Cheney wanted cuts in climate testimony

tina anne wrote:

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Try telling that to Nixon.

Still uncommitted wrote:

<quoted text>I still can't find anything wrong with Bush.

KmC wrote:

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That you could even try to compare Nixon's crimes to Clinton/Gore is ABSOLUTE proof that you are justifiably crazy.
...so stop calling yourself an independant you silly little girl.

tina anne wrote:

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What the matter little boy, women who can think for themselves scare you. As someone who is old enought to remeber watching Watergate on the news I can tell you the only difference is in how it was reported. Clinton, was caught and should of gone to trial. Nixon should of stayed and fought it out.
Gore no matter how you slice it isn't crazy but is a power hungry little liar.
As for the current two it is enought to make me wish that Kerry had waited til this cycle to run.

name not important wrote:

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Your argument about Clinton/Nixon's impeachments being different only by the reporting is very flawed.
Clinton's impeachment DID go to the House and Senate, where the House voted to impeach and the Senate voted to acquit (it takes both chambers to remove the President).
Nixon's did not go because he (moreover his advisors) knew he was not only going to lose, he was going to lose bad. The resignation allowed him to save face, and allowed him to continue to be somewhat of a public figure. Like his famous "peace with dignity" he got "retirement with dignity", which he did not deserve. He got to tend to his library when he should have been tending to roomates wanting to sodomize him (yes, I know, he probably would have gotten a country club min security place but I can fantasize).
Both of these cases were vigorously reported on after they gained momentum, I don't agree with you at all that Nixon's was "the same". Nixon committed many acts of illegal behavior that were far more harmful than Clintons' sex escapades, actually the lieing to the grand jury about such, IMHO.
Also, IMHO, that Clinton was tried and Nixon was not is the biggest sin. Nixon should have gone to jail, and perhaps been executed for treasonous activities, along with his henchmen Liddy, Haldeman, etc. Yes, in my eyes rigging the election is a treasonous activity, by itself.
However, most R's believe that Nixon was great, discovered China (it is rather large on a map, I don't know how it was previously missed), bombed the crap out of Vietman and neighbors, took us off the gold standard, did lots of really "great" stuff and then they have the nerve to say Clinton was bad because he essentially lied about his infidelity, which anyone who watched 60 Minutes knew was not exactly new news about his character.
And for those R fans that will jump on me, I don't think Clinton deserved a happy rest home afterwards either; he should have also resigned, and if a trial convicted him jail (same country club probably). Al Gore would still be President and the world would be a lot better off.
I do want a better kind of person in the office than Clinton, Nixon, or W. In the old days this country demanded it.

oblivious to reason wrote:

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Yes, and I believe in Mr. Cheney also.
For those reasons I'm voting Republican and for Senator John McCain.
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

baldy wrote:

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Excellent analysis.
As a Republican, I was very upset with Nixon's behavior.
My only trouble with the Democrats on Clinton was their unwillingness to acknowledge the crime, whereas the Republicans in Nixon's case understood right from wrong. That does not seem to be the case with either party any more.

itiswhatitis wrote:

when will this guy do the planet and this country a favor by having his worn out empty heart stop beating?

itiswhatitis wrote:

when will this guy do the planet and this country a favor by having his worn out empty heart stop beating?

itiswhatitis wrote:

when will this guy do the planet and this country a favor by having his worn out empty heart stop beating?

baldy wrote:

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Excellent analysis.
As a Republican, I was very upset with Nixon's behavior.
My only trouble with the Democrats on Clinton was their unwillingness to acknowledge the crime, whereas the Republicans in Nixon's case understood right from wrong. That does not seem to be the case with either party any more.

name not important wrote:

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thank you for the nice words, way too few of them in these forums....I agree with you totally, and I am on the other side of the fence as a life long Dem....Clinton broke laws, should have resigned. Nixon broke laws and did resign.
Both parties have taken a bunker mentality where the only thing that matters to them is to deny victory to the other side. This includes denial of anything they might have done. It really is detrimental to the country, and is not the system our forefathers invented. We never fix anything, never make any progress. Major problems we face, social sec, medicare, Iraq, terrorism, economy all drift under the lack of clear and decisive direction. Plenty of fingers to point.
Cheney's role in climate testimony is a perfect example. Why exactly is the VP of the US even involved?

itiswhatitis wrote:

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you are both nuts. Take a long unbiased look at the major issues this country and this planet are facing-not just environmental either. What is happening around you I can be traced back to this corrupt and almost dictator like administration. All paths(and all cash in most cases) all point to your little Texan and his boys. I respect John M. as a veteran and as a long time servant to the public. However, my faith in the Republican party has been piddled away to nothing.

name not important wrote:

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Your argument about Clinton/Nixon's impeachments being different only by the reporting is very flawed.
Clinton's impeachment DID go to the House and Senate, where the House voted to impeach and the Senate voted to acquit (it takes both chambers to remove the President).
Nixon's did not go because he (moreover his advisors) knew he was not only going to lose, he was going to lose bad. The resignation allowed him to save face, and allowed him to continue to be somewhat of a public figure. Like his famous "peace with dignity" he got "retirement with dignity", which he did not deserve. He got to tend to his library when he should have been tending to roomates wanting to sodomize him (yes, I know, he probably would have gotten a country club min security place but I can fantasize).
Both of these cases were vigorously reported on after they gained momentum, I don't agree with you at all that Nixon's was "the same". Nixon committed many acts of illegal behavior that were far more harmful than Clintons' sex escapades, actually the lieing to the grand jury about such, IMHO.
Also, IMHO, that Clinton was tried and Nixon was not is the biggest sin. Nixon should have gone to jail, and perhaps been executed for treasonous activities, along with his henchmen Liddy, Haldeman, etc. Yes, in my eyes rigging the election is a treasonous activity, by itself.
However, most R's believe that Nixon was great, discovered China (it is rather large on a map, I don't know how it was previously missed), bombed the crap out of Vietman and neighbors, took us off the gold standard, did lots of really "great" stuff and then they have the nerve to say Clinton was bad because he essentially lied about his infidelity, which anyone who watched 60 Minutes knew was not exactly new news about his character.
And for those R fans that will jump on me, I don't think Clinton deserved a happy rest home afterwards either; he should have also resigned, and if a trial convicted him jail (same country club probably). Al Gore would still be President and the world would be a lot better off.
I do want a better kind of person in the office than Clinton, Nixon, or W. In the old days this country demanded it.

KmC wrote:

Tina, Tina, Tina, namenotimportant was telling you that your reasoning was "flawed" and then you go and agree with him.
What is it with you?
I still think you might secretly be in love with bc.
Nixon was a LIAR with capital letters, BC was a liar with small letters - is that remedial enough for you?
Sheeesh