Obama bypasses Congress on DREAM Act, stops deporting young illegals

SIR LANCELOT wrote:

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I know how you feel about illegal immigration, but what i can't figure out is how you can support Obama after what he has done to Arizona?
Everytime somebody tries to do something about the problem the Democrat Party stands firmly in the way.
Listen to some of the remarks by Ca Democrats and other liberals. http://youtu.be/ajkAP_M4ZAM

It was under G. W. Bush and Clinton that the illegal population grew significantly.

40 % of the illegal came by plane and they overstayed their visa. This mechanism of dumping illegal is growing fast. In fact, the US receives nearly one million legal immigrants every year and nearly twice that as non-migrant visitors/students. So given that influx is about to grow even more (due to Europe/Asia slow down), you better focus your ignorant hate to the State Department who is the one issuing visas to spies, terrorists, enemies of the State, antisocials, etc.

Just to reiterate: We are as guilty as the illegal for hiring them! It takes two to dance a Waltz! No illegal will remain in the US if they have no employment. They are not here because of subsidies or that they love football or baseball or that they love speaking english (if they do). They are simply here for economy reasons and we are active in enabling that mechanism. You stop hiring and there will be no need to chase people, implant a scary system, enable vigilantes, etc. Just simply hire legally recognized and legit business and organizations to do your needs! Be a freaking citizen and not a pseudo warrior.

freebird wrote:

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It's a little annoying when someone happens to be a history buff and wants to tell everyone else they aren't American just because they don't know certain things. Lot's of American men shed their blood for this country and couldn't answer your questions. Do you think they weren't Americans?

My oppinion is "yes" if you dont know the history of the country than how can you tell me you know where we have been and dictate your words of what you say "knowledge" of how to address any issues this country is currently going thru...My father 20yr military, 3 tours (Vietnam conflict)and as my father before me and his father before him we know the country we live in and its history. So please dont preach to me about blood sweat and tears

This whole thread(topic) is on immigration, I am for President Obama but I disagree with this "Dream Act" it opens the door for every other timbucktoo country come. Added to problematic issues because the strain of immigrants... I dont see you RUSHING back to Mexico for health care....

freebird wrote:

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Again you are missing the point. I'm no defender of the "right" or of the "left". It's sort of like your arms. They belong to the same body. I was pointing out that Obama said he was going to tax only the rich and not the middle class, but the healthcare bill will do exactly that, tax the middle class. The rich already have healthcare, so this bill will not hurt them one bit, and some it will just put more money in their pocket.
I'm definantly not a defender of the rich. I've attacked Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, etc., but the lefties attack me every time just because they give money to charities(sp ?). LOL!!!

How so, Obamacare will lower the cost of health care to the middle class

frank wrote:

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How so, Obamacare will lower the cost of health care to the middle class

It will force those without insurance to look for employment that provides insurance otherwise pay a penalty! This imposes a behavior modification similar to the people who smoke. That is if you smoke you pay more since I have to pay your medical bills to keep you alive or repair you (you smoking behavior is raising health cost and second-hand smoking is more problematic)!

Now that the mandate has been ruled a tax, it can be repealed by the Republican majority in the senate. Just 51% is required to repeal.

freebird wrote:

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Really? Have you ever bought health insurance as an individual? What do people do when they are barely getting by, but now they have to buy health insurance that they can't afford? Pay a tax? LOL!!! Yep, let's punish the the punished.

guess you haven't read anything about the health care reform bill.

1. Insurance pools will be set up in each state.
2. With more people buying health insurance, the cost of said insurance will go down.
3. The Federal gov't will set up subsidies for the poor to help them pay for the insurance.
The AMA, the majority of nurses,doctors and health care professionals along with hospitals and insurance companies are all for it.

In fact the original idea was a Republican Idea in the 90's. The GOP was all for it, well until a black man, President Obama got behind it.

as for being a good little marxists

I am forced to buy car insurance
I am forced to buy housing insurance and liability
I am forced to pay taxes for this country's infrastructure, defense, clean water, sewage, schools etc.

I am also force to support religious organizations that I think are a detriment to mankind..........

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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guess you haven't read anything about the health care reform bill.
1. Insurance pools will be set up in each state.
2. With more people buying health insurance, the cost of said insurance will go down.
3. The Federal gov't will set up subsidies for the poor to help them pay for the insurance.
The AMA, the majority of nurses,doctors and health care professionals along with hospitals and insurance companies are all for it.
In fact the original idea was a Republican Idea in the 90's. The GOP was all for it, well until a black man, President Obama got behind it.
as for being a good little marxists
I am forced to buy car insurance
I am forced to buy housing insurance and liability
I am forced to pay taxes for this country's infrastructure, defense, clean water, sewage, schools etc.
I am also force to support religious organizations that I think are a detriment to mankind..........

The Tea Party was formed precisely because of the corruption on both the right and the left. It's a bad law regardless.

And the people won't pay, because they don't have the money, and because it is unconstitutional. It's not going to work and it will destroy the nation. To put your ideology before your country - and before the future for the next generation is beyond reproach.

Some day you will have to apologize to your children and grandchildren for destroying their lives by supporting what is going on today...

imagainsteverything wrote:

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My oppinion is "yes" if you dont know the history of the country than how can you tell me you know where we have been and dictate your words of what you say "knowledge" of how to address any issues this country is currently going thru...My father 20yr military, 3 tours (Vietnam conflict)and as my father before me and his father before him we know the country we live in and its history. So please dont preach to me about blood sweat and tears

I don't need to know how the car was invented, and who invented it, to know how to drive it. Just sayin!!!

I'm not saying knowing history is a bad thing, as long as you can use your own brain, instead of just relying on what you've been told.

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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guess you haven't read anything about the health care reform bill.
1. Insurance pools will be set up in each state.
2. With more people buying health insurance, the cost of said insurance will go down.
3. The Federal gov't will set up subsidies for the poor to help them pay for the insurance.
The AMA, the majority of nurses,doctors and health care professionals along with hospitals and insurance companies are all for it.
In fact the original idea was a Republican Idea in the 90's. The GOP was all for it, well until a black man, President Obama got behind it.
as for being a good little marxists
I am forced to buy car insurance
I am forced to buy housing insurance and liability
I am forced to pay taxes for this country's infrastructure, defense, clean water, sewage, schools etc.
I am also force to support religious organizations that I think are a detriment to mankind..........

I though you knew history? I don't need to go back that far to know that the government doesn't know how to make anything affordable.

freebird wrote:

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I though you knew history? I don't need to go back that far to know that the government doesn't know how to make anything affordable.

Sorry for getting you confused with someone else. That's what I get for reading and watching soccer at the same time. LOL!!!

Frank Rizzo wrote:

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The Tea Party was formed precisely because of the corruption on both the right and the left. It's a bad law regardless.
And the people won't pay, because they don't have the money, and because it is unconstitutional. It's not going to work and it will destroy the nation. To put your ideology before your country - and before the future for the next generation is beyond reproach.
Some day you will have to apologize to your children and grandchildren for destroying their lives by supporting what is going on today...

Exactly!

freebird wrote:

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Exactly!

And America will lose doctors (not gain them). Socialism and Capitalism don't mix.

Va te faire foutre wrote:

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It will force those without insurance to look for employment that provides insurance otherwise pay a penalty! This imposes a behavior modification similar to the people who smoke. That is if you smoke you pay more since I have to pay your medical bills to keep you alive or repair you (you smoking behavior is raising health cost and second-hand smoking is more problematic)!

What a good supporter of the State you are, comrade. No gulag for you...yet.

Karma is a_______ wrote:

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guess you haven't read anything about the health care reform bill.
1. Insurance pools will be set up in each state.
2. With more people buying health insurance, the cost of said insurance will go down.
3. The Federal gov't will set up subsidies for the poor to help them pay for the insurance.
The AMA, the majority of nurses,doctors and health care professionals along with hospitals and insurance companies are all for it.
In fact the original idea was a Republican Idea in the 90's. The GOP was all for it, well until a black man, President Obama got behind it.
as for being a good little marxists
I am forced to buy car insurance
I am forced to buy housing insurance and liability
I am forced to pay taxes for this country's infrastructure, defense, clean water, sewage, schools etc.
I am also force to support religious organizations that I think are a detriment to mankind..........

Nobody forces you to own a car.
Nobody forces you to own property.
Nobody forces you to work.
Avoid those three things and you avoid most taxes.

OMG off topic subject are like making your own trail through the woods evan if the road has 4 lanes. Since those without brain cells, here is a little information that is fact "Government has the chance to repeal the health care act on July 6th," so if you dont like what President Obama has done you will know if its actually approved in the upcoming week or two.... You can discuss this health care topic till you turn blue but talk is cheap..........

Car insurance is to protect you from anyone who DOESNT have insurance, hits your car, you can get it fixed otherwise the auto industry would get more than YOU can pay to fix your car after a reck.(name another country that will do that)

Housing insurance is for your protection if you lose all your sh** that either someone takes it from your home or your home burns down.(name another country that will do that)

NO-1 with commons sense would think just because water is free that you dont have to pay to get it into you faucet for use.(most third world countries dont evan have fresh water)

And its a choice if your supposedly paying a religious organization NO-1 IS FORCING YOU...CUT THE CRA*...
All these things your complaining about are NOT IN A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.... Only three countries that are known to have a REAL insurance company are doing any good with insurance policies anyways....So if your complaining about "Insurance" lets see how good you would do without it ....

No one really knows a person - unless your married to that person or people who either live and/or work with that person.....

Secret Service Secrets and the various presidents....Very Interesting and telling about ones character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>Nobody forces you to own a car.
Nobody forces you to own property.
Nobody forces you to work.
Avoid those three things and you avoid most taxes.

It is precisely those people that avoid those three things that make up Obama's supporters. They only want all they can get from those of us that work and are responsible people.
It has become very obvious that the free-loaders and low lifes of this world should be left to expire by those that are achievers. We need to stop supporting those that bring down society.
If you can't feed them, don't breed them!

Va te faire foutre wrote:

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It will force those without insurance to look for employment that provides insurance otherwise pay a penalty! This imposes a behavior modification similar to the people who smoke. That is if you smoke you pay more since I have to pay your medical bills to keep you alive or repair you (you smoking behavior is raising health cost and second-hand smoking is more problematic)!

Yes, we know it is the same thing that brought the Roman Empire to its knees :-)

Devon wrote:

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It is precisely those people that avoid those three things that make up Obama's supporters. They only want all they can get from those of us that work and are responsible people.
It has become very obvious that the free-loaders and low lifes of this world should be left to expire by those that are achievers. We need to stop supporting those that bring down society.
If you can't feed them, don't breed them!

Excellent post!