Report faults FAA over maintenance outsourcing

It has not saved Northwest a dime by outsourceing. Cost have gone up a lot due to their lockout and forced strike of their own loyal aircraft technicians a couple of years ago.

And didnt save any money at Ual but MAYBE thats why jack brace is getting 2.4 in servance pay. Maybe its time to federal justice about APLA,IAM AND SO THEY HAVE SEATS ON stock share holders borad.The mechanic was in esop but dont have a seat on share holding board. I feel this should be look into do to the RICO LAW.

Farming out maintenance just isn't working. The Faa just issued a new AD for a 320's and bombardier CRJ's. I seems today's farmed out mechanics can't even latch engines cowls correctly. Now they will have to make a log book entry when ever the fan cowls been opened. And a double sign after close. In the old days, these cowl latches were inspected for proper tension and cowl gap. Guess that's not getting done anymore. One day cheap is going too get very expensive. And we will have nwa's andy roberts to thank for this.

Morgan wrote:

It has not saved Northwest a dime by outsourceing. Cost have gone up a lot due to their lockout and forced strike of their own loyal aircraft technicians a couple of years ago.

It has been shown on this forum that NWA saves about $200 million a year by outsourcing maintenance. Whether the maintenance is better or worse is another story, but NWA has one of the best on-time and completion rates in the industry.

Old NWA Guy wrote:

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It has been shown on this forum that NWA saves about $200 million a year by outsourcing maintenance. Whether the maintenance is better or worse is another story, but NWA has one of the best on-time and completion rates in the industry.

Your a liar..SCABAIR by THEIR own reports say maintenance costs have increased

Spade a Spade wrote:

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Your a liar..SCABAIR by THEIR own reports say maintenance costs have increased

NWA has never said maintenance costs have increased because they haven't. The costs have GONE DOWN by roughly $200 million. That has been verified on here many times that the TOTAL cost of maintenance outsourcing, plus current costs, plus maintenance salaries are $200 million less.

I will bet you will refuse to prove your stupid allegation, that the costs have gone up. Spade everything you say is getting more laughable.

watchdog wrote:

And didnt save any money at Ual but MAYBE thats why jack brace is getting 2.4 in servance pay. Maybe its time to federal justice about APLA,IAM AND SO THEY HAVE SEATS ON stock share holders borad.The mechanic was in esop but dont have a seat on share holding board. I feel this should be look into do to the RICO LAW.

It didn't save money at UAL only because of how UAL operated the outsourcing. Keep in mind, UAL only outsourced some of the maintenance operation, the parts and logistics, which was and is astronomical, was never touched. As for the actual maintenance, they padded the ranks with management positions that didn't even exist to create jobs. Good for some, but certainly not the bottom line, which went into the red.

not a fine wine wrote:

Farming out maintenance just isn't working. The Faa just issued a new AD for a 320's and bombardier CRJ's. I seems today's farmed out mechanics can't even latch engines cowls correctly. Now they will have to make a log book entry when ever the fan cowls been opened. And a double sign after close. In the old days, these cowl latches were inspected for proper tension and cowl gap. Guess that's not getting done anymore. One day cheap is going too get very expensive. And we will have nwa's andy roberts to thank for this.

A l/p entry, a dbl sign off and no common sense. Now that is what I call dumbing down.

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A l/p entry, a dbl sign off and no common sense. Now that is what I call dumbing down.

Would you care to elaborate on this?
The report says Nine Major Airlines. I suppose the union carriers have stellar records. You again cloud the fact that your group makes these mistakes too.

Oops, almost forgot. You are god's gift to the airlines. They just can't make it without you. Can we count the last three years since your failed strike though? No planes have "fallen out of the sky" which you all proudly predicted.

Get over it man, you really need a life.

No actually the cost of aircraft repair work and line maintenance operations have exceeded 57% of their previous cost and are still riseing. No money was ever saved from that mis handeled ilegal lockout that forced our technicians at Northwest to rightfully strike after they were locked out.

Randy wrote:

No actually the cost of aircraft repair work and line maintenance operations have exceeded 57% of their previous cost and are still riseing. No money was ever saved from that mis handeled ilegal lockout that forced our technicians at Northwest to rightfully strike after they were locked out.

I will bet you can't prove that, because it is not true. That is a fiction promoted on this forum. It is also fiction that the mechanics were locked out

CHRIS
WHO IN HELL YOU ARE TALKING to I had 24 years of senerioty which I gave to the dam company.the reason they went int the red of piss poor mangerment who only hires more dumb employees. which there friends are you one of them.my 24 years on front line. i saved them billions dollars so how much did you lose making bad dmistakes and gambleing let make a deal hug a tree mission united and list goes on.

Chris
SOME MY butt! all b747, b777, a320, b737 which they retired. I recall b777 left hong kong with a lower E& E fire after completing a C check and this is a FAA INCIDENT DO YOU WANT to chanllege this please do so. because i know the trueth here.

watchdog wrote:

Chris
SOME MY butt! all b747, b777, a320, b737 which they retired. I recall b777 left hong kong with a lower E& E fire after completing a C check and this is a FAA INCIDENT DO YOU WANT to chanllege this please do so. because i know the trueth here.

In 2000, UA conducted a fiscal study to analyze maintenance operations. The findings showed UA could outsource "some" actual HMV's to vendors. UA agreed and acted on it. The study also stressed that UA could outsource it's parts and logistics operation and save a massive amount of dollars. UA chose not to.. Further studies showed that if UA was determined on keeping it's parts people "in house", they could cut some costs by allowing vendors (HMV's) and mechanics (UAL) to order and receive many parts directly, thus cutting the parts operation. They also refused, since this would require a reduction in parts employees due to layoffs being forthcoming. This was years ago, and since then my contacts continually tell me that "yes" UA is sending more to OSV and "yes" they are not saving much money doing it. When a vendor states they'll work on your aircraft and you agree, that means you need to send only a handful of UA representatives to work with the vendor. UA employed "massive" amounts of people in all facets to "work" with the vendors. To the point that the much of the money they saved, was spent on "reps".. I worked with UA as a consultant and I was shocked at the waste. You would think it was the federal government, not a public corporation. One of the worst I have ever seen and I've seen hundreds.

Old NWA Guy wrote:

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I will bet you can't prove that, because it is not true. That is a fiction promoted on this forum. It is also fiction that the mechanics were locked out

Listen you old bastard I will tell you once and for all.. When a company spends over a million dollars and a yr and a half training replacement mechanics what does that tell you? Yeah AMFA technically called a strike but that was their mistake. It was a lockout and AMFA should have let the company play it out it would have made it better for us atleast we could have collected unemployment which some of us did after the fact. The company wanted us GONE how many times do I have to say that to your dumbass?

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Listen you old bastard I will tell you once and for all.. When a company spends over a million dollars and a yr and a half training replacement mechanics what does that tell you? Yeah AMFA technically called a strike but that was their mistake. It was a lockout and AMFA should have let the company play it out it would have made it better for us atleast we could have collected unemployment which some of us did after the fact. The company wanted us GONE how many times do I have to say that to your dumbass?

It tells you that your AMFA was a joke. You saw what was coming yet you could have saved some jobs. But as usual, lets burn the house down.
You voted to strike. The company took its option which was legal by the way. So just take it as a lesson for the future.

The company wanted to outsource heavy maintenance because the productivity was for shet. Line maint would have remained. But no, you wanted to strike. So there it is, yet we still hear the bitching day in and day out.

Former Lineguy wrote:

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Listen you old bastard I will tell you once and for all.. When a company spends over a million dollars and a yr and a half training replacement mechanics what does that tell you? Yeah AMFA technically called a strike but that was their mistake. It was a lockout and AMFA should have let the company play it out it would have made it better for us atleast we could have collected unemployment which some of us did after the fact. The company wanted us GONE how many times do I have to say that to your dumbass?

Your post is laughable and you can't prove any part of it except for the part of AMFA members calling a strike. The rest is pure fiction.

Old NWA Guy wrote:

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Your post is laughable and you can't prove any part of it except for the part of AMFA members calling a strike. The rest is pure fiction.

Prove him wrong with your facts!.. As usual all talk and no backing..

Spade a Spade wrote:

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Prove him wrong with your facts!.. As usual all talk and no backing..

No I will let the malcontents prove the statement they made. It will give them a feeling of self worth when they do. That will happen when the Pope turns Baptist.

Old NWA Guy wrote:

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No I will let the malcontents prove the statement they made. It will give them a feeling of self worth when they do. That will happen when the Pope turns Baptist.

"Will let" You definently hve control issues. He has proven right and as usual your all talk and go on and on not being able to prove wrong..