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Second Circuit Court of Appeals

Homeschoolers Protest Court Ruling

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yougo

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#23
Mar 7, 2008
 
If parents want to home school their children then they should be accredited. What harm will that do? If these parent are so worried about their kids then get the education to properly teach them. Everyone knows someone who was home schooled and most with good results, but at the same time if this is a law you have to follow it. And for the idiot that compares constitutional rights of parents to the ones of terrorists, please get your head out of you arse.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
Thinkingman wrote:
Yowza,
Get your facts straight. If parents want to do "No schooling" they would send them to the Government Indoctrination station; wait, that's just what most people do. Talk about a place to learn a "Wacky ideological doctrine". How about "Heather Has Two Mommies", or a day of silence for homosexual solidarity.
Hey Snakemike,
I am always shocked at all of the big news headlines about the savage gangs of "Homeschoolers" roaming our streets. Such violence they perpetrate; what did they do to you, correct your spelling? What is our society coming to?
Crawl out of your concrete bunker and look at the streets around you and notice all the kids out there during the day.
No they don't claim to be a gang of home schoolers just a buch of children with no guidance .
As far as my spelling, I don't have time to worry about every word I type to make sure it is perfect. If i was writing a letter that was going to mean some special I might take a little time and check it out but this is a forum that does not wait.
So unless you can prove that you have never misspelled anything in here SHUT UP idiot

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#25
Mar 7, 2008
 
I wish everyone would stop using the term 'public schools'. They are GOVERNMENT schools. When you look at it that way, this makes a lot of sense. ALways follow the money.
Yowza

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Mar 7, 2008
 
snakemike215 wrote:
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You are the one that needs to stick to the facts. The facts are that there so many kids running the streets today doing nothing and claim the excuse of homeschooling.
Home schooling has become the excuse of choice for too many parents that don't want to bother with their children and making them responsible.
These kids run the street with no ideas of even studying much less have parents that are even smart enough to have an educational clue.
Way too many parents who undertake the so called home school plan are not even high school graduates.
Put their sorry lazy butts back into a real educational environment
Thank you

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#27
Mar 7, 2008
 
Look at the statistics of home-schooled kids compared to public...It's amazing how much better home-schooled kids do as a whole...

This whole thing was triggered by Joe Tucker, superintendent of the San Juan School District, he is an a$$ who has NEVER has the best interests of kids at heart, it's all about budget.

He wants the kids in public schools so that the schools get more money.

He has nothing to contribute, however, once he gets them there. Whether they learn or not is not important to him.

Look him up in the BEE, I did a report in one of my Sociology classes on school budgets and found a TON of lawsuits against him from parents that home school their children.

Most distressing is that he managed to get it this far, as long as a child is capable of taking and passing a grade level curriculum test, there should be no problem.
Realist

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#28
Mar 7, 2008
 
This judge overstepped his authority. The government has no moral right to force parents educate their children as the government wants. If there is a problem with a child's education, then the government should have to prove that fact before the can regulate where that child attends school and who teaches him or her. I have my children in private school for a better education. However, I feel I (without credentials) could do a better job teaching two children then a public school teacher that is forced to teach 30+ kids in a classroom.

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#29
Mar 7, 2008
 
See what I mean? Follow the money.

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#30
Mar 7, 2008
 
Yes, just follow the money. For every student not in class, the school district gets less money. Less students = less money.

This is not the first government ran "business" that demands more money while giving less for each buck.

Think the US mail.
About Time

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#31
Mar 7, 2008
 
TOP wrote:
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Your comments only reveal how ignorant you are. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stick to the facts, NOT your opinion. By the way, you need to learn how to spell.
Obviously Yowza was brought up in the brain washing public school system. Give him a break, he's only repeating what was pounded into his head for 12 years
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Another Parent wrote:
Look at the statistics of home-schooled kids compared to public...It's amazing how much better home-schooled kids do as a whole...
This whole thing was triggered by Joe Tucker, superintendent of the San Juan School District, he is an a$$ who has NEVER has the best interests of kids at heart, it's all about budget.
He wants the kids in public schools so that the schools get more money.
He has nothing to contribute, however, once he gets them there. Whether they learn or not is not important to him.
Look him up in the BEE, I did a report in one of my Sociology classes on school budgets and found a TON of lawsuits against him from parents that home school their children.
Most distressing is that he managed to get it this far, as long as a child is capable of taking and passing a grade level curriculum test, there should be no problem.
Exactly!!
Ted

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#33
Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza wrote:
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
HOW STUPID YOU ARE. IDIOTIC POSTINGS LIKE THIS NEVER FAIL.
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#34
Mar 7, 2008
 
As the parent of a toddler, this concerns me. I am looking to set some stakes down. If this is not overturned, I am moving yet again. Public school is a joke. Private school is a joke. Charter schools can be hard to get in. I guess that leaves me with military schools or become a teacher.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
A parent wrote:
As the parent of a toddler, this concerns me. I am looking to set some stakes down. If this is not overturned, I am moving yet again. Public school is a joke. Private school is a joke. Charter schools can be hard to get in. I guess that leaves me with military schools or become a teacher.
It's a joke, I agree.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza wrote:
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
Yowza was not home schooled, I can tell ecause the last few years the spellin bee champion was a home schooled student.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
About Time wrote:
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Obviously Yowza was brought up in the brain washing public school system. Give him a break, he's only repeating what was pounded into his head for 12 years
Have you bothered to think that you may be brainwashed ,or in this case brain dead. Someone does't agree so they are brainwashed. That is a very limp argument

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#38
Mar 7, 2008
 
Ted wrote:
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HOW STUPID YOU ARE. IDIOTIC POSTINGS LIKE THIS NEVER FAIL.
EXCUSE ME IDIOT it seems that you are the stupid one there. An honest statement was made and all you can do is show how little you really have to contribyte to a discussion.
I challenge you to try and insert something of intelligence here. Doubt you can judging by your posting so far.
You come across as oe of these non schooled persons we are discussing.
Sounded kina kindergatenish didn't it.
" You made a point so all I can do is call you a poopie head" GROW UP
bobsdogs

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#39
Mar 7, 2008
 
lets place our children in public school so they can get molested by the teachers.

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#40
Mar 7, 2008
 
I don't believe in the judge in regards to him saying weather or not someone has a right to teach their children.

But the idea of having the parent accredited does make sense. I don't see a problem with a parent being just as educated as the child and think about it, that parent would be able to teach not only their kids about other peoples kids. Could be profitable for them.

As for the social part of it, that's debated.

Personally I'm going to send my kids to a public or private school, I'll take the risk of lower standards for the learning experince of being independent of me and others. They need their own idenity and standing over them with a stick just isn't going to get that done to me. However that might a bias comeing from a family of pretty strict parents.

Either way, parents should have the right to choose whatever education they think is best for their children.

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#41
Mar 7, 2008
 
bobsdogs wrote:
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Yowza was not home schooled, I can tell ecause the last few years the spellin bee champion was a home schooled student.
I am not going to say I am the best speller here but before you criticize someone else about their spelling be sure your's is
correct "ecause"? "spellin"? at least when questioning someones spelling at least spell spelling correctly

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#42
Mar 7, 2008
 
Dajokerman wrote:
I don't believe in the judge in regards to him saying weather or not someone has a right to teach their children.
But the idea of having the parent accredited does make sense. I don't see a problem with a parent being just as educated as the child and think about it, that parent would be able to teach not only their kids about other peoples kids. Could be profitable for them.
As for the social part of it, that's debated.
Personally I'm going to send my kids to a public or private school, I'll take the risk of lower standards for the learning experince of being independent of me and others. They need their own idenity and standing over them with a stick just isn't going to get that done to me. However that might a bias comeing from a family of pretty strict parents.
Either way, parents should have the right to choose whatever education they think is best for their children.
Best to point post yet, Thank you. I don't think most of us are completely against home schooling and neither was the judge. IMO, I think most of us agreeing with this judge only want some sort of proven knowledge base before trying to import their knowledge to another.
I know a lot about several different things but that doesn't make me knowledgeable enough about other things to try and take over the complete education of a child.
I feel that if you are not as educated as an educator you are only going to deny your child the ability to learn the most they can
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