Wisconsin Department of Justice files to appeal union law order

In the private sector there are market restraints on what a union can demand. If UPS (union) workers demand too much in compensation as to render their company non-competitive with FedEx (non-union), they will lose business. This puts a real world restraint on what these unions demand in terms of compensation and benefits. Corporations can go out of business, which obviously would hurt the union employees. Government has no competition, and is in effect a monopoly in terms of the services that it supplies. Therefore, there is no similar control placed upon public sector union demands. If government workers go on strike, where else can consumers go to get their drivers licenses? There is no market mechanism to keep the price of labor in line.

With the lack of market forces, taxpayers must rely exclusively upon management to say no to costly demands. Management in this case of the current issue in Wisconsin is the Governor, but the scenario is no different throughout other levels of government. County Executives, Mayors, & Town Councils all act as management in the government "corporation". The government official must work even harder to represent the taxpayer in negotiations with public employee unions under these circumstances. There is a political party, however, that is beholden to the very government unions they are supposed to be negotiating with.

The Democratic Party receives an overwhelming amount of money in political donations from public sector unions, in fact their top 4 donors are various government unions (http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontri... ).

Many candidates go to union sponsored events, and pledge their support. This would not be a problem if not for the fact that the elected official in question will be sitting across the negotiating table from the very union that supported them in their campaign. If a candidate for office received a donation from a corporation, then after elected gave a no bid contract to that corporation it would be called corruption. How is this situation any different?

Considering most government entities (other than federal) must balance their budgets every year, you would think that politicians would be restricted from offering paybacks to the unions. They can’t give what they don’t have. Right? The problem with this argument is that the official has the ability to promise, and get passed into law, retirement and health benefits that will be paid for in the future. This takes away any current budgetary restraint that may exist, and puts us in the situation we find ourselves today in Wisconsin and all across the nation.

Mr. Walker’s proposal specifically eliminated collective bargaining for pension and healthcare benefits. This addresses the problem of politicians overpromising future benefits for unions that helped elect them. Any progress made in Wisconsin or other states, however, may be short lived if the screamers get to rule the debate. It would not be surprising if unions spend even more than the current record amounts in the next election in order to drown out rational discussion.

Unions only make products and services more expensive.

They work for the benefit of their members even when it is to the detriment of everyone else.

Since they have completely destroyed many private sector industries, they are seeking to offset those loses with public sector unions. Unlike the private sector market competition, they have no self checks in public sector!

They have corrupted the process and wield an unfair advantage that taxpayers are subsidizing. Since the DFL party is their wholly owned subsidiary, they can't be objective.

Future generations will pay for this abuse--and unions are the sole cause.

We can only hope all the Unions die a quick and painful death. they are the dregs of the Earth and are going to be the death of manufacturing in the United States. I am a member of 2 unions and I vote against whomever they endorse.

Remember November 2012. Vote ALL Demoncraps out!

HMMMMMMMMMER wrote:

We can only hope all the Unions die a quick and painful death. they are the dregs of the Earth and are going to be the death of manufacturing in the United States. I am a member of 2 unions and I vote against whomever they endorse.
Remember November 2012. Vote ALL Demoncraps out!

Well said! Unions are corrupt.

Well, the fleebaggers are back, re-vote and get the same result without the BS court challenges.

I still think it's so unfair that these poor union members will get the ability to CHOOSE to be in the union and stay in it.

Agency attorneys Maria Lazar and Steven Kilpatrick said in a petition to the 4th District Court of Appeals that Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi trampled the Legislature's ability to create laws. She can rule on a law only after it takes effect, they said. Is it not a fact the law was passed with no due process. Due process is required to be a law. In fact it is then the job of the courts to make sure the law is upheld even by legislatures? Is it not the job of these attorneys to protect the civil rights of the people of Wisconsin? These state paid attorneys are paid to protect the civil rights they are asking the judge to violate. The civil rights of the people of Wisconsin. As a citizen I demand that these two attorneys be removed from the public payrolls today. Let the Republican Party or Mr. Koch pay their wages. I must ask if Van Holllen represents the people of Wisconsin or the Republican Party? I must ask if the courts do not have a right to get involved in legislation. Why was the Mc Cain / Feingold legislation end by a republican judge? It is not legal for judge to intervene.

Just Republican lapdogs, barking on the command of the Coke Brothers.

What else would you expect from Wisconsin?

lol wrote:

Agency attorneys Maria Lazar and Steven Kilpatrick said in a petition to the 4th District Court of Appeals that Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi trampled the Legislature's ability to create laws. She can rule on a law only after it takes effect, they said. Is it not a fact the law was passed with no due process. Due process is required to be a law. In fact it is then the job of the courts to make sure the law is upheld even by legislatures? Is it not the job of these attorneys to protect the civil rights of the people of Wisconsin? These state paid attorneys are paid to protect the civil rights they are asking the judge to violate. The civil rights of the people of Wisconsin. As a citizen I demand that these two attorneys be removed from the public payrolls today. Let the Republican Party or Mr. Koch pay their wages. I must ask if Van Holllen represents the people of Wisconsin or the Republican Party? I must ask if the courts do not have a right to get involved in legislation. Why was the Mc Cain / Feingold legislation end by a republican judge? It is not legal for judge to intervene.

Apparently civics was not one of your better classes in school...

The WI government consists of three separate and independent branches, the legislative, executive and judicial. In simplest terms;

Legislative branch writes the laws...

Executive branch implements the laws...

Judicial branch interrupts the laws.

In this particular case it seems the Circuit Court judge may have circumvented the Executive branch...most people call it "judicial activism"...and it robs you and everyone else of their basic rights of representation.

As for McCain-Feingold the court became involved only after the legislation was passed and signed into law by Bush...no comparison here.

Public employee unions should be given the choice between keeping their unions and keeping civil service protections, not both.

Even then, the employer shouldn't be forced to hire only union members and collect dues.

If the union is providing a worthwhile service, then the members will WILLINGLY pay the dues. I wonder how many union members would tell their unions to go pound sand if given the choice?

When the right to work is put ahead of the right to collective bargaining, then I will believe that unions are serious about "worker's rights".

Madaman wrote:

Just Republican lapdogs, barking on the command of the Coke Brothers.
What else would you expect from Wisconsin?

Would those "Lapdogs" be related to the Collectivist Pigs that caused hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars damage to the People's House in Madison,Wi with their rooting around at the Public Trough, crapping everywhere they stood, as they grunted for more from the Productive Classes ?

HMMMMMMMMMER wrote:

We can only hope all the Unions die a quick and painful death. they are the dregs of the Earth and are going to be the death of manufacturing in the United States. I am a member of 2 unions and I vote against whomever they endorse.
Remember November 2012. Vote ALL Demoncraps out!

So quit and hang out with your "fuzzy" billionaire koch friends...

M Hazzard wrote:

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So quit and hang out with your "fuzzy" billionaire koch friends...

see you are using the new keyword today fuzzy. did you learn it from the socialist billionaire soros?

jw in the grove wrote:

<quoted text>see you are using the new keyword today fuzzy. did you learn it from the socialist billionaire soros?

I see you climbed out from under your rock to get your daily dose of "kool-aid"...

Did the WI DOJ hire the same corporate attorneys that clued-in the WI GOP to pass the union-busting measures as a stand-alone bill to handle the appeal?

Continence wrote:

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Would those "Lapdogs" be related to the Collectivist Pigs that caused hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars damage to the People's House in Madison,Wi with their rooting around at the Public Trough, crapping everywhere they stood, as they grunted for more from the Productive Classes ?

No.

Madaman wrote:

Just Republican lapdogs, barking on the command of the Coke Brothers.
What else would you expect from Wisconsin?

How old are you, 15, 19 tops? I hope you can't vote, you're too dumb.

M Hazzard wrote:

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So quit and hang out with your "fuzzy" billionaire koch friends...

Or you could go hang out with your billionaire Soros friend you hypocritical doofus.

Next wrote:

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Or you could go hang out with your billionaire Soros friend you hypocritical doofus.

Soros doesn't hate teachers, seniors and kids like all republicans do...

lol wrote:

Agency attorneys Maria Lazar and Steven Kilpatrick said in a petition to the 4th District Court of Appeals that Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi trampled the Legislature's ability to create laws. She can rule on a law only after it takes effect, they said. Is it not a fact the law was passed with no due process. Due process is required to be a law. In fact it is then the job of the courts to make sure the law is upheld even by legislatures? Is it not the job of these attorneys to protect the civil rights of the people of Wisconsin? These state paid attorneys are paid to protect the civil rights they are asking the judge to violate. The civil rights of the people of Wisconsin. As a citizen I demand that these two attorneys be removed from the public payrolls today. Let the Republican Party or Mr. Koch pay their wages. I must ask if Van Holllen represents the people of Wisconsin or the Republican Party? I must ask if the courts do not have a right to get involved in legislation. Why was the Mc Cain / Feingold legislation end by a republican judge? It is not legal for judge to intervene.

We could ask the same of the Judge, who issued thr stay. Who has FAMILY IN THE UNIONS! A direct conflict of interest! We could also ask the same of nobama and just about every liberal democrap in gov't. DO THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA OR JUST THEIR PARTY? Based on what they're doing to us I'm not sure who they represent! Whoever it is DOES NOT PAY TAXES!

I think that Gov Walker ought to accept the Judge's decision.

I also think Gov Walker ought to immediately issue 6,000 lay off notices to public union employees. He should attach a note that tells those facing the lay off to thank the Judge and the 14 Dems that decided to leave the State rather than do their jobs.