Colo. shooting prompts gun bills in big states

Aug 16, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bellingham Herald

In this photo taken Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2012, three variations of the AR-15 assault rifle are displayed at the California Department of Justice in Sacramento, Calif.

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Do it right, make being crazy against the law.
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use the chicago gun control law as the model...
THAT works so well!
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The SCOTUS has spoken.
Next we sue the (D) states into the stone age.
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California admittedly has the toughest gun laws in the Nation. However, according to the FBI, 69% of all murders are committed in this one State.

New York ranks as the third toughest gun laws State, and likewise they rank third in violent crimes.

More people are murdered with a baseball bat/pipe than they are with all rifles and shotguns combined.( FBI.gov )

Every mass shooting that occurred in the past 10 years happened in "gun free" zones.(Even the Ft. Hood incident). It is apparent that democrats and criminals have one thing in common; they prefer unarmed victims.

The bills limiting ammo purchases do not concern me very much. After all, most frequent shooters reloads their own ammo.(Saves a lot of money)

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Virginia Patriot wrote:
California admittedly has the toughest gun laws in the Nation. However, according to the FBI, 69% of all murders are committed in this one State.
New York ranks as the third toughest gun laws State, and likewise they rank third in violent crimes.
More people are murdered with a baseball bat/pipe than they are with all rifles and shotguns combined.( FBI.gov )
Every mass shooting that occurred in the past 10 years happened in "gun free" zones.(Even the Ft. Hood incident). It is apparent that democrats and criminals have one thing in common; they prefer unarmed victims.
The bills limiting ammo purchases do not concern me very much. After all, most frequent shooters reloads their own ammo.(Saves a lot of money)
You have the cart before the horse.

California, New York, and other states with high rates of gun crimes have instituted gun control rates because of the crime; and not the other way around, as you mistakenly assume.

I would like to see all guns registered, and tracked. When a gun is "stolen" from Virginia, and kills a child in Sacramento, I'd want the last registered owner auomatically charged with that murder.
So many guns are sold on the street, and reported "stolen" that a murder charge would both give us a real picture of who is dealing guns to criminals; and also give the 'loosey-goosey' gun owners (not like yourself) a real reason to secure their guns.

If the gun was truly stolen, the gun-owner-suspect could appear before the judge, prove his innocence; and be dismissed from the case.
If the same suspect/owner turns up in ten different murders, we can see the pattern.

I know well that real enthusiasts, reloaders like yourself, would not dream of selling your guns to thugs.

The problem remains that too many guns are being sold on the street to criminals and crazy people after illegally migrating from states which have none or loose gun control.

People don't create mass murders and massacres, guns create massacres.

Finally, you do know that the real problem is not pipes, rifles, baseball bats, or shotguns. The real crime problem is handguns, automatic weapons, and assault rifles.

Every American killed by these weapons is another notch on Scalia's tombstone.
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Virginia Patriot wrote:
California admittedly has the toughest gun laws in the Nation. However, according to the FBI, 69% of all murders are committed in this one State.
New York ranks as the third toughest gun laws State, and likewise they rank third in violent crimes.
More people are murdered with a baseball bat/pipe than they are with all rifles and shotguns combined.( FBI.gov )
Every mass shooting that occurred in the past 10 years happened in "gun free" zones.(Even the Ft. Hood incident). It is apparent that democrats and criminals have one thing in common; they prefer unarmed victims.
The bills limiting ammo purchases do not concern me very much. After all, most frequent shooters reloads their own ammo.(Saves a lot of money)
Yes,
You are correct.
All anyone has to is look to Chicago to see that criminals such as gangbangers mainly always use a handgun as trying to hide a rifle or shotgun in there waist ban is difficult and would be harder to unholster it so they can murder innocent people.
Another is that what politicans and L.E. like to call "gun free zones"
should be renamed to "mass murder zones" as such a decluration gives criminals free reign to mass murder at will.
Lastly what all these gun grabbers who discribe the firearm that was used in the colorado theather shooting as an "assault rifle" do not understand what the actual of definition of what an assault rifle is and actual should be appalled to be using a nairitive that was coined by Adolf Hitler.
BTW, what we have in this country are M.S.R.'s (Modern Sporting Rifles) which are patterned to look like an older version of a military rifle. These rifles are semi-auto unlike a military version which is fully automatic and which in most states are illegal and can not be owned by the average firearms owner. Plus in some states even if you carry a FFl you still can't own a fully automatic firearm.
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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You have the cart before the horse.
California, New York, and other states with high rates of gun crimes have instituted gun control rates because of the crime; and not the other way around, as you mistakenly assume.
I would like to see all guns registered, and tracked. When a gun is "stolen" from Virginia, and kills a child in Sacramento, I'd want the last registered owner auomatically charged with that murder.
So many guns are sold on the street, and reported "stolen" that a murder charge would both give us a real picture of who is dealing guns to criminals; and also give the 'loosey-goosey' gun owners (not like yourself) a real reason to secure their guns.
If the gun was truly stolen, the gun-owner-suspect could appear before the judge, prove his innocence; and be dismissed from the case.
If the same suspect/owner turns up in ten different murders, we can see the pattern.
I know well that real enthusiasts, reloaders like yourself, would not dream of selling your guns to thugs.
The problem remains that too many guns are being sold on the street to criminals and crazy people after illegally migrating from states which have none or loose gun control.
People don't create mass murders and massacres, guns create massacres.
Finally, you do know that the real problem is not pipes, rifles, baseball bats, or shotguns. The real crime problem is handguns, automatic weapons, and assault rifles.
Every American killed by these weapons is another notch on Scalia's tombstone.
you really are insaine!guns create massacres? thats funny. so armys create wars? go put your head back in the sand.
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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You have the cart before the horse.
California, New York, and other states with high rates of gun crimes have instituted gun control rates because of the crime; and not the other way around, as you mistakenly assume.
I would like to see all guns registered, and tracked. When a gun is "stolen" from Virginia, and kills a child in Sacramento, I'd want the last registered owner auomatically charged with that murder.
So many guns are sold on the street, and reported "stolen" that a murder charge would both give us a real picture of who is dealing guns to criminals; and also give the 'loosey-goosey' gun owners (not like yourself) a real reason to secure their guns.
If the gun was truly stolen, the gun-owner-suspect could appear before the judge, prove his innocence; and be dismissed from the case.
If the same suspect/owner turns up in ten different murders, we can see the pattern.
I know well that real enthusiasts, reloaders like yourself, would not dream of selling your guns to thugs.
The problem remains that too many guns are being sold on the street to criminals and crazy people after illegally migrating from states which have none or loose gun control.
People don't create mass murders and massacres, guns create massacres.
Finally, you do know that the real problem is not pipes, rifles, baseball bats, or shotguns. The real crime problem is handguns, automatic weapons, and assault rifles.
Every American killed by these weapons is another notch on Scalia's tombstone.
Billy you seem always to forget. A CRIMINAL WILL NOT BUY A FIREARM THAT CAN BE TRACED TO HIM. ALL THOSE LAWS DO IS KEEP A CRIMINAL FROM BUYING ONE FROM A LICENSED DEALER.WHEN THE CRIMINAL STEALS OR BUYS OFF THE BLACK MARKET, THE GUN LAW HAS NOT PREVENTED HIM FROM GETTING ONE ..JUST THINK IT MAY BE BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR LIBS.using your logic if someone would steal you car and run over and kill someone while running from cops, you would want to go to jail for him...of if you sold your car to someone and they ran over some one would you want to go to jail? Seems you would not want the one who pulls the trigger in a crime to go to jail but the person from who the criminal stole the firearm. Now that is some real logic...
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Mr Bill here is more food for thought. Do forks and spoons and plates make people fat? does cars make people drive drunk? Neither does guns cause crime

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Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Billy you seem always to forget. A CRIMINAL WILL NOT BUY A FIREARM THAT CAN BE TRACED TO HIM. ALL THOSE LAWS DO IS KEEP A CRIMINAL FROM BUYING ONE FROM A LICENSED DEALER.WHEN THE CRIMINAL STEALS OR BUYS OFF THE BLACK MARKET, THE GUN LAW HAS NOT PREVENTED HIM FROM GETTING ONE ..JUST THINK IT MAY BE BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR LIBS.using your logic if someone would steal you car and run over and kill someone while running from cops, you would want to go to jail for him...of if you sold your car to someone and they ran over some one would you want to go to jail? Seems you would not want the one who pulls the trigger in a crime to go to jail but the person from who the criminal stole the firearm. Now that is some real logic...
I see that you are unfamiliar with gun shows, or with the practice of selling a loads of guns out of a car trunk, and then reporting them stolen.

If criminals, as you suppose, only buy illicit guns, ask yourself how so many guns go illicitly into the hands of criminals.

I appreciate shooters and collectors. But they must take more responsibility for the dead children killed by their posturing which prevents better control of gun traffic.

Remember too, if only criminals had guns, they would soon run out, since all the guns would evenntually have bodies on them.
Criminals buy guns wholesale, and sell them on street corners, whether you can accept that reality or not.

Gun enthusiasts have to do better than posturing, if they want the responsibility for all the recent killings lifted from them.

And, I am a centrist, and not a 'lib.'
And I can tell that you are not a moron, like many here; so, you can figure out how this "black market" you refer to is able to meet all criminal demands for guns, year after year.

Cars are not like handguns. They are not made for killing, and it is much hardrer to use a car to threaten or kill someone than a gun, no? So, poor comparison, you might just as well say guns are like grapes, or raisins.

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Patriot wrote:
Mr Bill here is more food for thought. Do forks and spoons and plates make people fat? does cars make people drive drunk? Neither does guns cause crime
Your 'food for thought' lacks any value. Guns make crime happen, but do not initiate the crime.

A criminal with a gun is much more likely to use it on you than his fork, or his car.

I don't see a point to comparing a gun in a criminal's hand to a plate in his hand.

He threaens me with a plate, and I kick his ass.
He points a gun and I empty my pockets.

Do you get that?

How many people in that movie theater would have been run over, or stuck with a fork?

Can you get over the childish, stupid rhetoric, and get real?
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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Your 'food for thought' lacks any value. Guns make crime happen, but do not initiate the crime.
A criminal with a gun is much more likely to use it on you than his fork, or his car.
I don't see a point to comparing a gun in a criminal's hand to a plate in his hand.
He threaens me with a plate, and I kick his ass.
He points a gun and I empty my pockets.
Do you get that?
How many people in that movie theater would have been run over, or stuck with a fork?
Can you get over the childish, stupid rhetoric, and get real?
I can see you if threatened you would respond by presenting both limp wrists and saying "what have i done to offend you, please don't hurt me, there is a law against that" and as far as your other post I have been to myriad gun shows, they were pretty tightly supervised. I cannot speak for those in your area but the ones aruond here a "supervised" with law enforcement present and wen people purchase firearms they must pass an instant back ground check. You have been listening to too much CNN or MSNBC
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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Your 'food for thought' lacks any value. Guns make crime happen, but do not initiate the crime.
A criminal with a gun is much more likely to use it on you than his fork, or his car.
I don't see a point to comparing a gun in a criminal's hand to a plate in his hand.
He threaens me with a plate, and I kick his ass.
He points a gun and I empty my pockets.
Do you get that?
How many people in that movie theater would have been run over, or stuck with a fork?
Can you get over the childish, stupid rhetoric, and get real?
Did the truck cause the bombing of our barracks in Beiruit in Oct '83. You should have seen the carnage caused by the "truck" dipstick. the driver had no part in the matter, right

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<quoted text>Did the truck cause the bombing of our barracks in Beiruit in Oct '83. You should have seen the carnage caused by the "truck" dipstick. the driver had no part in the matter, right
You almost, but not quite get it.

How much damage could that creep have done if he walked up to ther US Marines and started punching them?

But no, he used a bomb. A bomb is a deadly weapon, more dangerous than a gun.(Don't be confused by him arriving in a truck.)
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I loath firearm violence.[as well as other types] I accept that a firearm may encourage criminals and people with poor reasoning skills to act when having to use a fist might inhibit their actions.

HOWEVER, they still CHOOSE to act. I agree. We need to hold people responsible for their actions. That said, alchohol also reduces inhibitions to violence. That is why it is regulated, but not illegal.

Firearms are a method of injuring people. They are not the only method, by far. What we need to do is punish those who choose to inflict the damage. It is their choice.

What is the old saying? "With great freedom comes great responisibility." How can we expect freedoms if no one is willing to be responsible for their actions, or others are willingto give them an 'out' so that it is really someone else's fault: not the triggerman's fault?

The key is human decisions. Punish those who make illegal ones. Don't punish those who cause no harm to anyone else.

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Mr_Bill wrote:
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You have the cart before the horse.
California, New York, and other states with high rates of gun crimes have instituted gun control rates because of the crime; and not the other way around, as you mistakenly assume.
I would like to see all guns registered, and tracked. When a gun is "stolen" from Virginia, and kills a child in Sacramento, I'd want the last registered owner auomatically charged with that murder.
So many guns are sold on the street, and reported "stolen" that a murder charge would both give us a real picture of who is dealing guns to criminals; and also give the 'loosey-goosey' gun owners (not like yourself) a real reason to secure their guns.
If the gun was truly stolen, the gun-owner-suspect could appear before the judge, prove his innocence; and be dismissed from the case.
If the same suspect/owner turns up in ten different murders, we can see the pattern.
I know well that real enthusiasts, reloaders like yourself, would not dream of selling your guns to thugs.
The problem remains that too many guns are being sold on the street to criminals and crazy people after illegally migrating from states which have none or loose gun control.
People don't create mass murders and massacres, guns create massacres.
Finally, you do know that the real problem is not pipes, rifles, baseball bats, or shotguns. The real crime problem is handguns, automatic weapons, and assault rifles.
Every American killed by these weapons is another notch on Scalia's tombstone.
The cart is not in front of the horse; you are just going in the wrong direction.

When Washington DC enacted their infamous gun ban in 1968, homicides tripled that following year and remained the highest in the Nation until it was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2010. y 2011, murder dropped by 34% in DC.

When Chicago enacted the gun ban in 1982, gun deaths increased 49% by the following year. When they legalized handguns again due to the SCOTUS ruling in 2011(though still too hard for many citizens to acquire) murder dropped by over 14%

(Murder rates declined at only 6% at National Average)

You make an interesting point about charging the owner for the murder even if their gun was stolen. Think about it; If someone steals your car, ends up killing somebody...You are responsible for that death and will be sentenced just as if you did it yourself. Why not? Cars kill more people than every type of firearm combined. We'll do the same with crowbars and baseball bats. More people are killed by these things than every rifle and shotgun combined.

Want to help stop gun violence? Then hold Obama and Holder responsible for illegally selling firearms to criminals through "fast and furious". After all, the guns that they sold killed more people (300 + a federal agent) than every mass murder since 9/11 combined.(Somewhat Ironic that you place your trust in a government that can not maintain their arms, and voice out against those that do).

Since 1982, only 7 people were killed in the U.S. with an automatic firearm.(You must possess a class 3 license to legally own one, and they are extremely regulated). Ironically, in all 7 of those cases, those automatics were stolen from law enforcement and from the military.

Assault rifles are automatics, which I have listed above. Just because they are made of composite stock and have a hand grip does not make it an assault rifle. Just a regular rifle like grandpa used to own; same cartridges, same power, same capabilities. Just more modern.

Pistols are necessary and serves best for self defense. This is why police carry them.(They use rifles when on the offensive).

The simple truth is; there are more unarmed people killed than armed. Depending on your attacker to have mercy on you is not a good survival strategy.

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The cart is not in front of the horse; you are just going in the wrong direction.
When Washington DC enacted their infamous gun ban in 1968, homicides tripled that following year and remained the highest in the Nation until it was overturned by the Supreme Court in 2010. y 2011, murder dropped by 34% in DC.
When Chicago enacted the gun ban in 1982, gun deaths increased 49% by the following year. When they legalized handguns again due to the SCOTUS ruling in 2011(though still too hard for many citizens to acquire) murder dropped by over 14%
(Murder rates declined at only 6% at National Average)
You make an interesting point about charging the owner for the murder even if their gun was stolen. Think about it; If someone steals your car, ends up killing somebody...You are responsible for that death and will be sentenced just as if you did it yourself. Why not? Cars kill more people than every type of firearm combined. We'll do the same with crowbars and baseball bats. More people are killed by these things than every rifle and shotgun combined.
Want to help stop gun violence? Then hold Obama and Holder responsible for illegally selling firearms to criminals through "fast and furious". After all, the guns that they sold killed more people (300 + a federal agent) than every mass murder since 9/11 combined.(Somewhat Ironic that you place your trust in a government that can not maintain their arms, and voice out against those that do).
Since 1982, only 7 people were killed in the U.S. with an automatic firearm.(You must possess a class 3 license to legally own one, and they are extremely regulated). Ironically, in all 7 of those cases, those automatics were stolen from law enforcement and from the military.
Assault rifles are automatics, which I have listed above. Just because they are made of composite stock and have a hand grip does not make it an assault rifle. Just a regular rifle like grandpa used to own; same cartridges, same power, same capabilities. Just more modern.
Pistols are necessary and serves best for self defense. This is why police carry them.(They use rifles when on the offensive).
The simple truth is; there are more unarmed people killed than armed. Depending on your attacker to have mercy on you is not a good survival strategy.
I know that a reloader knows how easy it is to alter assault-based gund to automatic or semi-automatic operation, so stop the shit.
You know your madeup statistics are insane.

You are right about 'illegally selling firearms to criminals', and this program, began by Cheney-Bush; and continued by the Obama appointees. it was moronic, but not criminal. They should be fired.

And a car is very different than a gun, so much so that your simile has no meaning.

You ought to compare explosives to guns in order to make any sense.

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Mr_Bill wrote:
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I see that you are unfamiliar with gun shows, or with the practice of selling a loads of guns out of a car trunk, and then reporting them stolen.
If criminals, as you suppose, only buy illicit guns, ask yourself how so many guns go illicitly into the hands of criminals.
I appreciate shooters and collectors. But they must take more responsibility for the dead children killed by their posturing which prevents better control of gun traffic.
Remember too, if only criminals had guns, they would soon run out, since all the guns would eventually have bodies on them.
Criminals buy guns wholesale, and sell them on street corners, whether you can accept that reality or not.
Gun enthusiasts have to do better than posturing, if they want the responsibility for all the recent killings lifted from them.
And, I am a centrist, and not a 'lib.'
And I can tell that you are not a moron, like many here; so, you can figure out how this "black market" you refer to is able to meet all criminal demands for guns, year after year.
Cars are not like handguns. They are not made for killing, and it is much harder to use a car to threaten or kill someone than a gun, no? So, poor comparison, you might just as well say guns are like grapes, or raisins.
The gun show.
All those people of every walk of life. Thousands of guns and millions of rounds of ammo. Yet not a single murder has ever been committed at one.

Now for your gun free zones.
Can you give just one example of a gun free zone that had not been targeted? I feel like a parrot saying this, but here it is; Criminals do not care about the law. This is why they are criminals. And they prefer unarmed victims since they can not shoot back.

(BTW: Even at gun shows, a background check must be performed by all FFL dealers.)

Just because cars are not made for killing does not change the fact that they kill more people than guns. Baseball bats and crowbars are not made for killing either, but they intentionally kill more people in the U.S. than every model/style of rifle and shotgun combined. More people die by mistakes made by their doctors/hospitals than by all firearms combined.

As far as how these guns end up in the hands of criminals, let's ask obama and holder. After all, they were the ones who gave them to them.

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