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Second Circuit Court of Appeals

Homeschoolers Protest Court Ruling

"We are protesting against this blatant attack on parents," said a group of parents.

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#2
Mar 7, 2008
 
I agree 100% with the Governor! Many of the teachers in our public schools are already credentialed but are not providing quality education for students to be educated. There are many qualified and capable teachers doing a great job in motivating and working with students but there also are many incompetent credentialed teachers causing their students much distress in their educational experience.
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#3
Mar 7, 2008
 
Just another nail in the coffin. Hopefullly Arnold will be able to knock some sense into the idiotic judges.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza wrote:
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
Your comments only reveal how ignorant you are. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stick to the facts, NOT your opinion. By the way, you need to learn how to spell.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
I had considered removing our youngest from the clutches of Public Schools. He's ADHD and dyslexic, and the class room to which he was assigned was set up for ZOMBIES, not students. Regulations in place in that District at the time did not allow parents to have a Special Education student moved without consent of the class room teacher --- even in this case, where abuse was also taking place within the class room.

Because the kids were medication-zombies, they didn't know what was going on. Our child was NOT on medication, and it scared the crumbs out of the teacher that someone would listen to our child, except his parents. As neither of us is credentialed, who would believe us, eh?

Well, in examining the situation, we discussed a number of options. At the time, the District had an office through which we could coordinate our child's education. We looked at a number of 'correspondence' schools, as well, looking for one with the best match between our child and available curriculum. I would guess that most parents, today, contemplating home-schooling do exactly the same thing.

These days, too, there are so-called "teacher supply" houses that offer a full range of curriculum. Including "frills" that have long-since disappeared from Public Schools.

I know that, for our older kids, they could get through what was considered a "full day" of the curriculum offered at their own school in two hours or less. Given that our youngest is dyslexic, it would have taken longer, but sometimes I regret that I had taken that option, for him. I could have kept phonics in front of him year-round, instead of just during the summer, and placed a greater emphasis on turning "Can't Do" into "CAN DO".

Such matters need to remain a parent-prerogative. Like spanking, like smoking in one's own home, this is a matter of personal choice. It should NOT be a matter for government.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
I am opposed to anything that jeopardizes the freedoms of homeschoolers.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza wrote:
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
Only question I have is, then why do home schooled children do so much better in college?
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#9
Mar 7, 2008
 
it just about money, no kids in school no fed money school board members are out of a job-the schools SUCK...i don't blame parents for wanting to keep their kids home to be schooled...they do better anyway...

I VOTE FOR HOME SCHOOLING!
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza wrote:
I agree with the judge....While some of these parents may be doing pretty good, there is virtually no oversight or qualifications that these parents have. In many cases "home schooling" means no schooling....or some whacky idealogical doctrine
You must have attended public school because you can't spell.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
TOP wrote:
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Your comments only reveal how ignorant you are. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stick to the facts, NOT your opinion. By the way, you need to learn how to spell.
You are the one that needs to stick to the facts. The facts are that there so many kids running the streets today doing nothing and claim the excuse of homeschooling.
Home schooling has become the excuse of choice for too many parents that don't want to bother with their children and making them responsible.
These kids run the street with no ideas of even studying much less have parents that are even smart enough to have an educational clue.
Way too many parents who undertake the so called home school plan are not even high school graduates.
Put their sorry lazy butts back into a real educational environment
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Mar 7, 2008
 
I am speechless and outraged. How far will we allow the government to intrude into our lives before we cry "Enough!". Having raised four children who all attended both private and public schools, and witnessing the ways in which both incompetent teachers and administrators ran their particular classrooms and schools, I have encouraged my children to find the best way to educate their children, including homeschooling. Public schools are unwilling to make the legal accomodations required for special needs students, private schools do not have the funds to do the job. Schoolyards (and junior highs) are training grounds for bullies and mini-Fascists. Home schooling is the best option for ensuring that a child learns at their own speed without the negative impact of students who are in school only because it serves as cheap institutional daycare. Oh, and by the way, my whole family have been educators. All of them must be spinning in their graves...
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Mar 7, 2008
 
It's funny that this judge states that parents don't have a constitutional right to home school their children while other judges give constitutional rights to illegal aliens, terrorists, enemy combatants, etc.
It appears that this country is being run by the judicial branch.
God help us.
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#14
Mar 7, 2008
 
This ruling is complete BS. Parents have every rights to determine their children's education.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
snakemike215 wrote:
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You are the one that needs to stick to the facts. The facts are that there so many kids running the streets today doing nothing and claim the excuse of homeschooling.
Home schooling has become the excuse of choice for too many parents that don't want to bother with their children and making them responsible.
These kids run the street with no ideas of even studying much less have parents that are even smart enough to have an educational clue.
Way too many parents who undertake the so called home school plan are not even high school graduates.
Put their sorry lazy butts back into a real educational environment
I agree....I know a person who is a cop and states that kids in trouble in his city are nine times out of ten "home schooled". A teacher I know says that when they get a "home schooled" child in the public school they are a problem and don't know how to act in a real school.
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Mar 7, 2008
 
Public schools don't work! And the parents everywhere are realizing this. Too bad big brother is trying to step in in tell us that even though the school system is a total failure, we must keep our kids there or be in violation of the law. Well I say, BS! It's simply the judge trying to keep money in a dying system. As the number of children attending public schools falls, so does their funding. So now they will result to getting johnny law involved to force parents to make their children go to these schools?
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Mar 7, 2008
 
My niece was homeschooled through the 8th grade. Her grades are all A's and B's -- she is a good kid, hard worker, and able to complete projects with nearly no supervision. My sister does not have a college degree, so she used approved cirruculum and stuck to it.
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#19
Mar 7, 2008
 
Yowza,

Get your facts straight. If parents want to do "No schooling" they would send them to the Government Indoctrination station; wait, that's just what most people do. Talk about a place to learn a "Wacky ideological doctrine". How about "Heather Has Two Mommies", or a day of silence for homosexual solidarity.

Hey Snakemike,

I am always shocked at all of the big news headlines about the savage gangs of "Homeschoolers" roaming our streets. Such violence they perpetrate; what did they do to you, correct your spelling? What is our society coming to?
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Mar 7, 2008
 
hmm wrote:
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You must have attended public school because you can't spell.
TOP wrote:
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Your comments only reveal how ignorant you are. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Stick to the facts, NOT your opinion. By the way, you need to learn how to spell.
I don't think you can say that one option is better than the other. There are too many differences. It all comes down to location and quality of schools, the student, and the parents. Home schooling and public education both have advantages and disadvantages.
But insulting each other based on whether you were home schooled or not is moronic. You are not helping your cause.

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Mar 7, 2008
 
A big part of the problem, I think, is the perception that 'Home-schooled' does not include 'disciplined'. That legal options for discipline have largely been stripped out of the class rooms appears to be one of the primary reasons parents are withdrawing children from the Public Schools.

Discipline is an essential in ANY educational process.

As is socialization. For the home-schooled student, periodic visits to museums, galleries, and specialty events can compensate somewhat for the perceived isolation of the home-schooled child.

But, DISCIPLINE is an essential. Both on the part of the teacher-parent and on the part of those being schooled.

“Ah, don't listen to me. ”

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Mar 7, 2008
 
snakemike215 wrote:
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You are the one that needs to stick to the facts. The facts are that there so many kids running the streets today doing nothing and claim the excuse of homeschooling.
Home schooling has become the excuse of choice for too many parents that don't want to bother with their children and making them responsible.
These kids run the street with no ideas of even studying much less have parents that are even smart enough to have an educational clue.
Way too many parents who undertake the so called home school plan are not even high school graduates.
Put their sorry lazy butts back into a real educational environment
Dude you are off base on this. The whole reason why a parent puts up with home schooling is to take away some of what is considered education in public schools.

The other thing, have you actually checked on those kids running around? How do you know that they are kids the homeschooled ones?

I guess you think it best kids should be taught how to put condoms on cucumbers and Heather has two mommies.
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