Iran threatens U.S. ships

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Kenhunt wrote:

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The small print you left out is, Iran per the IAEA, is rapidly developing the ability to produce enough enriched uranium to produce nukes. Their production exceeds the needs for peaceful uses.
True about Israel, but there's a good bit of history there, yes?

Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive "regime change" in another Arab country they accused of spreading terror and threatening the west's oil supplies, by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.

Newly discovered documents show how in 1957 Harold Macmillan and President Dwight Eisenhower approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria's pro-western neighbours, and then to "eliminate" the most influential triumvirate in Damascus.

The plans, frighteningly frank in their discussion, were discovered in the private papers of Duncan Sandys, Mr Macmillan's defence secretary, by Matthew Jones, a reader in international history at Royal Holloway, University of London.

Although historians know that intelligence services had sought to topple the Syrian regime in the autumn of 1957, this is the first time any document has been found showing that the assassination of three leading figures was at the heart of the scheme. In the document drawn up by a top secret and high-level working group that met in Washington in September 1957, Mr Macmillan and President Eisenhower were left in no doubt about the need to assassinate the top men in Damascus.

Part of the "preferred plan" reads: "In order to facilitate the action of liberative forces, reduce the capabilities of the Syrian regime to organise and direct its military actions, to hold losses and destruction to a minimum, and to bring about desired results in the shortest possible time, a special effort should be made to eliminate certain key individuals. Their removal should be accomplished early in the course of the uprising and intervention and in the light of circumstances existing at the time."

The document, approved by London and Washington, named three men: Abd al-Hamid Sarraj, head of Syrian military intelligence; Afif al-Bizri, chief of the Syrian general staff; and Khalid Bakdash, leader of the Syrian Communist party.

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The "preferred plan"adds: "Once a political decision is reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS [MI6] will attempt, to mount minor sabotage and coup de main incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals.

"The two services should consult, as appropriate, to avoid any overlapping or interference with each other's activities... Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus; the operation should not be overdone; and to the extent possible care should be taken to avoid causing key leaders of the Syrian regime to take additional personal protection measures."

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I'm aware of the history of Israel initiating attacks on Iran... but I'm not aware of Iran ever being an aggressor in recent history.
I found this interesting article on covert plans for Syria in the late 1950s (at the same time that the U.S. was engaged in operations to overthrow the elected leader of Iran and install a ruthless Western puppet regime)... sound like history is repeating, yes?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/2...
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Kenhunt wrote:

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You should care what Europeans pay for fuel because when the oil supply is reduced it will go to the highest bidder. All Germany needs to do is reduce its tax on fuels and raise its bids to hold its price at the pumps; we do not have that slack in our pricing system. Right now, we must import oil, but we could get along with no oil coming from the ME, since our major non-domestic suppliers are Canada and Mexico. I know of no reason to cut off Saudi Arabia's supply to us just now. But as I just said, the price of oil will rise regardless of its source if supply is further manipulated.
I agree we need to eliminate the need to import any energy and we are not doing what we could to do that. Obama fails us there.
To replace the two party system, reduce the amount of money that can be donated to any candidate to one dollar per citizen. Once money falls out of the equation, independents will have a chance. Second, vote out all incumbents from either party, and we can do that soon to send a message that the parties need to listen to their constituents.

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Europe can't afford to lower their taxes. That revenue is already spent. There social programs have bankrupted all of those countries and we are heading down the same path. They have promised more then what they can raise. No matter how much money is floating around the election. The PEOPLE are the ones in the voting booth. The PEOPLE are the ones that flip that leveler. Not the dollar bill, not the big donors,corps,oil etc. If the PEOPLE believe negative ads it is the PEOPLE'S fault for not doing there own research about their candidate. We have given a human form to an entity that only exist in our mind. If we want real change, the PEOPLE should demand term limits now. In a new Congress the first item would be term limits before any other issue would be voted on. THEN the PEOPLE MIGHT take Congress serious for a change.

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Kenhunt wrote:

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I can't speak for Europe's need for the taxes on fuel, but there is no doubt about its need for fuel, and I think they'd cut fuel taxes before they'd go without fuel. I strongly disagree with your opinion that money doesn't influence a candidate's ability to present his or herself. It is crucial. It is really almost impossible to find objective sources to research candidates, in part because of all the money spent to spin candidates and dredge up dirt, or manufacture it. Ads affect conduct; billions are spent every year on ads of all sorts because their effectiveness is proven. I too would like to see term limits, a requirement to balance the budget every year, and an end to all earmarks.

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If the people believe the ads ,it isn't money's fault. I have never seen a dollar bill vote. With a availability of information today, people have no excuse to not be informed. If that is their arguement, then "THEY" are stupid!

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Kenhunt wrote:

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Open your eyes. Dollar bills vote in the USA indirectly. And if you think it is so easy to be correctly informed about a given candidate, what site do you use for that? Give us an example.

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I would like to see money vote! All I have ever seen is a long line of PEOPLE waiting at the election station. All media will give you "THEIR" version of the truth. It is up to YOU with your BS filters on to come to a reasonable conclusion of your candidate and why you support them. No, I can't put my finger on it but I know it is there.

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Kenhunt wrote:

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Taint there, amigo. The kids our public schools turn out wouldn't know a mule from a race horse. But if they saw an ad... paid for with dollars pitching "vote for race horses and mules are evil" enough times, they'd vote for race horses. And that is how dollars vote.

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Retired SOF wrote:

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Then be the parent! Info, educate, TALK (about something other then American Idol!!) They are YOUR kids, YOU are responible for them!

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Kenhunt wrote:

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OUR kids, yes. I have given speeches in my capacity as a retired soldier, as a principal for a private school, and as a college instructor. But it is almost impossible to overcome the massive sunami of liberal views found in public schools and universities. I think in my department in a university, I may have been highly suspect among the other faculty members because I was masculine, male, married for life, Catholic, Republican, straight, and politically incorrect.
I recall a fellow saying the average American home has more televisions than toilets, which is to say there is more shit coming in than going out.

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Retired SOF wrote:

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We allowed it, we can change it. I just hope we have the time to spare!

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Kenhunt wrote:

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The line goes, "The road to the college of education is paved with calculus books."