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Gretchen
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Nick wrote: <quoted text>
I dont have an ax to grind... Nick, please, all of this incessant and ridiculous "inside-baseball" talk regarding what was and what wasn't inside the student's personnel file; how expensive the auditorium was or wasn't; whether the school administrators were or were not polite, in your opinion; and the countless other absurd statements you've cited -- all of these issues are giving everyone a headache. Give it up; nobody cares. This student is not a leader. She did not demonstrate behavior consistent with what would be expected of a mature high school student -- one who other students could genuinely look to as example-setting. She has no chance of attending a top-tier private college, because as soon as the admissions people see this matter -- as they easily can through just googling her name -- they will rightfully conclude that she does not offer the stability, maturity and respectfulness of a student who sets an example. I imagine that years from now, when all of her classmates are long gone, she'll still be at home with mom, or working in some marginal job; and you'll still be posting on this same forum with nobody left to read it.
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Nick
New Haven, CT
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One more LSMH parent wrote: <quoted text>
Ms.Niehoff NEVER wrote to Andy Thibault. She wrote a response to a letter on Thibault's website. Your so FUNNY but not informed. The response from Niehoff was in response to a letter sent to the high school. Thats right oh so upright parents letter from a person that Niehoff has never met.The letter from Niehoff was posted on thibaults site. ---------- Niehoff wrote: From: Niehoff, Karissa
To: Mike Morris
Dear Mr. Morris,
I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts about what you have read regarding the Doninger case. It sounds like you have had a rich career and feel passionately about the well-being of our entire nation.
Please understand that what you have read in the news about the case is not the complete story. As I’m sure you are aware, the news often presents a bias in its reporting, and this situation is no different.
Avery was NOT stripped of her title as junior class secretary. The Jamfest was NOT cancelled. Avery knew about the scheduling conflict with our tech specialist nearly four weeks prior to telling her classmates that rescheduling would need to occur, not four days. All of this was affirmed in court; take a look at the rulings. Avery has always been quite vocal about her opinions, which is fine, if expressed appropriately during the school day (not interrupting lessons, using vulgar language, etc.) Prior to this incident, Avery had repeatedly been warned by her class advisor to stop calling the student council advisor and members names during junior class meetings.
Thus, this was not the first incident of its kind with Avery.
Our school is extremely supportive of student ideas and encourages students to be leaders; we do whatever we can to promote their creativity and involvement in school life. However, we are also charged with teaching kids that positions of privilege, such as sport captains and student government officers, are not without responsibility. Students in those positions must demonstrate good citizenship, and our board of education policies clearly spell that out. Avery had received multiple warnings about her behaviors prior to the Jamfest issue.
I hope you find this information helpful.
Karissa Niehoff
Principal
Lewis S. Mills High School ---------- So let's everyone defend the high school principal sending a response to an individual whom she doesnt know, has never met, and at the same time gets to disparage a students conduct. Why? Because in her own words "sounds like you have had a rich career and feel passionately about the well-being of our entire nation." Now theres an educator that I want not only teaching but runnning a school. How about you defenders of the indefensible post your names and then we all can contact the school by letter identifying ourselves as an "educator" and lets see what motor mouth Clarisa has to say about your little tykes. Up for tht challege parents? By the way dont you have to approve your student file and transcipts to be discussed or sent out? Oh I guess that just doenst apply to the high school though. But then again thats official transcipts not character assasination by administrators. You have to go to Hartford to get a state commision to force the region to release billing records but all you have to do to get a response from the principal about rumors not found in a student file is to send a letter and claim to be an "educator" But then again this is the quality of region 10's hires..those that cant do teach, those that cant teach coach and those that cant do either become adminstrators. Burlinton School system where being a failure is nothing to be ashamed of...we take care of our own and they are running the BOE and the school system.
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Nick
New Haven, CT
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One more LSMH parent wrote: <quoted text>
WRONG!
Niehoff wrote to Mr. Moore whose letter was posted on Cool Justice last week. Somehow Andy got hold of it. READ it and see to whom it was addressed! So its standard procedure of region 10 for school principals to email blogs on the interent concerning specific conduct issues of a specific student but its not standard procedure to follow freedom of information requests about what the region is being billed for legal fees? Is it also standard procedure for administrators to tell their adult 36 year old son to "troll" the internet to "see what students are up to"? That about sum it up?
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Nick
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One more LSMH parent wrote: <quoted text>
At any rate he is part of the fury with the district.
Ms.Niehoff NEVER wrote to Andy Thibault. She wrote a response to a letter on Thibault's website.
This person acts like such a know it all and comes across as someone who was never a great student. Can't read and sounds like one who NEVER listens---only to himself! Fury with the school district? Such as: FOI requests that the region has to be dragged to Hartford to comply with. Legal bills that were refused to see the light of day. Principals responding to Blogs about the unsubstantiated "facts" about a specific students conduct? A BOE that thinks the way to handle hearings about the superintendant is to call a 15 minute meeting on a Monday at 1:00PM You mean that fury? Niehoff never wrote to Thibalut she just responded to a letter she saw on an internet site. Now what possible problem could that be. Doninger calls the administrators a douchbag on a blog and the fury of hell comes down upon her. But Niehoff who has no legal standing to discuss anything about a specific student with anyone other than their parents about conduct writes an open letter to a blog..but of course thats a good thing isnt it? You have to love a school system where calling the supedrintendant gets you a citizenship award. So which one is correct douchbag or "dirty wh*re"? I guess the award says it all doesnt it?
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Nick
New Haven, CT
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One more LSMH parent wrote: <quoted text>
Does anyone think for one second that Ms. Niehoff intended for the letter to be posted on the world wide web for all to see? Perhaps it was a trap set by the Avery supporters so they could use it against Ms. Niehoff in the future. She responded to a letter on an internet blog. The letter had no return adress so the only way to respond was to send a post or email to the original site. And you claim this was a "trap" set by supporters? DID they sneak masked under the cover of darkness into the principals office, drug her and then under the influence force her to compose the reply and threaten her dog with bodily harm unless the enter key was hit? Yeah sure- ---------- One more LSMH parent wrote: In response to those posters who talk about criticizing teachers online, there is a website where students anonomysly trash teachers. Somehow, that website is allowed to continue without legal recourse for the teachers. Teachers have tenure and union contracts with benifits for life and garunteed raises. Now they need to be shielded fromthe rantings of students on an internet site. Why doesnt the town simply pledge kidneys and livers for the trachers too in case they ever need them. When was the exact moment in time they stopped teaching kids "stick and stones will break my bones..but words will never harm me"? Or it the moment the teachers and administrators forgot it?
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One more LSMH parent
Meriden, CT
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I'm not going to resort to name calling, but you come across as bitter and angry.
My point about the letter is that she didn't intend for the world to read it, and it probably can be used against her in the future. I even said that the man was a complete stranger and I questioned the wisdom of writing to him.
Since Andy Thibault posted the original letter and Ms. Niehoff's response on his website, I figure he has a hand in this and judging from his website, he has no good wishes for Ms. Niehoff.
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andy thibault
Litchfield, CT
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Is The Principal Prepared To Reap What She Sows? http://cooljustice.blogspot.com/2008/06/is-pr...
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One more LSMH parent
Meriden, CT
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Having seen the letter, can you actually trace it back to her?
Her signature doesn't appear, so how do you know for sure that it was really Ms. Niehoff and not some other frustrated Region 10 employee who may have written it?
In cyberspace anyone can be anyone and say anything. Heck, on this posting thread, ANYONE could have entered the names Paula Schwartz or Karissa Niehoff and posted as one or the other of them without their knowledge.
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Concerned American
Glen Cove, NY
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willy lump lump wrote: Typical today's teenager. If she had been taught some respect at home, this wouldn't have happened. In my day a trip to the woodshed would have solved the problem. Would that have been a trip to the woodshed with Bubba?
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Concerned American
Glen Cove, NY
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Jerry wrote: What a team mother and daughter. Honey it is ok if you call people at the school douchebags, of course that is if they don't do what you want them to do. And if they cause you aproblem I will get a lawyer and we will take them to court, so don't you worry say whatever you want about anyone. Hey Douchebag, it might not be right to call members of the school admin douchebags but it is her right as an American citizen of this FREE country ,to do so. Go move to China if you don't approve of freedoms.
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Concerned American
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Laura wrote: According to the precedent relied on, describing school administrators with a term that's essentially the equivalent of "jerks" and calling on fellow students to complain to the administration is now in the same class as a web posting that says "shoot this teacher." If the Second Circuit can't find a reasonable distinction between those two types of speech, then what they've pretty much said is that you don't earn First Amendment rights til you graduate from high school. Until then ANYTHING a student says WHERE EVER he or she says it is potentially disruptive and can be sanctioned.
Not a good day for freedom of thought. Laura, What I'm affraid of is that these students are our future leaders and are being taught that rights do not have much value.
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Concerned American
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Idiots wrote: If Amy thinks she could take a page out in the NY Times and call her employers a douchebag without some repercussions, despite her 'freedom of speech', she is mistaken. That is the equivalent of what she did on the internet.
This wasn't a lesson about freedom of speech, it was a lesson about what is inappropriate behavior and character. Would any organization want an officer of that organization publishing poorly about it behind their backs regardless of this thing she calls freedom of speech?
There are times when our freedom of speech has to be absolutely guarded, for the freedom to express our ideas and thoughts. Calling your superiors childish names isn't one of them, nor does it show the character of an officer, hence why she wasn't allowed to be the class secretary.
Kids have to learn the age of the internet does not remove or lower the bar to character, decency, and respect. In teaching classes, one of the lessons I conduct for job seekers is to get rid of the typical MySpace accounts, all the silly email addresses, and all the party pictures people can see you in. If people don't consider that employers are using the internet to check out applicants and judge character (yes maybe incorrectly), they're very naive.
But unfortunately, here, I'm not sure Amy has learned anything but how to whine about something and not acknowledge her mistake. It might be a lesson to show parents that the state has more control over their children then parents do.
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Nick
New Haven, CT
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One more LSMH parent wrote: Having seen the letter, can you actually trace it back to her?
Her signature doesn't appear, so how do you know for sure that it was really Ms. Niehoff and not some other frustrated Region 10 employee who may have written it?
In cyberspace anyone can be anyone and say anything. Heck, on this posting thread, ANYONE could have entered the names Paula Schwartz or Karissa Niehoff and posted as one or the other of them without their knowledge. I agree completly that verification is needed as to the legitamacy of this letter. I think Andy should post on his blog and on this where, how, and where this originated from. Then let the discussion continue from that point.
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terry
New Haven, CT
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Nick wrote: <quoted text>
I agree completly that verification is needed as to the legitamacy of this letter.
I think Andy should post on his blog and on this where, how, and where this originated from.
Then let the discussion continue from that point. Nick- you just keep repeating yourself - I just skim your postings as they are redundant - you have never refuted that you are closely related to the boy at Consolidated probably now at Har-Bur - I hope he understands the computer usage rules now as they do have to sign an agreement. Lesson learned - turn your energy into something useful rather than beating a dead horse - I hope your kids have more sense as they progress throught the school system and become young adults in high school, more than Avery, that is.
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Mary H
Ashford, CT
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Nick wrote: <quoted text>
Either you dont understand the federal court system or think that people shouldnt use it.
Its not uncommon in federal court for decisions to be over turned.
The reversal rate in the district out west is over 60%.
I like your idea of twisting facts.
Is it your postition that parents
making phone calls to the superintedant disruptive?
Is it your postion that parents inquiring to those that run the school about why personel are not available after the district spent over 25 million?
So to recap your position.
Parents calling the superintendant is disruptive.
Students telling other student to have their parents contact the superintedant is disrutpitve.
The BOE and adminstrators dont have to follow FOI rules.
And parents who dont like this should just go away and not use the courts to enforce laws?
I have this right? A parent calling the superintendent is not disruptive. However, a student inciting as many as possible to call and email school administrators to "piss them off" (her words) when there are other options open for resolving the dispute was considered disruptive by the court because it interfered with the administrators' ability to perform their normal functions and undermined their legitimate authority.
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Mary H
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Concerned American wrote: <quoted text>
It might be a lesson to show parents that the state has more control over their children then parents do. Unfortunately, some parents refuse to control their children.
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Mary H
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Concerned American wrote: <quoted text>
Hey Douchebag, it might not be right to call members of the school admin douchebags but it is her right as an American citizen of this FREE country ,to do so. Go move to China if you don't approve of freedoms. Two courts have decided it is NOT her right to do what she did.
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One more LSMH parent
Meriden, CT
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Nick wrote: <quoted text>
I agree completly that verification is needed as to the legitamacy of this letter.
I think Andy should post on his blog and on this where, how, and where this originated from.
Then let the discussion continue from that point. CAR 54 WHERE ARE YOU? aka ANDY?
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andy thibault
Litchfield, CT
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IT QUACKS LIKE A DOUCHE BAG BURLINGTON, CT – Is the Karissa Niehoff letter, sent to Midwestern educator Mike Morris, the real deal? http://cooljustice.blogspot.com/2008/06/it-qu...
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Nick
Prospect, CT
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terry wrote: <quoted text>
Nick- you just keep repeating yourself - I just skim your postings as they are redundant - you have never refuted that you are closely related to the boy at Consolidated probably now at Har-Bur - I hope he understands the computer usage rules now as they do have to sign an agreement. Lesson learned - turn your energy into something useful rather than beating a dead horse - I hope your kids have more sense as they progress throught the school system and become young adults in high school, more than Avery, that is. Ok I refute it. I have no relationship to that family. Happy?
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