Bid to ban night flights over Valley to Burbank getting bumpy

While you're at it, shut down those noisy freeways too.

Bob wrote:

While you're at it, shut down those noisy freeways too.

must be awfully loud is you're hearing that way over in Reno.
I say, keep the planes going, but put the effort into nullifying gangs.

There's an airport near my house? Wow. These planes have to land somewhere so this "plan" will just push one community's problem onto another - will it be Van Nuys, LAX, Ontario? Or will we just lose the flights entirely along with the jobs, commerce and goods that are on them?

telepathic noises wrote:

<quoted text>must be awfully loud is you're hearing that way over in Reno.
I say, keep the planes going, but put the effort into nullifying gangs.

Once again for those idiots like you who don't listen - the person's location is provided by the Internet server they happen to be using at the time. It does not always mean that is where they live. Furthermore, people like me are temporarily living much further away but still consider the LA area home and what happens there still affects us.

Geez, people, get off the who lives where crap and stay on the subject! You are only showing what kind of a moron you are.

Valley Glenn wrote:

There's an airport near my house? Wow. These planes have to land somewhere so this "plan" will just push one community's problem onto another - will it be Van Nuys, LAX, Ontario? Or will we just lose the flights entirely along with the jobs, commerce and goods that are on them?

Can't be Van Nuys - I think they already got it stopped. I could be Ontario but the area is growing somone who just moved in will complain. Heck, just send the planes to LAX. They just fly over Watts and no one cares about "those people". Oh wait, the planes from the west and northwest have to fly over Santa Monica and Beverly Hills and we can't increase that traffic.

Why don't we just roll up the sidewalks and close everything at 9:00PM like we used to in the olden days? Ah the good old horse and buggy days when the odor wasn't exhaust, it was horsesheet - just like the complainers about night fying.

I agree with this editorial and would add that Valley residents, and beyond, could do with a little less AIR POLLUTION as well as noise pollution from this airport.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people come before commerce. The federal government doesn't mind taking over health care and dictating what people do with their bodies -- and enacting Cap-n-Trade to curb supposed Global Warming -- but it refuses to give Valley residents some respite from this airport? Unacceptable. Those Burbank people aren't demanding that the airport be closed ... just that they have some hours to sleep at night. Those flights were supposed to give them that on a voluntary basis, but a few inconsiderate and greedy carriers decided that they are more important than a few hundred thousand people.

And I don't care about the NIMBY accusations. Everyone is a NIMBY when it comes to their own quality of life. One person's activist is another's NIMBY. Everybody wants to protect their home in some way: limiting airport noise, pollution and danger; opposing homeless shelters near residential neighborhoods and community parks and schools; limiting noise from freeways with expensive sound walls that are magnets for graffiti; limiting commercial growth near neighborhoods; limiting multi-family homes near single family neighborhoods; restricting signage; restricting truck traffic; restricting parking on public streets; curbing gang warfare near homes; closing landfills; closing rock quarries; decreasing fire hazards; limiting speeding cars with signs, speed limits, and speed bumps; and opposing freeways, commercial streets, apartments, airports, massage parlors, strip joints, landfills, animal shelters, quarries, electric sub-stations, fire stations, homeless shelters, power plants, electric power lines, railroad lines, fire stations, and sewage treatment plants
near their homes.

Everyone should keep that in mind before criticizing those who protect their neighborhood investments and quality of life.

Burbank Airport has been there for what 80 years now? If you do not want Airplane noise do not live next to an airport. Crazy idea there huh.

Sean from Woodland Hills wrote:

Burbank Airport has been there for what 80 years now? If you do not want Airplane noise do not live next to an airport. Crazy idea there huh.

So I guess you won't be asking for FEMA assistance if you need it after an earthquake, and have never asked for it since you choose to live in earthquake country and quakes were here before you?

I live a couple of miles from the Van Nuys airport, and there are often flagrant violations of the curfew that's already in place. Private planes aren't supposed to take off or land after 10 PM, but I hear them in the middle of the night. They clearly aren't planes used for commercial purposes - Lear jets and small Piper planes aren't use for cargo. Why do they still fly? Because the police will only enforce the rules if you complain, and even then you have to have a bunch of proof, videos, audio, and the like. So even if they enact the ban, who is going to enforce it?

Speaking of the police, raise your hand if you've been blown out of your bed by LAPD helicopters circling near your neighborhood. Even a worse problem than planes! And from what I understand, most of the time it isn't necessary; the copters are only there to back routine traffic stops. Don't get me started about the fire department copters buzzing the neighborhood when there isn't a fire!

The airport predated most of the people now living in the valley. It's not like it sprung up overnight. If people didn't want to live over a flight pattern, they shouldn't have moved there. Another case of self-serving NIMBYism.

Jim wrote:

The airport predated most of the people now living in the valley. It's not like it sprung up overnight. If people didn't want to live over a flight pattern, they shouldn't have moved there. Another case of self-serving NIMBYism.

Oh shut up, you sound like a broken record. Where do you live and what nuisance do you live near? BTW, there were people in the Valley before the airport. So, by your logic, the airport must be closed -- not just cease nighttime operations.

Bureaucratic Mess wrote:

And I don't care about the NIMBY accusations. Everyone is a NIMBY when it comes to their own quality of life. One person's activist is another's NIMBY. Everybody wants to protect their home in some way: limiting airport noise, pollution and danger; opposing homeless shelters near residential neighborhoods and community parks and schools; limiting noise from freeways with expensive sound walls that are magnets for graffiti; limiting commercial growth near neighborhoods; limiting multi-family homes near single family neighborhoods; restricting signage; restricting truck traffic; restricting parking on public streets; curbing gang warfare near homes; closing landfills; closing rock quarries; decreasing fire hazards; limiting speeding cars with signs, speed limits, and speed bumps; and opposing freeways, commercial streets, apartments, airports, massage parlors, strip joints, landfills, animal shelters, quarries, electric sub-stations, fire stations, homeless shelters, power plants, electric power lines, railroad lines, fire stations, and sewage treatment plants near their homes.

In other words, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!

kma wrote:

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In other words, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!

Expectations of a residential airport to cease air and noise pollution during a few nighttime hours is hardly a demand for welfare.

Hats off to the FAA. I have nothing to do with Bob Hope Airport or anything connected to it. My only contact is maybe flying from there every year or so.

I have lived near the takeoff pattern over Valhalla for more than thirty years. I knew the airport was there when I chose to live in my nice neighborhood. How many airport-haters moved in AFTER the airport was built and now complain, complain, complain.

At the time we moved here, the jets were Stage 2 and made so much noise it was impossible to hear anything else when they took off. But we put up with it because we knew it would only last a few seconds, and we like our neighborhood.

A number of years ago, we were awakened by regular flights of that huge transport plane taking off very low and slow, heading for Tonopah or somewhere in Nevada, carrying elements of the stealth fighter. We didn't complain because we had heard it had something to do with our nation's defense.

We don't complain now because we know overnight flights have a reason and we are right back to sleep. Nobody takes off in the middle of the night for the fun of it.

I know it troubles the non-stop complainers and whiners that the airport has been there for a long, long time and it means a lot to commerce.

Put the pillow over your head and go back to sleep.

Now, the police helicopters. That's another thing. I especially love it when they orbit 100 feet above our homes, shining their spotlight in our bedrooms. They keep it up for a half hour at three am.

I have a digital scanner, and I turn it on when they arrive. The cause of the harassment of the neighborhood is almost always of little or no significance. And 99 percent of the time, the exercise ends up with no benefit.

In the case of a major crime, go for it. But when some clown breaks into car or runs from the cops at 3 am, let it go. No big deal, and not too many people really care. And by the time they set up their perimeter, the bad guy is almost always gone.

One more thing. Why do we always see 20 cops standing around, doing nothing, when something happens? I'm sure they come up with an excuse, but that many patrol officers yakking with their buddies while the investigators do the work is a waste of (over?) time and our money.

I respect the LAPD and its dedicated staff, sworn or otherwise. But I hope the new chief remembers there is still a lot of work to do.

Hey Toluca Lake Observer: you chose to live in crime-ridden Toluca Lake LA. that's why the police choppers are hovering over your house every night. put your pillow over your head and go back to sleep!!!

Bureaucratic Mess wrote:

Hey Toluca Lake Observer: you chose to live in crime-ridden Toluca Lake LA. that's why the police choppers are hovering over your house every night. put your pillow over your head and go back to sleep!!!

If you are so clueless that you see Toluca Lake as crime ridden, you haven't left your house in fifty years. Do you even know where it is? Clearly not. It is one of the most affluent, crime-free areas of the city.(Give a call to North Hollywood station if you need facts--which seemingly don't matter to you.) Know before your spout.

Toluca Lake Observer wrote:

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If you are so clueless that you see Toluca Lake as crime ridden, you haven't left your house in fifty years. Do you even know where it is? Clearly not. It is one of the most affluent, crime-free areas of the city.(Give a call to North Hollywood station if you need facts--which seemingly don't matter to you.) Know before your spout.

Then why are the choppers landing on your roof? LMAO Hey, follow your own stupid advice, fool ... put that pillow over your big head.

Bureaucratic Mess wrote:

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Then why are the choppers landing on your roof? LMAO Hey, follow your own stupid advice, fool ... put that pillow over your big head.

Learn before you hit the keyboard. Nothing in your blather answers my post.

I again ask, do you have any idea what or where Toluca Lake is? Still waiting for my answer.

Ever hear of the 134 freeway? It bisects Toluca Lake. You are totally clueless. You can find all about the 134 if you look at a map, although I doubt from your inane comments that would know how to read one.

The pillow reference was to flights from Bob Hope. Their sounds are brief.

Helicopters are not a momentary issue. Totally different.

And I still ask "What do you know about Toluca Lake?" Clearly, the answer is obvious: nothing!

I Love LA wrote:

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Learn before you hit the keyboard. Nothing in your blather answers my post.
I again ask, do you have any idea what or where Toluca Lake is? Still waiting for my answer.
Ever hear of the 134 freeway? It bisects Toluca Lake. You are totally clueless. You can find all about the 134 if you look at a map, although I doubt from your inane comments that would know how to read one.
The pillow reference was to flights from Bob Hope. Their sounds are brief.
Helicopters are not a momentary issue. Totally different.
And I still ask "What do you know about Toluca Lake?" Clearly, the answer is obvious: nothing!

Blather is what's oozing out of your clueless head. While you have no sympathy for Valley residents who suffer the air and noice pollution of Burbank Airport, you yourself whine about police doing their jobs. Your remedy for Valley residents hoping to get some relief just during a few nighttime hours was to "put pillows over your heads." I suggest you do the same thing when the 134 freeway traffic and the police choppers are doing their thing, fool. You chose to live in Toluca Lake when the 134 freeway was already there and crime already existed in Southern California. Too bad that you're such a hypocrite that you don't want to follow your own brainless advice.

Bureaucratic Mess wrote:

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Blather is what's oozing out of your clueless head. While you have no sympathy for Valley residents who suffer the air and noice pollution of Burbank Airport, you yourself whine about police doing their jobs. Your remedy for Valley residents hoping to get some relief just during a few nighttime hours was to "put pillows over your heads." I suggest you do the same thing when the 134 freeway traffic and the police choppers are doing their thing, fool. You chose to live in Toluca Lake when the 134 freeway was already there and crime already existed in Southern California. Too bad that you're such a hypocrite that you don't want to follow your own brainless advice.

You sound like someone on the taxpayer's dole, lapping at our largesse with your overblown salary for a lot of playing army and standing around.