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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Are compact fluorescent bulbs still a bright idea?

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Chris

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#22
Jul 14, 2008
 
Amessica wrote:
It's a scam. There is NOTHING wrong with that 99c 4-pack of basic light bulbs. The greedies just want to bilk us out of even more money. I am stocking up on these cheap bulbs so I will have plenty for a long time! hee hee
Yeah, there is nothing wrong with being dumb and uneducated.
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Westmont, IL

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#23
Jul 14, 2008
 
BCD wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't see what is so green about a lightbuld that contains mercury, a poison. I really doubt people are gonna drive these to a special recycling center and pay a $1/bulb to throw them away. 99.9% are gonna get thrown in the trash. Plus, flourescents still throw a weird light that makes everything look like crap.
Instead of eating less to lose weight, people in this county try to find ways to eat more (fat free, reduced carb, etc.)
Instead of reducing consumption and packaging to help the environment, we try to find better ways to throw all the crap away we buy (recycling).
Yep!! We need a better way to recycle. DuPage County does not have a better way. I finally decided to get rid of some fluorescent bulbs, tubes and circular, by taking them to a county recycling center. So, to get rid of 8 or 8 bulbs, I drove 16 miles to the 1 and only recycling center in DuPage County. That is 32 miles round trip and unfortunately, my car, just over 2 gallons of gas. At the center, I sat in line for 25 minutes to get to the drop off station. You are not allowed to get out of your car. Others take the recyclables out of the car for you. Of course, during that 25 minutes in line, the car was burning fuel. Everytime I thought about turning off the engine, the line would move so I ended up leaving the engine on. So, I probably wasted about 3 gallons of gas to get rid of a few bulbs. Getting rid of tehse bulbs cost over $12 in fuel, let alone wear and tear on my car and me. Oh yeah...when I finally got to the front of the line, I got chewed out for duct taping the bulbs together. I taped them together over the years so they would stay in one bunch in my junk corner in the basement. I think from now on, unless DuPage makes recycling more palatable, I may "accidentally misplace" the bulbs in the trash.

I actually think that any place that sells anything that is considered hazardous or must be recycled, should be required to accept at not charge the same items for disposal. But, that will never happen. Out politicians are gutless cretins who would never upset businesses by making them do this.
cscs7

New York, NY

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#24
Jul 14, 2008
 
rawdibob wrote:
Compact Flourscent Lights - just another Liberal bad idea
But no where as harmful as welfare or restorative justice.
Which in turn, are no where as harmful as bloated, no-bid govt. contracts (which are "paid" for w/ Chinese credit) and deregulation gone wild (which has led us to Enron and the current sub-prime fiasco).
Gregg

Lincolnshire, IL

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#25
Jul 14, 2008
 
I made my living marketing this product over 18 years ago. The product has had issues but they continue to improve with each passing year. I have been out of the business for over a decade but still believe strongly in the benefit on a variety of levels. However, I object strenuously to legislation that is going to insist that i use nothing but CFL's. I think the nanny state approach is a bad one. Let the market decide.
Kim

Chicago, IL

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#26
Jul 14, 2008
 
I think it is ridiculous that this article does not give specific recycling information about this product such as a place to drop them off or mail them to. I would love some local recycling information on them.
Engineer

Paoli, IN

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#27
Jul 15, 2008
 
The comment on color temperature is not entirely accurate. Recent studies Lower temperature (warm) may be a good idea in a bedroom, but the cooler high temperature ratings (4000 and higher) are closer to natural sunlight which has many benefits. Office designs are now shifting to these higher color temperatures due to increase productivity and alertness.
Dave Y

Mundelein, IL

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#29
Jul 15, 2008
 
Agreed, good response Mike.
Mike wrote:
First, it would do the writer of this story well to read up on recycling CFL bulbs before sending a story like this off for publishing. A simple Google search asking how or where to recycle CFL bulbs would reveal to you that there is in fact a great way to recycle CFL bulbs at Home Depot. And since you're in the news business, and this has been in the news (happened a few weeks ago -- somehow the NY Times managed to find this out and report on it) you should have known.
It's extremely misleading to say, "However, there aren't many recycling centers available. At some county hazardous waste collection sites you have to pay about $1 per bulb to recycle CFLs," when in fact, there are around a thousand Home Depot Stores nationwide that will accept CFL bulbs for recycling for free.
The omission basically renders the writer's statements that there are not many recycling centers available and that it is as costly as $1 each, when Home Depot is offering this for free at all of its stores completely false.
Where were you and your editors on this? You have probably hundreds of blogs out there covering this story, and the Tribune can't get its facts straight? If you're going to write about the environment and deride a method of improving one's environmental impact, perhaps by using CFLs, you had better read up on the news happening around you!
Another regrettable omission is that while CFLs can release toxic mercury over their life span, they reduce the amount of mercury that otherwise would have been spewed from coal-burning power plants because of the larger amount of electricity the incandescent bulbs that the CFLs replace would have demanded more coal being burned.
Furthermore, it's as if the writer has never tried CFLs and is writing about the very first ones put on the market many years ago. The current day CFL bulbs produce a much warmer light and sometimes have a second or two delay -- hardly enough time to make a bed. Let us not be sensational in our reporting, please -- I use CFLs throughout my home and the quality of light produced is hardly different from the incandescent bulbs I replaced. Please do your research before writing another such story.
If you did not know it, we're facing energy source shortages, energy price increases, and global warming -- if a reader had been considering purchasing CFLs and read your story, that's a shame, because you failed to give the whole story on the topic. You omitted details that rendered some of your "facts" false. Be ashamed for your low-quality reporting and do better next time -- people look to the Tribune for quality guidance on such issues, and in this case, your reporting is frankly irresponsible.
Dave Y

Mundelein, IL

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#30
Jul 15, 2008
 
I'll try to use small words here so you understand. CFL use less energy. Energy cost money. CFL save money. Money good. Amessica dumb.
Amessica wrote:
It's a scam. There is NOTHING wrong with that 99c 4-pack of basic light bulbs. The greedies just want to bilk us out of even more money. I am stocking up on these cheap bulbs so I will have plenty for a long time! hee hee
Anne

Chicago, IL

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#31
Jul 15, 2008
 
Every single one of these bulbs is made in China. More jobs lost thanks to the granola eaters.
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#32
Jul 15, 2008
 
I have to say I loathed these CFL's for all the reasons described above, but I got a couple of free ones and couple more for a buck. I learned to like them because my electric bill has really gone down since putting them in the spaces I have to leave lights on for a long time. I still won't put them in certain fixtures and definitely not in my bedroom.
Ray Morazza

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#33
Jul 15, 2008
 
Not to mention.... 100% of all of these bulbs are made in CHINA. See if you find one that says "made in USA". Not one of them is made in the USA. And, they contain MERCURY.....this is where global warming propaganda has gone too far.
rob

Chicago, IL

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#34
Jul 15, 2008
 
Amessica wrote:
It's a scam. There is NOTHING wrong with that 99c 4-pack of basic light bulbs. The greedies just want to bilk us out of even more money. I am stocking up on these cheap bulbs so I will have plenty for a long time! hee hee
I totally agree. Think about this, why would ComEd push us to use less electricity? So they can make less money? I don't think so, they are in the business to make money....If we comsume less electricity they don't have to upgrade their phyicall plants and spend money. So we all switch to CFL's, reduce demand, our bills go down for a while then ComEd will increase our rates to make up the lose and we are back to where we were before all this crap......then paying more for bulbs :)
Roland Buck

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#35
Jul 15, 2008
 
Mercury thermometers were banned because they were an environmental hazard. Now mercury based light bulbs are being promoted for environmental reasons even though they are an even worse environmental hazard than the termomemters ever were. This is stupid. Mercury based bulbs are too environmentally hazardous to use in residences and their use there should be banned.
Amy

Chicago, IL

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#36
Jul 15, 2008
 
I switched my outside bulb from an incandesccent to a CF and the bulb has lasted much longer. I used to go through 2-3 bulbs in a 6 month period, and with the CF I have used one since January. Plus my idiot homeowners association requires us to have the outdoor lights on from dusk to dawn so I switched out all the rest and am saving some money. Right now I honestly have to say that saving money is more important to me than saving the planet - I wish that were not the case but it is a sad fact today.
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Marshall, MI

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#37
Jul 15, 2008
 
I recycle my CFL twisties by painting them with a bright colored toxic paint, make a mobile out of them and hang it in my newborn babies crib. I love the planet that way.
jason

Niles, IL

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#38
Jul 15, 2008
 
Yes. All the bulbs are Made in China. All Proctor and Gamble body wash is made in Mexico also. Makes me sick. Anyhow. For the person who was mentioning Feit bulbs... they are sold at Menards and Walgreens to name a couple off hand.
Joe

Addison, IL

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#39
Jul 15, 2008
 
Mike wrote:
First, it would do the writer of this story well to read up on recycling CFL bulbs before sending a story like this off for publishing. A simple Google search asking how or where to recycle CFL bulbs would reveal to you that there is in fact a great way to recycle CFL bulbs at Home Depot. And since you're in the news business, and this has been in the news (happened a few weeks ago -- somehow the NY Times managed to find this out and report on it) you should have known.
It's extremely misleading to say, "However, there aren't many recycling centers available. At some county hazardous waste collection sites you have to pay about $1 per bulb to recycle CFLs," when in fact, there are around a thousand Home Depot Stores nationwide that will accept CFL bulbs for recycling for free.
The omission basically renders the writer's statements that there are not many recycling centers available and that it is as costly as $1 each, when Home Depot is offering this for free at all of its stores completely false.
Where were you and your editors on this? You have probably hundreds of blogs out there covering this story, and the Tribune can't get its facts straight? If you're going to write about the environment and deride a method of improving one's environmental impact, perhaps by using CFLs, you had better read up on the news happening around you!
Another regrettable omission is that while CFLs can release toxic mercury over their life span, they reduce the amount of mercury that otherwise would have been spewed from coal-burning power plants because of the larger amount of electricity the incandescent bulbs that the CFLs replace would have demanded more coal being burned.
Furthermore, it's as if the writer has never tried CFLs and is writing about the very first ones put on the market many years ago. The current day CFL bulbs produce a much warmer light and sometimes have a second or two delay -- hardly enough time to make a bed. Let us not be sensational in our reporting, please -- I use CFLs throughout my home and the quality of light produced is hardly different from the incandescent bulbs I replaced. Please do your research before writing another such story.
If you did not know it, we're facing energy source shortages, energy price increases, and global warming -- if a reader had been considering purchasing CFLs and read your story, that's a shame, because you failed to give the whole story on the topic. You omitted details that rendered some of your "facts" false. Be ashamed for your low-quality reporting and do better next time -- people look to the Tribune for quality guidance on such issues, and in this case, your reporting is frankly irresponsible.
Ditto
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#40
Jul 15, 2008
 
Just another effect of the Global Warming Hoax. What are we really paying, overall, to save a bit, and I do mean just a bit, of electricity? LCD is the cleaner, more efficient technology.
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Elkhart, IN

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#41
Jul 16, 2008
 
thanks chicago trib. for discouraging environmentally friendly practices because they're a little inconvenient. You know what? Recycling's a pain too. Let's just skip it and throw it all in the trash.

What "isn't so easy" about it? YOU TAKE THE OLD BULB OUT AND SCREW IN THE NEW ONE. The new bulbs use about 8-10 watts as opposed to 60-75-100-etc. Multiply that by every household in America and you probably have enough saved energy to run a small country. But no, it's too much of a pain.

and all this alarmist B.S.= "Warm-up time. CFLs can take more than a minute to achieve full brightness." Yes, and sometimes there's a lunar eclipse. The bulbs take maybe ONE SECOND longer to light up than regular bulbs and there is SOME light instantly. You don't have time to "make your bed". You make it sound like it's pitch black for ten minutes...disinformation like this discourages people from trying the new bulbs.

YES, THEY'RE HARDER TO RECYCLE, BUT EVEN IF YOU JUST THROW THEM OUT there are going to be millions less bulbs in landfills and untold amounts of energy (OIL) saved. If you're worried about disposing of them, keep them in a trash bag in your garage. Within a year or so they'll have more comprehensive recycling for them. PLUS, it's not like they break very easily. Because of their shape they are more resilient. I've been using them for three years and never broken one, in fact Ive never even seen or heard of one breaking.

ChiTrib, shame on you. you should know that articles like this encourage lazy Americans by the thousands to just buy the cheaper, easier bulb that is NOT a renewable solution.

Try being helpful.
Mike M

Arlington Heights, IL

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#42
Jul 16, 2008
 
Check out the link to youtube to hear what was said in congress about this light bulb scam

http://youtube.com/watch...
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