Now That Mexican Border is Secure, Will Republicans Stop Blocking Immigration Reform?

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Rebel wrote:

The border is not secure. We are constantly seeing articles about vans of people being shot at or having accidents while coming across the border carrying illegal aliens from Mexico. If the border was so secure, we certainly would not see such articles, as none of those things would be happening.
This is why they can (wrongly) claim that the border is more secure and less people are coming over.(Less is not NONE, which is what we need for our border to truly be secure.)
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in...
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Border apprehensions are down for a simple reason…Obama is not allowing them
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) just announced that the number of illegal aliens apprehended in fiscal year 2011 sunk to a 40-year low at 327,000.
While DHS largely attributes the decline to more stringent border security, it appears that the real reason is something much less impressive.
In May, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever testified before Congress that Border Patrol’s new policy of giving a warning to illegal crossers rather than taking them into custody, known as “Turn Back South” was not only being practiced near the border, but far north of it as well.
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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Actually, border apprehensions are down because border crossings are down because there are fewer jobs in the US for illegals.
this proves the fact that making it harder for illegals to get jobs is the way to stop illegal immigration.
Border patrols and the revolving door policy of deport and return has not worked and would have to continue forever for their minimal effectiveness. solving the problem, not the symptom, by cracking down on illegal hiring will solve this issue.
The facts don't lie.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Actually, border apprehensions are down because border crossings are down because there are fewer jobs in the US for illegals.
this proves the fact that making it harder for illegals to get jobs is the way to stop illegal immigration.
Border patrols and the revolving door policy of deport and return has not worked and would have to continue forever for their minimal effectiveness. solving the problem, not the symptom, by cracking down on illegal hiring will solve this issue.
The facts don't lie.

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brad wrote:

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But the only solution I ever see is to punish employers for hiring the very people that are here because the Feds won't do their job in securing the inflow.
Why is the solution never to end federal funding to santuary cities?
Hitting politicans in the pocketbooks has always been effective.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>As these facts clearly point out, if US citizens quit hiring illegal workers, they would stop coming here. the jobs are the reason they are coming here.
yes the Feds should step up the enforcement of this, as should the many states that have strict laws against hiring illegals, but are not enforced.
Securing the border has not worked and will not work. Taking care of the problem, the hiring of illegal workers, will solve the problem.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>As these facts clearly point out, if US citizens quit hiring illegal workers, they would stop coming here. the jobs are the reason they are coming here.
yes the Feds should step up the enforcement of this, as should the many states that have strict laws against hiring illegals, but are not enforced.
Securing the border has not worked and will not work. Taking care of the problem, the hiring of illegal workers, will solve the problem.

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Rebel wrote:

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Did you bother reading the article?
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in...
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Border apprehensions are down for a simple reason…Obama is not allowing them
In May, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever testified before Congress that Border Patrol’s new policy of giving a warning to illegal crossers rather than taking them into custody, known as “Turn Back South” was not only being practiced near the border, but far north of it as well.
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So if all they do is give a warning, then it *appears* border crossings are down, when in reality, they are not. Or at least they are not down that much. Have you read the current news about the vans being stopped and the vans being shot at the and the accidents happening with illegal aliens being in the vans???? Apparently not.

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Not all of them are working, anyway. Many, like Obozo's illegal aunt, find ways to milk the system and get on the government dole, living out of Section 8 housing, etc.(even without anchor brats).
Only 7,700,000 are found to be working.
The following stats on illegals working in the U.S. is from a study done by the Pew Hispanic Center and only published by CIS.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/pdf/P...
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In addition to these new, legal foreign workers, some 7.7 million illegal aliens were employed in U.S. jobs in 2008, based on estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.3 These are all jobs that unemployed U.S. workers—both citizens and already-resident legal immigrants—could and should have the chance to fill.
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This study was from a time when they were saying there was a minimum of 12,000,000 illegal aliens here, if not more. That leaves a lot of room for mooching.
So what are the rest doing to support themselves??

Rebel wrote:

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"Good people" (as they purport themselves to be) would not purposely break the laws of a sovereign country (or any laws, for that matter). Supposing they made the mistake of doing so, "good people" would want to right their wrong, which, in this instance, entails going home and applying to come the right way, as well as accepting whatever decision is made on that application (good or bad).
A company cannot hire that which is not here. If the illegal aliens were not here, applying for the jobs, they couldn't hire them. If you suggest the companies recruit in Mexico, well, good people would not take a job, knowing it is against the law. These people KNOW that being here without permission is against the law. Thus, even if someone were to recruit them in their own country, they are KNOWINGLY BREAKING THE LAW.
If I am offered money to break the law, I would say NO. If I chose to do it, I would not be considered innocent, because someone else enticed me. Ignorance of the law is not a defense, anyway.
We need to punish both the employers AND the illegal aliens -- strictly. No overlooking anything because they don't have some violent criminal record. Merely working without authorization is a CRIME, as is walking over our border without the proper paperwork. Let's not even get into stealing/using a social securing number that does not belong to you, etc., etc., etc.
Not only should the employers feel the pain of hiring illegal aliens, but illegal aliens should feel the pain of being here. They should be offered NOTHING. They should not be allowed to rent, to turn on utilities, to do any business with anyone, EVER. They have no right to be here and thus should have no right to anything while here. If they are truly sick, they should have the right to be stabilized and shipped home, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO SUE ANYONE DUE TO THEIR BEING HERE ILLEGALLY AND RECEIVING WHAT THEY DETERMINE TO BE LESS THAN GOOD CARE. If they hadn't been where they didn't belong, they couldn't have gotten any "bad" care. If they hadn't been where they didn't belong, they couldn't have been the victim of a crime here, either. They make their beds. Let them lie in them...and NOT at the taxpayers' expense.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Ummm...living with the ones that do have jobs??? Duh.

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Suwannee wrote:

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Duh..........they get on welfare. I don't need any posting from the morons stating otherwise. I know for a fact they can get on welfare if they have children , anchor brats or just brats.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>the AP article I cited does not use border patrol records for thier source.
If you go back to when the US economy first started tanking, you can read about how the attempted border crossings dropped immediately. people in mexico know if there are jobs available for them here in the US or not, and they come here if there are and they don't of there are not.
if we actually solve the problem of illegal immigration by going at its source, the jobs, we will cut off the reason illegal immigrants come here.
Also, in the AP story, and ny other source you can look at, you will see that immigrants from mexico make up less than 2/3rds of the illegal residents in the US. almost all the rest are people that were here legally, but never left when they were supposed to. securing the border will not stop that. fully one third of the problem! taking away the ability to get a job here without proper documentation will solve the entire problem.

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woodtick57 wrote:

<quoted text>Ummm...living with the ones that do have jobs??? Duh.