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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

EPA Chief Warned White House On Global Warming, Senator Says

Barbara Boxer , D-Calif., said Thursday after she reviewed the EPA finding, which has not been made public.

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dmac

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Anyone actually keeping up on the true science of global warming with out a political axe to grind, knows that man made warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind. We will soon be taxed on the air we exhale. This is nothing more than the government using hyped junk science to find more tax money. The laws of physics regarding the heat storage capacity of CO2 just don't jive with what the alarmist are preaching. Imagine, the government is now telling us they can cool the earth by seizing more money.
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warmin...
Travis T OJustice

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Jul 25, 2008
 
Further proof that Globull warming is a political hoax, and Boxer is one of the warm-mongers.
Hunter

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Jul 25, 2008
 
I know who I would like to "lock away" Barbara Boxer and the rest of these fear mongering cultural marxists.
Zonker

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Ah yes, the ignorant are awake and in full denial mode!

"What Effect Do Greenhouse Gases Have on Climate Change?
In computer-based models, rising concentrations of greenhouse gases produce an increase in the average surface temperature of the Earth over time. Rising temperatures may, in turn, produce changes in precipitation patterns, storm severity, and sea level commonly referred to as “climate change.”

Assessments by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) suggest that the Earth’s climate has warmed between 0.6 and 0.9 degrees Celsius over the past century and that human activity affecting the atmosphere is “very likely” an important driving factor.1 The IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report (Summary for Policymakers) states,“Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.” It goes on to state,“The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing, and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone.”
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http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/brochures/gr...

As the evidence continues to mount, the ignorant step up the shrill attacks on the science.

You fools must be very disappointed. Both Presidential Candidates are climate change believers.

No matter who wins, gw action will be taken. LOL

Time for y'all to put on the tinfoil hats.
Tom

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Jul 25, 2008
 
"the agency's most important work in many years" in some email?? I smell a rat. If it was that important it would not just be some email. That simple.

How many people even begin to realize these people are talking about regulating and TAXING the air we breath?

What an absolute farce. Nothing has been proven but the gullible warming crowd is sure acting like it is. I am fed up with some guy's (or group of people's) opinions being held up as some kind of verified science. Consensus means they took a poll. It doesn't even begin to prove a thing other than people have opinions along with indicators what they are.

Forget the models and try looking at the observable facts. You might just see things like the fact we are actually cooling right now. Show me a single model that predicted that (and don't bother with the cooling just means we are warming slower logic - not going to fly).
dmac

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Zonker, I will not call you ignorant or a fool because I know you believe what the IPCC is telling you. I'm not trying to win anything, just doing my own independent research for the truth, with no agendas. I read your link. Did you even bother to look at mine? Or are you just sold on issues due to your political persuasions?
All scientific results must meet the basic laws of physics, no ifs, ands or buts. CO2 is not a a significant green house gas. The laws of physics prove it. The laws of physics trump human programmed computer models. Period.
Not Chicken Little

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Why doesn't the CO2 in the desert, which is at the same concentration as in the tropics, trap the heat at night? It can get up to 120 in the day but so cool at night you need a jacket. But in the tropics it stays warm at night, the temperature dropping perhaps only 10 degrees!

It's because CO2 is NOT an appreciable greenhouse gas - water vapor is much more important. The desert air is very dry - the tropical air is very humid. The humid air holds the heat - the dry air does not. Yet both have the same concentration of CO2.

But of course the Gullible Warming religion would just look stupid even to the True Believers if they tried to control people and take their money based on curtailing the amount of water vapor.

Abe Lincoln and P.T. Barnum were both right - you can fool some of the people all of the time, and there's a sucker born evey minute. Come to think of it, though, P.T. Barnum underestimated the frequency by at least an order of magnitude.
Jack

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Jul 25, 2008
 
Killing liberal maggots at the EPA, left wing judges and politicians should be a national sport, open season, no bag limit. Now that would solve a lot of Americas problems. Fifty million dead Democrat parasites would help as well, starting with San Francisco.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
I knew this had no basis in fact when I saw Barbara Boxer mentioned. BTW Anchorage, Alaska is on the way to setting a record for the coldest summer on record. You can tell the Libtards are getting confused between Globull Warming and Globull Cooling so now they just call it Climate Change because they can't believe their own climate models.
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You fools must be very disappointed. Both Presidential Candidates are climate change believers.
No matter who wins, gw action will be taken. LOL

Well OBVIOUSLY both presidential candiates say they believe in climate change because otherwise they would recieve a HUGE amount of critism and all the stupid global warming believers wouldn't vote for them. Global warming has become all about power..and the great global warming action they want to take will give them power over all our lives.

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Jul 28, 2008
 
It is astonishing that anyone can believe that the fear of global warming and the incredible propaganda foisted on us by the environmental lobby and by politicians who want more taxes for their favorite projects is actually true.
Somehow, people believe that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the source of all truth on this subject. This is hard to believe when you consider that the world has spent more than 40 billion dollars on researching man’s role in CO2 emissions -- and there not any evidence, none, that CO2 controls the climate. They actually say there is no other possible explanation, including the sun, or that there might be something they don’t know about.
The IPCC has developed many climate models which have all predicted the same thing – that increasing CO2 concentrations makes the world warmer. None of their models, I repeat, none have ever made a correct prediction, and none predicted the stop of warming in 1998, and the subsequent cooling. Yet, the IPCC politicians say we should use the long range predictions of the models, even though the short range predictions are all wrong. Now, how can anyone believe this?
Now, evidently making incorrect predictions is not a problem for the true believers in the press and does not register with the public at all. We have even more predictions like this based on false information, and now the Government is telling us that the US voluntary approach to CO2 reductions is inadequate and we should adopt controls like the rest of world. The Kyoto Protocols are accepted by 170 countries, but only 37 countries are required to reduce the CO2 emissions by 7% to 8%. This has been very costly, has raised electricity and other energy prices, and, since 2005, the average Kyoto Protocol compliant country’s CO2 emissions have increased by double digits. America’s volunteer approach has kept the growth in single digits. So, now some Government bureaucrat has his numbers wrong, and he wants to replace a system which works with one which does not work. This is either rank stupidity, or politics winning against science.
Most climate scientists believe that the climate is mostly controlled by the sun, and is made predictable by counting sunspots which are highly correlated with the sun’s energy emissions. Galileo make drawings before 1610 of sunspots, and the classic climate prediction theory has worked since then, and it did predict the cooling trend since 1998.
So, we have a group using a theory which does not work, telling us to spend trillions of dollars on a solution which cannot not work, to solve a problem which does not even exist! Never have so many been duped by so few to get so much money for absolutely nothing.
We are listening to con men that can’t get their facts straight and tell such whopping lies that everyone believes it.
Vote for Ralph Vajrapani

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Jul 28, 2008
 
To fix the economy the gov't simply declares "all debt is forgiven" for all AMERICAN CITIZENS, everybody with mortgages, they are forgiven and you now declare a single primary residence free and clear. Any other vacant land or dwellings are surrendered to the government for allocation to families that have none, free and clear. And to be rented by others at a fixed rate of 1 Eagle per square foot per month.

The government then declares all dollars as worthless and prints a new currency, "the Eagle", gives everyone a bank account and like monopoly every American Citizen ONLY starts with the same amount. In this case $100,000 Eagles. Children's money is untouchable accept for educational purposes and at the age of 25 any surplus vests to the child. If the child perishes before then it goes back to the government. The price of food staples is fixed. A gallon of milk or pound of cheese or 92% hamburger 1 Eagle, a dozen eggs or loaf of bread 1 Talon (1/4 of an Eagle)

All the surplus Eagles that everyone has will be their's to spend as they choose, thus making everyone awash in real money again. This will make an environment where everybody can by goods. A 300% tariff is put on any import items. An employer outsourcing to a person not on American soil is penalized 100% of moneys paid there. e.g.If they pay such person 2 Eagle's an hour, they are also taxed 2 Eagles an hour.This will force business to hire American Citizens and bring their manufacturing back onshore. If you are not a citizen, you can stay if you like, but you can not work until the unemployment is below 2% in that community. The government then forgives all debt between businesses and corporations and says to all national powers we owe, sorry you're not getting paid, you gotta problem with that well we'll fight you if you want, but you won't win.

All we have to do is hit the RESET button. Sounds crazy but it will work if everyone demands it. Only the rich will not like it. Lot's more of us then them. Spread the word and repost this everywhere if you agree. That's what a grassroots movement is all about.

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Vote for Ralph Vajrapani wrote:
To fix the economy the gov't simply declares "all debt is forgiven" for all AMERICAN CITIZENS, everybody with mortgages, they are forgiven and you now declare a single primary residence free and clear. Any other vacant land or dwellings are surrendered to the government for allocation to families that have none, free and clear. And to be rented by others at a fixed rate of 1 Eagle per square foot per month.
The government then declares all dollars as worthless and prints a new currency, "the Eagle", gives everyone a bank account and like monopoly every American Citizen ONLY starts with the same amount. In this case $100,000 Eagles. Children's money is untouchable accept for educational purposes and at the age of 25 any surplus vests to the child. If the child perishes before then it goes back to the government. The price of food staples is fixed. A gallon of milk or pound of cheese or 92% hamburger 1 Eagle, a dozen eggs or loaf of bread 1 Talon (1/4 of an Eagle)
All the surplus Eagles that everyone has will be their's to spend as they choose, thus making everyone awash in real money again. This will make an environment where everybody can by goods. A 300% tariff is put on any import items. An employer outsourcing to a person not on American soil is penalized 100% of moneys paid there. e.g.If they pay such person 2 Eagle's an hour, they are also taxed 2 Eagles an hour.This will force business to hire American Citizens and bring their manufacturing back onshore. If you are not a citizen, you can stay if you like, but you can not work until the unemployment is below 2% in that community. The government then forgives all debt between businesses and corporations and says to all national powers we owe, sorry you're not getting paid, you gotta problem with that well we'll fight you if you want, but you won't win.
All we have to do is hit the RESET button. Sounds crazy but it will work if everyone demands it. Only the rich will not like it. Lot's more of us then them. Spread the word and repost this everywhere if you agree. That's what a grassroots movement is all about.
Proving once again that the entire global warming issue and climate change are all political, not science. Think of it being a libreal’s wet dream and their version of the WMD’s lie.
Travis T OJustice

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Vote for Ralph Vajrapani wrote:
To fix the economy the gov't simply declares "all debt is forgiven" for all AMERICAN CITIZENS, everybody with mortgages, they are forgiven and you now declare a single primary residence free and clear. Any other vacant land or dwellings are surrendered to the government for allocation to families that have none, free and clear. And to be rented by others at a fixed rate of 1 Eagle per square foot per month.
The government then declares all dollars as worthless and prints a new currency, "the Eagle", gives everyone a bank account and like monopoly every American Citizen ONLY starts with the same amount. In this case $100,000 Eagles. Children's money is untouchable accept for educational purposes and at the age of 25 any surplus vests to the child. If the child perishes before then it goes back to the government. The price of food staples is fixed. A gallon of milk or pound of cheese or 92% hamburger 1 Eagle, a dozen eggs or loaf of bread 1 Talon (1/4 of an Eagle)
All the surplus Eagles that everyone has will be their's to spend as they choose, thus making everyone awash in real money again. This will make an environment where everybody can by goods. A 300% tariff is put on any import items. An employer outsourcing to a person not on American soil is penalized 100% of moneys paid there. e.g.If they pay such person 2 Eagle's an hour, they are also taxed 2 Eagles an hour.This will force business to hire American Citizens and bring their manufacturing back onshore. If you are not a citizen, you can stay if you like, but you can not work until the unemployment is below 2% in that community. The government then forgives all debt between businesses and corporations and says to all national powers we owe, sorry you're not getting paid, you gotta problem with that well we'll fight you if you want, but you won't win.
All we have to do is hit the RESET button. Sounds crazy but it will work if everyone demands it. Only the rich will not like it. Lot's more of us then them. Spread the word and repost this everywhere if you agree. That's what a grassroots movement is all about.
A socialists wet dream, in type.

Holy carp!
Hal

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Just more Bush bs, as the totality of the rest of his administration has been.

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Hal wrote:
Just more Bush bs, as the totality of the rest of his administration has been.
Proving once again that the entire global warming issue and climate change are all political, not science. Think of it being a libreal’s wet dream and their version of the WMD’s lie.
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