Mrs. Bush: History will vindicate her husband

McCain McDunce McGramm wrote:

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The point you are missing is dubya mismanaged ALL aspects of this voluntary invasion. This invasion has gone on longer then WWI and WWII; where the foe was much larger, much stronger, and much more organized. Those wars were also wars of necessity.
In the end, the cost to the taxpayer will be staggering. To give a clue as to why some of the so called "intellectual" Americans are upset, here's some points to ponder.
#1. It was a voluntary, illegal invasion of a sovereign nation that could have been solved on a diplomatic basis.
#2. bush&Dick used doctored and cherry picked intelligence with extraordinary nazi grade propaganda to support fraudulent claims.
http://downingstreetmemo.com
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a...
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2b...
#3. To sell the war to the public, it was supposed to be a cakewalk, flowing in money, with no cost to the U.S. taxpayer. Even the neocon fringe have called bush an utter, total disaster.
When you get done with those points, here are some more...
200,000+ Iraqi civilians deaths
4,000,000 displaced Iraqi civilians
?,???,???+ wounded Iraqi civilians
175,000 American military families "on hold"
4,000 American sons, fathers, husbands d e a d
37,000+ Americans maimed
We should not forget to ponder these devastated lives.

500,000 children died under the Albright/Clinton sanctions.

tournefort wrote:

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Hi Jim, I'm glad you posted in response to my message. I'm sorry for being unclear. I was NOT critcizing YOU. I was commenting on the nasty comments made to you by Donna.
These comments were addressed to her:
"Tell us, oh condescending one, just what you have contributed to "the community at large" that is, in ANY way, useful. Re-reading your posts, I find NOTHING.
And no one elected you "speaker for the forum" or the "community at large"."
I'm sure you have noticed that thus far her only "contributions" to the thread have been to repeatedly call you "liar", a variety of other names and play junior psychiatrist.

Thank you, I don't let small minds like Donna and others who prove themselves so clueless. I give them no more consideration than a Bull Elephant gives to the flies who gather at the dung he leaves behind.

brad jenks wrote:

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I've read the replies to you with some amusement. They seem to be claiming your posts make you a liar because you post things like the Prague connection to Mohammed Atta.
Although the link has been 95% disproved, if these people did actual research into that event they'd realize it actually indicts Iraq and Saddam Hussein in using terror as a tool. Let me repeat...Even though the meeting probably DID NOT occur the story proves Saddam Hussein's complicity in terror.
Also the allegation George Bush or Cheney "invented" this link proves those making such accusations know absolutely nothing about the event, nor what they speak.
The truth of the matter is the Czech Intelligence informed our CIA of the meeting April 21, 2001...well before 9/11, but the identity of the visitor (alleged by the Czechs to be Atta Sept 11 2001) was unknown on April 9,2001. But this is where it gets interesting.
The Czechs expelled the Iraqi embassy employee named Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al Ani as a result of this April 9, 2001 meeting on April 24, 2001.
The point I'm making is a meeting did occur between the Iraqi (al Ali) and 'someone' who the Czechs identified as Atta AFTER 9/11. The meeting wasn't "invented" by Bush Cheney or anyone else since it did occur. It just probably wasn't Atta.
The reason the Czechs were watching the Iraqi Embassy is a very interesting piece of history relating to terror, but since most folks ignore history I've decided it is probably not worth sharing...

Well said, but be careful, putting logic and truth on this thread will make you a target of those emotionally disturbed posters.

Harry Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, hear his wisdom below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Okay Dennis Miller, please don't hold back, tell us what your really think about Harry Reid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bush is one of the best presidents we've had since Lincoln. I wish he could have a third term. B. Hussien Obama is a marxist who is going to tax EVERYTHING. For those that work, get ready to start paying for those that don't want to, because that what Nobama want.

history has finally vindicated the three stooges----they got no respect while alive; chaplin and the marx brothers got all the respect. but, now, the three stooges are recogonized for their artistic talents.

exdem wrote:

<quoted text>........ libs and dems dont even want him to fight al qeada, they would flip if he went after nkorea or iran, seems they hate when bush goes after thier allies....how bout that 55o tons of uranium shipped out of iraq?...isnt that an ingredient of WMD?...... it was in the A-bombs that truman (D) dropped on japan...

Careful, selective reading has been linked to stupidity. Your 550 ton proof is something even dubya is smart enough to not try to spin... Your "proof" comes from the "Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear power efforts.
Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded your 550t of yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991.

REPEAT: THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY YELLOWCAKE DATING FROM AFTER 1991.

PS: many dems, liberals, and intellectuals have served and fought in wars for America. War, if it is fought, should be the absolute last resort in any circumstance. Bright leaders have always known this. Stupid, careless, coke heads bring a country to war for profit.

Just because you are anti war doesn't make you a liberal, it is an indicator of conscience and intelligence.

PSS: Conscience is the ability that distinguishes whether our actions are right or wrong.

Jim Says wrote:

Harry Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, hear his wisdom below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Okay Dennis Miller, please don't hold back, tell us what your really think about Harry Reid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

At least we agree on something, reid and pelosi are very nice people but they are useless to the dem party.

Ostrich wrote:

Bush is one of the best presidents we've had since Lincoln. I wish he could have a third term. B. Hussien Obama is a marxist who is going to tax EVERYTHING. For those that work, get ready to start paying for those that don't want to, because that what Nobama want.

You need to stick your head back in the sand - you're obviously not using it for anything.

Mrf Yrrbnrc wrote:

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500,000 children died under the Albright/Clinton sanctions.

Please explain how you arrived at this figure.

Mrf Yrrbnrc wrote:

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500,000 children died under the Albright/Clinton sanctions.
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The point you are missing is dubya mismanaged ALL aspects of this voluntary invasion. This invasion has gone on longer then WWI and WWII; where the foe was much larger, much stronger, and much more organized. Those wars were also wars of necessity.
In the end, the cost to the taxpayer will be staggering. To give a clue as to why some of the so called "intellectual" Americans are upset, here's some points to ponder.
#1. It was a voluntary, illegal invasion of a sovereign nation that could have been solved on a diplomatic basis.
#2. bush&Dick used doctored and cherry picked intelligence with extraordinary nazi grade propaganda to support fraudulent claims.
http://downingstreetmemo.com
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a ...
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2b ...
#3. To sell the war to the public, it was supposed to be a cakewalk, flowing in money, with no cost to the U.S. taxpayer. Even the neocon fringe have called bush an utter, total disaster.
When you get done with those points, here are some more...
200,000+ Iraqi civilians deaths
4,000,000 displaced Iraqi civilians
?,???,???+ wounded Iraqi civilians
175,000 American military families "on hold"
4,000 American sons, fathers, husbands d e a d
37,000+ Americans maimed
We should not forget to ponder these devastated lives.
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Nice try, but my numbers addressed combat devastation. They did not address death due to lack of hospitalization, infant mortality, etc...

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/iraq_stat...

The infant mortality rate in Iraq has increased by a shocking 150 percent since 1990—the highest such increase recorded for any country in the world—according to an annual report issued by the child advocacy group, Save the Children.

According to the report, in 2005, the last year for which reliable data is available, one in eight Iraqi children—122,000 in all—died before reaching their fifth birthday. More than half of these deaths were recorded among new-born infants, with pneumonia and diarrhea claiming the greatest toll among Iraqi babies.

The infant mortality rate has long been considered one of the key measures of societal progress and wellbeing. The astounding figures recorded in Iraq are an accurate reflection of the social devastation wrought both by the US invasion of 2003 and more than a decade of US-backed economic sanctions that preceded it.

The report blamed the horrific decline in infant and child health since the invasion on the steadily worsening living conditions for the Iraqi population as a whole, including “electricity shortages, insufficient clean water, deteriorating health services and soaring inflation.”

This overall destruction of basic social infrastructure unleashed by the US invasion and occupation has been translated into a horrendous decline in child health.“Only 35 percent of Iraqi children are fully immunized, and more than one-fifth (21 percent) are severely or moderately stunted” as a result of malnutrition, the study found.

I guess the conservapedia is good for a laugh as the Guardian story points out.
"As liberal bloggers were eager to point out, many of the entries are quite funny: there are long disquisitions on the satanic properties of the cactus; rants against atheism, homosexuality and (naturally) Albert Einstein; and giddy posts about the possibility of an American theocracy."

(And that's not propaganda?)

" Some entries have a dubious emphasis. Last week, for instance, this was the entire entry on Stalin:'Josef Stalin was an atheist communist Russian dictator during World War II. He was defeated by Adolf Hitler, despite Hitler also being an atheist.'"

Ostrich wrote:

Bush is one of the best presidents we've had since Lincoln. I wish he could have a third term. B. Hussien Obama is a marxist who is going to tax EVERYTHING. For those that work, get ready to start paying for those that don't want to, because that what Nobama want.

haha, that is soooo funny, now I'm really scared.

Listen up Ostrich, your bloodline will have to pay back the !!!FIVE TRILLION!!! for the next 7t generations from dubya's failed, idiotic, misinformed puppet regime.

In his 8 years, he doubled the national debt, the accumulated debt since 1776.

Put hat that in your crack pipe and smoke it.

Those asking for a Bibliography, this is the beginning of one. Hopefully it makes it clear that the history post was thoroughly researched, and as accurate as possible with information available at the time. If you want the full measure of the bibliography I could do so, but to save myself time putting it together, and for you on the posts reading it, I just did a short one to prove the point.

“A typical frat-boy, Bush graduated and served as a lieutenant in the air national guard, where he flew F-102 fighter planes. He received his MBA from Harvard, the first president to do so, where he began to take his education more seriously.”

J.H.Hatfield and Mark Crispin Miller,“Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President”(New York: St. Martin’s, 1999) George W. Bush and Karen Hughes,“A Charge to Keep”(New York: William Morrow and Co., 1999) Bill Minutaglio,“First Son: George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty (New York: Times, 1999) Frank Bruni,“Ambling into History: The Unlikely Odyssey of George W. Bush”(New York: Harpers Collins, 2002) On the first two and a half years of the Bush presidency, see David Frum,“The Right Man”(New York: Random House, 2003)

“As soon as the second tower was hit, and it was then known that this was a concerted terrorist effort and not an accident Bush and the Joint Chiefs of Staff immediately ordered a massive manhunt for those responsible.“We’re going to find who did this. They’re not going to like me as president,” he said. Bush was more blunt to Cheney, We’re going to find out who did this and we’re going to kick their asses.”

Balz and Woodward,“America’s Chaotic Road to War.”

““On Tuesday, our country was attacked with deliberate and massive cruelty. We have seen the images of fire and ashes, and bent steel. Now comes the names, the list of casualties we are only beginning to read. They are the names of people who faced death, and in their last moments called home to say,“Be brave, and I love you.” War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing.””

Sammon,“Fighting Back, 163-165, See also Larry Schweikart,“The Weight of the World and the Responsibility of a Generation,”

McCain McDunce McGramm wrote:

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At least we agree on something, reid and pelosi are very nice people but they are useless to the dem party.

I do not agree that they are nice people. I believe both are guilty of treason, and both are corrupt to the core and should both be in prison instead of leading their respective Houses.

Jim Says wrote:

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I do not agree that they are nice people. I believe both are guilty of treason, and both are corrupt to the core and should both be in prison instead of leading their respective Houses.

More dung left behind ...

Ostrich wrote:

Bush is one of the best presidents we've had since Lincoln. I wish he could have a third term. B. Hussien Obama is a marxist who is going to tax EVERYTHING. For those that work, get ready to start paying for those that don't want to, because that what Nobama want.

You've certainly chosen an appropriate handle there.

Jim Says wrote:

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I do not agree that they are nice people. I believe both are guilty of treason, and both are corrupt to the core and should both be in prison instead of leading their respective Houses.

You misunderstood Jim, I was talking about reid and pelosi not bush and diock. So we now agree on 2 things, bush and diock should both be in prison guilty of treason. We are both one with intelligent thought today, this is good.

Jim Says wrote:

He received his MBA from Harvard, the first president to do so, where he began to take his education more seriously.”
J.H.Hatfield and Mark Crispin Miller,“Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President”(New York: St. Martin’s, 1999)

Now respond to what one of his professors at HBS has to say about Mr. Bush while he was attending his class at Harvard Business School.

BTW - He was only able to gain admission to Harvard Business School due to his family connections. They don't normally take 'C' students from Yale or anywhere else for graduate level work. A 'C' average that more than one his classmates at the time was obtained by his having other students take his tests for him.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/...

I know you will probably accuse one of his actual professors as a biased source with an agenda unlike the authors of the fawning biographies you've included in your (ahem) extensive bibliographies, but my source is logically a better source to make the determination you are claiming.

But then what do I know compared to someone who has a 141 IQ like yourself.

McCain McDunce McGramm wrote:

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Nice try, but my numbers addressed combat devastation. They did not address death due to lack of hospitalization, infant mortality, etc...
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/iraq_stat...
The infant mortality rate in Iraq has increased by a shocking 150 percent since 1990—the highest such increase recorded for any country in the world—according to an annual report issued by the child advocacy group, Save the Children.
According to the report, in 2005, the last year for which reliable data is available, one in eight Iraqi children—122,000 in all—died before reaching their fifth birthday. More than half of these deaths were recorded among new-born infants, with pneumonia and diarrhea claiming the greatest toll among Iraqi babies.
The infant mortality rate has long been considered one of the key measures of societal progress and wellbeing. The astounding figures recorded in Iraq are an accurate reflection of the social devastation wrought both by the US invasion of 2003 and more than a decade of US-backed economic sanctions that preceded it.
The report blamed the horrific decline in infant and child health since the invasion on the steadily worsening living conditions for the Iraqi population as a whole, including “electricity shortages, insufficient clean water, deteriorating health services and soaring inflation.”
This overall destruction of basic social infrastructure unleashed by the US invasion and occupation has been translated into a horrendous decline in child health.“Only 35 percent of Iraqi children are fully immunized, and more than one-fifth (21 percent) are severely or moderately stunted” as a result of malnutrition, the study found.

Nice try yourself there Mr McNobody.