obama is the anti-christ, I don't know about that either. What I do know, and I am usually right, we are looking at the fall of a great nation, we are the Roman empire on the brink of disaster, if this man is elected. Obama may not even know it, but he is the sum of all fears. I am not a nut, just a reflection of my inner thoughts. I don't think I'll post anymore, just heartsick on how gullible the American people have become.

You don't have to worry about the fall of this country if Obama is elected, just in case you didn't notice, this country "has already fallen"!

Missouri wrote:

I am a Hillary supporter who would have gladly gotten behind a worthy candidate for the Democratic party. If we had one. Obama to me is nothing but a foreigner who will drag this country down to the level he was at when a child living overseas. He sees nothing wrong with people living that way, but he certainly will not be. I am not rich, but not poor either. At 57 I just want peace and quiet. Puma has the right to protest if they want. Since when is it wrong to make your opinions known? Only since Obama came into the picture. I don't like this man, just looking at him makes me sick, which evil often does. I believe in God, but am not a church goer. Some people believe Obama is the anti-christ, I don't know about that either. What I do know, and I am usually right, we are looking at the fall of a great nation, we are the Roman empire on the brink of disaster, if this man is elected. Obama may not even know it, but he is the sum of all fears. I am not a nut, just a reflection of my inner thoughts. I don't think I'll post anymore, just heartsick on how gullible the American people have become.

Bush has 4 and a half months left. There's still plenty of hatin' and killin' to do before he's gone.

Obama doesn't appeal to "Born Again" Bible believer's. Obama appeal to the Christians are to dead apostate people that just call themselves Christians. These same "so called" Christians forget his comments against the Bible. Obama stand on abortion. His Pastor Rev. Wright, Preaching love and Understanding. Obama friendship with people who commited acts of terrorism.

Bobby Drake wrote:

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I bet that most people would agree with you. If they actually listened to more that 7 seconds loops of the controversial parts, they would be surprised to find out that the other 29 minuets and 53 seconds of his sermon, weren't any different than what their reverands preached.

When reality is not "sugar coated", most Americans cannot deal with the straight out truth!! They can't handle the truth.

This is no surprise, especially with all the blasphemus comercials conservatives have unleashed. As people get smarter, they'll realize that it's alot safer to vote for a nominee that knows how to separate their personal beliefs from the the way they run would run the country.

As a Christian, i don't believe in abortions or people commiting gay acts. But as a person who's going to lead a country where alot of people have different belief systems than I do, I know that it's right to allow it.

Missouri wrote:

I am a Hillary supporter who would have gladly gotten behind a worthy candidate for the Democratic party. If we had one. Obama to me is nothing but a foreigner who will drag this country down to the level he was at when a child living overseas. He sees nothing wrong with people living that way, but he certainly will not be. I am not rich, but not poor either. At 57 I just want peace and quiet. Puma has the right to protest if they want. Since when is it wrong to make your opinions known? Only since Obama came into the picture. I don't like this man, just looking at him makes me sick, which evil often does. I believe in God, but am not a church goer. Some people believe Obama is the anti-christ, I don't know about that either. What I do know, and I am usually right, we are looking at the fall of a great nation, we are the Roman empire on the brink of disaster, if this man is elected. Obama may not even know it, but he is the sum of all fears. I am not a nut, just a reflection of my inner thoughts. I don't think I'll post anymore, just heartsick on how gullible the American people have become.

Yeah. I see the same thing when I hear McCain wants to continue the Bush/Republican policies that ACTUALLY put us "on the brink of disaster."

For example, when I look at what's going on in Georgia with Russia, it's sad. The US has lost ALL international respect. The world is watching, too.

Mike wrote:

Obama doesn't appeal to "Born Again" Bible believer's. Obama appeal to the Christians are to dead apostate people that just call themselves Christians. These same "so called" Christians forget his comments against the Bible. Obama stand on abortion. His Pastor Rev. Wright, Preaching love and Understanding. Obama friendship with people who commited acts of terrorism.

You couldn't be more right!

Dave Dischord wrote:

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We could alwahys outlaw it and go back to Mr. Coat Hanger and the Back-Alley Bunch. Legalized abortion, no matter which phase, brings the issue out in the open, and gives those that oppose it the chance to educate and listen to those that fight for the choice. The double-edged sword stricks both way, however, and there might be more abortions on one side and more targets for violence on the other.
My theory is that abortion will never be illegal, but with better education on safe sex, etc. it might be phased out. Both sides of the political fence know that the issue is all talk to appeal to those swing votes, and nothing more.

What gets me about the so called Christians is that they want abortion to be illegal, BUT once a child is born they have no problem with that human being losing his/her life to war. What a bunch of hypocrites so many Christians are!

Mike wrote:

Obama doesn't appeal to "Born Again" Bible believer's. Obama appeal to the Christians are to dead apostate people that just call themselves Christians. These same "so called" Christians forget his comments against the Bible. Obama stand on abortion. His Pastor Rev. Wright, Preaching love and Understanding. Obama friendship with people who commited acts of terrorism.

However, the question is should morality be LEGISLATED? Also, what role should government play in the execution of spiritual beliefs or how you practice religion?

Bobby Drake wrote:

This is no surprise, especially with all the blasphemus comercials conservatives have unleashed. As people get smarter, they'll realize that it's alot safer to vote for a nominee that knows how to separate their personal beliefs from the the way they run would run the country.
As a Christian, i don't believe in abortions or people commiting gay acts. But as a person who's going to lead a country where alot of people have different belief systems than I do, I know that it's right to allow it.

Exactly.