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Kosam
Waverly, NY
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Nate Blake wrote: <quoted text>
you're on crack That would be your first impression.
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guardian
Kailua, HI
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When the appeals court decided to overturn the Bill because it "stepped on federal authority", are they talking about the same federal authority that decided to wire-tap public citizens without acquiring warrants, embroiling us in a senseless war by KNOWINGLY lying to congress & the American Public, enabling Pharmaceutical companies & corporate HMOs to "screw" the Middle & Lower socioeconomic classes??? If it is, then screw the federal authority which again shows that they do as little as possible for the average American citizen!
If McCain gets in, he'll carry on just where George Bush & his Neo-Con Republicn cronies left off; driving this country "into the ground" so that his wealthy friends can continue to profiteer & plunder indiscriminately.
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Don Joe
Minneapolis, MN
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just had lunch wrote: <quoted text>
bob, if you were any dumber you'd have to be watered twice a week.
how you can blame this on bush and reagan defies even an iota of intelligence.
lemme guess, you're an obama supporter...
you're definately smart enough. We should never blame Bush nor Reagan for what they do. Why if anyone did that we should insult them. We should not even consider that Bush/Reagan appointed most of these USSC ideologs for this kind of purpose. We should just close our eyes, tap our shoes together and say, "There's no place like home, There's no place like home, There's no place like home."
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“Reality is better than truth”
Joined: Jun 28, 2007
Comments: 20821
Indianapolis
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You think having a drink before getting on the plane is a necessity? Only if you are a diabetic or severely dehydrated. The push for this came from the passengers who kept bringing hard liquor onto the plane and then getting drunk and belligerent. It's their plane; they can determine whether you stay on it or not. Actually, federal drug laws do provide for medicinal use of otherwise illegal drugs--are you aware that cocaine is sometimes used as an anesthetic? States do NOT have the authority to override federal laws, and it is not in the constitution that they can do so. Interstate commerce has always been the province of the federal government simply because allowing every state to have conflicting laws would make air traffic impossible. 2nd-Ammendment wrote: this is a load of crap. Again I say, its all aout the money.
Airline have been getting laws passed in there favor for years, its big bussiness.
Think they outlawed foor and drink behind the check point for safety? go through the check point and you can buy a soda, that is allowed on the plane. It cost you $3 buy hey, its not price gauging, its not a necessity, neither is water or food. By there thinking you wont be on the plane that long. YOU DONT NEED IT! Ever been stuck in a plane for 30 hours? Try it sometime, you will love the smell.
Federal law my butt. California says pot for medical use is ok, that is contrary to federal law. Yes I know you can still be procecuted in a federal court. That is not the point here. Point is that states do have the right to adjust the laws. They always have been, it is in the Constitution. Read it sometime, you will love it.
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“Reality is better than truth”
Joined: Jun 28, 2007
Comments: 20821
Indianapolis
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Indianapolis, IN
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Yes, it was a reaction to A planeload. One case. Not a sustained problem, but one over-the-top example. Bad laws are always based on single cases. Personally, I'm all for allowing passengers to deplane when they feel it necessary, as long as they go back through security and don't delay the actual takeoff. If you miss the plane while exercising your right to leave it, too bad. Airlines stay in business because people need to travel and gas prices now make it cheaper than ever, comparatively. The problem is that everyone wants to be treated like a princess. Uh Clem wrote: It says a lot about the airlines, in that a law mandating basic humane treatment of passengers was deemed necessary in the first place.
Remember, this law was a response to a planeload of passengers being trapped on the ground for half a day without basic necessities.
The airlines are terrible these days. I was dumped off at an airport after the first leg of a 'one-stop' flight. Turns out, because the flight left it's starting point way late, they cancelled the second half of the trip EVEN THOUGH they knew that before we took off. So all us passengers who thought we'd be home in a couple hours were left in a dark and deserted terminal at midnight - ALL night, with no ticket agents, no hotels with available rooms, no place to get a meal, and not even an apology.
I've also been trapped on a parked plane, with no air, in mid summer and stifling hot, not even a drink of water available, for several hours. It wouldn't kill them to deplane when they know damn well the flights not going anywhere. It's just inconvenient (for them!) to do so.
Air travel has turned into an unpleasant experience all the way around. It's a wonder any of them stay in business.
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“Reality is better than truth”
Joined: Jun 28, 2007
Comments: 20821
Indianapolis
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Indianapolis, IN
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Take a train. Take a boat. Drive. Leave the driving to Greyhound. You aren't "at the mercy of the airlines." Sherry wrote: Hopefully customers will stand up for their rights. Within the last couple of weeks, I had 3 separate family members who flew internationally. All 3 had a terrible experience. People can always file complaints at sites like, http://www.iripoff.com and other online consumer sites. Hopefully after everyone hears of horror stories, Airlines will be forced to make changes. Until then, I guess were at the Mercy of these airlines? <quoted text>
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“IBM had it right: "Think"”
Joined: Mar 15, 2007
Comments: 2456
SF Bay Area Suburbs
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San Francisco, CA
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If this kidnapping-by-airline ever happens to me, I'm leading a passenger revolution. Inform the flight crew that we are Opening the emergency exits and self-evacuating from a dangerous situation if they don't get us back to the terminal.
A few passenger revolts, and the airlines will cut the crap and treat their customers with respect.
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“We're all bozos on this bus”
Joined: Jan 23, 2007
Comments: 4681
It's hotter'n Hell in Heater
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Indianapolis, IN
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Cpetr13 wrote: Yes, it was a reaction to A planeload. One case. Not a sustained problem, but one over-the-top example. Bad laws are always based on single cases.
Personally, I'm all for allowing passengers to deplane when they feel it necessary, as long as they go back through security and don't delay the actual takeoff. If you miss the plane while exercising your right to leave it, too bad.
Airlines stay in business because people need to travel and gas prices now make it cheaper than ever, comparatively. The problem is that everyone wants to be treated like a princess.
<quoted text> Hold on thar. One case TRIGGERED the law. Last straw. Camel. Back. You know the drill. This happens ALL the time. Don't pretend it was a one-time occurance. There's a HUGE difference between not being allowed to deplane when you 'just want to' and not being allowed to deplane if and when the aircraft will not get off the ground for 3 hours, 5 hours, 10 hours or more. And when the toilets are overflowing, the air is fouled because they must turn off the engines while holding, and so on, keeping people held against their will is just wrong. I've been on aircraft that had mechanical problems and there was absolutely no problem getting people off and back on in those cases. It's just that the airlines want to keep their seats full and they'll go as far as holding us hostage to do it. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's time there was legal remedy to prevent this sort of abuse.
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Jerry H
Stroudsburg, PA
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The people out here who are happy about this down turn, I hope you remember this the next time your on the tarmac for 4 hrs while they wait for the storm to pass, Is it so hard to return to the gate and wait there for the storm to pass? Why in the world do thet have be daisy chained and wait there on the Tarmac makes no sence to me, It seems that the airlines would have to pay someone else to go get and park the planes instead of letting them sit there on the wait line is just plain smart to me, if you make your customers happy they will return...
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kab
Haymarket, VA
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You moron!!! You represent the logic, or rather lack of logic of the airline industry. You plan for emergency, and have some food onboard. We were stuck for 3 hours with a toddler sitting on a runway waiting for who knows what. We were not allowed to bring any food or drink on board. The attendends were making brownies for the first class, and yes, the whole airplane smelled it, but was tortured hungry with just that smell.
But if they hire morons like you, there is no hope
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Just had breakfast
Melbourne, FL
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just had lunch wrote: <quoted text>
bob, if you were any dumber you'd have to be watered twice a week.
how you can blame this on bush and reagan defies even an iota of intelligence.
lemme guess, you're an obama supporter...
you're definately smart enough. JHL, Normally I am nothing but a reader on this forum, but I have to applaud and congratulate you for being such an astute observer. As I was reading Bob's comments, I was thinking along the same lines as your post only to read your post a minute later. Brilliant!
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Say the Truth
Oreland, PA
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kab wrote: You moron!!! You represent the logic, or rather lack of logic of the airline industry. You plan for emergency, and have some food onboard. We were stuck for 3 hours with a toddler sitting on a runway waiting for who knows what. We were not allowed to bring any food or drink on board. The attendends were making brownies for the first class, and yes, the whole airplane smelled it, but was tortured hungry with just that smell.
But if they hire morons like you, there is no hope 1) Why did you bring a toddler on an airplane? Do us all a favor and drive or get a babysitter. 2) Not allowed to bring food/water onboard? You're making that up. 3)'Tortured' by the smell of brownines? You must need a seatbelt extension.
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Fact
Bensalem, PA
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newanarchy wrote: <quoted text>
Did she refuse to send it to the floor because she knew it couldn't withstand a court challenge? Why waste time voting on something if it won't stand up in court. Nancy is too stupid to think, because of her Al-Qaida can now phone thier terrorist here in the USA without the Goverment being able to listen.Tell the victims famalies of 911 why we should protect the rights of terrorist and not Americans.If she costs one American life because she is stupid I hope it is yours.
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Just had breakfast
Melbourne, FL
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kab wrote: You moron!!! You represent the logic, or rather lack of logic of the airline industry. You plan for emergency, and have some food onboard. We were stuck for 3 hours with a toddler sitting on a runway waiting for who knows what. We were not allowed to bring any food or drink on board. The attendends were making brownies for the first class, and yes, the whole airplane smelled it, but was tortured hungry with just that smell.
But if they hire morons like you, there is no hope You say you could not bring food on board. Mmmm a new FAA regulation. I have many a times brought food on board,I Actually a whole McDonalds meal (Healthy Healthy) including fdrink... very visibly on top of that. Not a problem there. I guess it is about preparedness. Then again, when I get to fy first class , that problem doesn't present itself.(Al hail to the $800 brownie)
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“Reality is better than truth”
Joined: Jun 28, 2007
Comments: 20821
Indianapolis
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Feel free to do so at 3500 feet. Actually, you can't just drop out of an airliner when it is on the ground without serious risk of breaking bones. But feel free to try. Gary47 wrote: If this kidnapping-by-airline ever happens to me, I'm leading a passenger revolution. Inform the flight crew that we are Opening the emergency exits and self-evacuating from a dangerous situation if they don't get us back to the terminal.
A few passenger revolts, and the airlines will cut the crap and treat their customers with respect.
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Good Old Days
Lavon, TX
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av8rdawg wrote: <quoted text>
Today you can fly coast to coast on an airliner for about 1/4 what it would cost you to drive it in your car, including $2.90;whoops $3.30; a gallon for gas, motel stays, food, and wear and tear on your car. And yet the consumer still complains that the airlines are taking advantage of them. Meanwhile, airline employees, on average, are making 18% less today than they were 12 years ago and working harder than ever.Oh,and the 14 days off per month that I have ='s 16 to 17 days on the road;no sleeping in my own bed;no eating dinner with the family;No Christmas with the family until our Fake one on Dec.28th.
17 days gone x 24 hours a day = 408 hours per month. The Empoyees feel you Pain as well and yet most of the time still do an outstanding job.So if you think air travel is a rip-off, then throw your bags into the trunk of your car and drive, and see what that costs you in money and time. Air travelers are getting the deal of the century right now. Airlines don't serve food any more because they have to compete with other airlines, who also don't serve food. What it boils down to is that the consumer has stated very clearly that what they want most is dirt-cheap tickets, not food or good service.Because there are still thousands of the worlds best trained pilots right here in the U.S.A. the public will continue to get the safest flight possible for almost nothing! So you got exactly what you asked for,a fast and SAFEST mode of transportion available; so PLEASE stop complaining. The public did nothing but complain and make jokes about the airline food, anyway - and now you're complaining because it's gone? Fuel prices have skyrocketed in the last 12 years,(20 cents per gallon to 3.05 per gallon) as everyone knows ;oh and a flight from ATL to LAX burns over 4000 gallons of jet fuel on the newest fuel efficient 737's).
You do the math($12,000(4000 x 3.05) divided by 137 people on a full flight =$87.59 each way; just in fuel; not counting the cost of a 50,000,000.00(50 million) dollar airplane; the 1 million dollar gate(Yes the Airport gets it's $$$) and all the professional people it takes to fly them.Yet a ticket from Atlanta to Los Angeles is cheaper today than it was 12 years ago. So what are you all complaining about? That's right, I'm an airline employee. I'm quitting;started my own business 2 years ago; because I can no longer support my family on the meager wages I make in the airlines after being forced to take two enormous pay cuts in the last 3 years.I'm one of the lucky one's.Oh'and when I travel in the future; I will be gratful and thrilled to pay whatever the Fare is. Some day soon, the free lunch will be over for air travelers, and they will have to pay a fair price for a plane ticket. And if you don't like it, then you can drive your gas-guzzling car or take the train or bus every time you travel. And by the way,how many times do you stop on a 3-4 hour car ride to eat or use the restroom? Try to do this before you get on the Airplane!!!When I was a child;My Mama always used to ask before a trip....Well you get the picture. Plan Ahead!!!! Many times the passengers, not the airline employees, who are rude. I know this because I Fly you every day; Please the job is tough enough.I believe that those people that were stranded on Jet Blue have made more than enough noise;hurting every Airline not just JetBlue!Just Don't give them your business next time. ALL Airlines are not created equal!!!Most do C.A.R.E.(Customers Are Reasons to Excel).This will continue to be my Moto for you the Airline customer for 6 more months. What airline are you the CEO of ?
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Joe C
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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I think the hostility-fest oozing from this airline employee says about all you need to hear regarding bad service and poor attitudes from these people. God, you'd think he was beaten over the head and forced to work for an airline. I think he waited way too many years to quit and start his own business. Customer relations consultant perhaps? av8rdawg wrote: <quoted text>
Today you can fly coast to coast on an airliner for about 1/4 what it would cost you to drive it in your car, including $2.90;whoops $3.30; a gallon for gas, motel stays, food, and wear and tear on your car. And yet the consumer still complains that the airlines are taking advantage of them. Meanwhile, airline employees, on average, are making 18% less today than they were 12 years ago and working harder than ever.Oh,and the 14 days off per month that I have ='s 16 to 17 days on the road;no sleeping in my own bed;no eating dinner with the family;No Christmas with the family until our Fake one on Dec.28th.
17 days gone x 24 hours a day = 408 hours per month. The Empoyees feel you Pain as well and yet most of the time still do an outstanding job.So if you think air travel is a rip-off, then throw your bags into the trunk of your car and drive, and see what that costs you in money and time. Air travelers are getting the deal of the century right now. Airlines don't serve food any more because they have to compete with other airlines, who also don't serve food. What it boils down to is that the consumer has stated very clearly that what they want most is dirt-cheap tickets, not food or good service.Because there are still thousands of the worlds best trained pilots right here in the U.S.A. the public will continue to get the safest flight possible for almost nothing! So you got exactly what you asked for,a fast and SAFEST mode of transportion available; so PLEASE stop complaining. The public did nothing but complain and make jokes about the airline food, anyway - and now you're complaining because it's gone? Fuel prices have skyrocketed in the last 12 years,(20 cents per gallon to 3.05 per gallon) as everyone knows ;oh and a flight from ATL to LAX burns over 4000 gallons of jet fuel on the newest fuel efficient 737's).
You do the math($12,000(4000 x 3.05) divided by 137 people on a full flight =$87.59 each way; just in fuel; not counting the cost of a 50,000,000.00(50 million) dollar airplane; the 1 million dollar gate(Yes the Airport gets it's $$$) and all the professional people it takes to fly them.Yet a ticket from Atlanta to Los Angeles is cheaper today than it was 12 years ago. So what are you all complaining about? That's right, I'm an airline employee. I'm quitting;started my own business 2 years ago; because I can no longer support my family on the meager wages I make in the airlines after being forced to take two enormous pay cuts in the last 3 years.I'm one of the lucky one's.Oh'and when I travel in the future; I will be gratful and thrilled to pay whatever the Fare is. Some day soon, the free lunch will be over for air travelers, and they will have to pay a fair price for a plane ticket. And if you don't like it, then you can drive your gas-guzzling car or take the train or bus every time you travel. And by the way,how many times do you stop on a 3-4 hour car ride to eat or use the restroom? Try to do this before you get on the Airplane!!!When I was a child;My Mama always used to ask before a trip....Well you get the picture. Plan Ahead!!!! Many times the passengers, not the airline employees, who are rude. I know this because I Fly you every day; Please the job is tough enough.I believe that those people that were stranded on Jet Blue have made more than enough noise;hurting every Airline not just JetBlue!Just Don't give them your business next time. ALL Airlines are not created equal!!!Most do C.A.R.E.(Customers Are Reasons to Excel).This will continue to be my Moto for you the Airline customer for 6 more months.
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Joined: Jul 17, 2007
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Wyoming
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Fact wrote: <quoted text> Nancy is too stupid to think, because of her Al-Qaida can now phone thier terrorist here in the USA without the Goverment being able to listen.Tell the victims famalies of 911 why we should protect the rights of terrorist and not Americans.If she costs one American life because she is stupid I hope it is yours. Better question to ask you is - why haven't we protected the rights of Americans even after 9/11 while we are producing and hardly stopping Al Quaeda with all the inept actions perpetrated so far by an essentially Republican administration? You my friend believe far too many lies - proven lies while still insisting not to think. It is not because of Nancy it is because of people like you. Hopefully it is because of people like Nancy we can still protect the rights of American citizens while taking "effective" actions that don't violate those rights. And in line with the topic - we can provide for the needs of the helpless victim called an airline traveler in this country "and" hold the airlines responsible for their actions in that lack of care they are getting so famous for. Call it consumer protection. If it requires a federal law - then pass a federal law, or enforce the laws we haven't held the airlines accountable for because they said they could handle it without active regulation. They have proved they can't.
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“There's always 2012”
Joined: Nov 6, 2007
Comments: 2611
Salt Lake City, UT
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Amazing. It could have gone either way, either for the customer or for the company with its million dollar lawyers, but somehow it went to the side with the million dollar lawyers. Who could have guessed that one? The Airlines are models of inefficiency, and yet since they are the ones who have the money, they get their way. Even the aircraft manufacturers lose out to them.
Remember the DC-10? I flew on one on more than one occasion and loved it. They are great wide bodied aircraft. But they had a couple of crashes and got a bad reputation. On one crash, the one where one of the engines on the wing fell off, the cause was the airline's faulty maintenance. They were using a forklift to hold the replacement engine in place, which was against procedures. The forklift ran out of gas and the engine dropped a short distance unexpectedly, cracking the mount. Then under load, the mount broke. Who took the hit for that one? The manufacturer, not the airline because the manufacturer would rather not lose the customer.
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johanson
Portland, OR
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Gary47 wrote: If this kidnapping-by-airline ever happens to me, I'm leading a passenger revolution. Inform the flight crew that we are Opening the emergency exits and self-evacuating from a dangerous situation if they don't get us back to the terminal.
A few passenger revolts, and the airlines will cut the crap and treat their customers with respect. I would join you!
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